IRAB bombing-WTF!-WW3?

[Banderxcv]

Just some days left and u will have your dead people Ace. Maybe u are lucky and there is some "colleteral damage" too for u to enjoy. (i guess on the weekend, when people dont have to work and can "watch" that spectacle on TV). So keep ur flag ready to wave.

[*DAMN Postal Worker]

Look guys, I think we should just drop this friggin threat.  It's obviously bringing out the worst in people here.  It's not helping your images.
Now, Im not one to single people out, but Bander, I had more respect for you before this even happened.  With your Anti-American statements and whatnot.  I mean, to a degree I see your point.  We do think of ourselves as the best nation because we have so much freedom (most we don't know about until we see others repressed on the evening news) but yet, we have a pride in our country, which is obvious, and when someone calls us out, we're right there ready to back everything we stand for.  
In some other threads I heard people comparing the US to Hitler and all...and then it went back to the fact that Hitler was an Austrian...Ect ect.  Well, the US isn't innocent...so don't go blaming Hiter on Austria guys.  Remember what we did to the Native Americans?  Yes, they were our "jews".  We took land from Mexicans, we were gurrilla fighters durring th Revolutionary War.  Acts of terrorism against the British were an everyday thing.  We have a checkered past just like all other countries.  Some things we aren't proud of...and yet, some we are.  
This isn't they type of thing I'd like to see in the threads.  Now I know you all love your countries...and dislike some...but don't go stating it to everyone.  Bander, you can't get Ace to change his mind of his view of the US.  And Ace...*sigh*...apparently you can't get Bander to see your point (which is sad).  
So c'mon you guys...no more arguing about this shit, ok?  I know I sound like a priss, but sheesh...this is terrorism we're talking about.  There's a form of it in EVERY nation.  Yes, even in America.  So Bander, don't think we're intentionally going after your Aunt or Grandma's house or whoever it was.  Terrorists are our target...not your family.  And no...nobodys putting a bomb though your front door.  

[*DAMN Bander]

Hey Postal  -

look, the way u wrote your post here is not offending like the others. u point out good  things but also are not ashamed to admit that there are not that good things also. while "others" here only see black/absolutely "Good" and white/absolutely "Evil". If someone is able to accept the "greyscales" also like u then its really cool to discuss to such a partner.

for excemple i DO know that darn hitler was a austrian too (if i would be an austrian "ace" i would answer maybe like this: in austria hitler wasnt even allowed at the arts academy and only the "evil" germans gave him the power afterwards. or i could rever to the "unfair" peace threaty in versailles and declare it was the social troubled times who let this happen - but this would be only blabla. its TRUE. and i have no problem to say yes we are still ashame for this shithead austrian - even those who wherent even born then.

i just dont need no statements about "collateral damage is necessary" from guys who sit in front of their macs all the time - who are moody enuff to add some "my nation peoples lives are more worth (2 to 1, to be exactly) than others. and when it came to national pride (best, best, best) then it was finally over with rational discussing about REAL ongoings out there.

and - i compared ace and his followers with those freaky nazis (when it came to nationalism and better-race shit) i did NOT mean  the U.S. nation (i extra marked it out also - but didnt work. ).

My mistake was to let me provocate to a stupid and dumb "good/bad" discussion with my ex-friends.
So when Grifter or the other 2 say they lost respect for me - i really dont care after i know how they are thinking about various issues. i also have my pride.  but when u say same thing it really hurts me. Congrats to my "enemies" - u managed it to divide me and postal.

Look to make it short: Most of our *DAMNs are americans (how comes? dont those others say i "hate" americans?) - ask our U.S. DAMNs if they still want me in *DAMN or not. if they dont need me anymore or dont respect me like before too - i will simply leave GR. i already feel somehow "outnumbered" there.

greets post

[Ace]

QUIT FUCKING MISQUOTING ME.

I said the lives of American SOLDIERS are more important the lives of SOLDIERS who fight for Bin Laden and/or the Taliban. I never said that the lives of Americans in general were more important than any other nation in general. I made a specific reference to the military. And yes, I still believe this, 2:1, 20:1, 200:1. If those people are despicable enough to fight for Bin Laden and/or the Taliban, they are worthless, terrorist pieces of shit in my opinion. Our boys are out there fighting to protect Americans.

QUIT FUCKING COMPARING ME TO HITLER

I never said we are a superior race or any bullshit like that. Yes, I said America is a superior nation to all others, but so what. I'm proud of my country. It's not like I said go kill every Afghan. In fact, I said that we should try to avoid killing innocent Afghans if at all possible. However, if we must go to war, there will most likely be a few civilian casualties. This is a fact of war. We shouldn't let the terrorists go unpunished because of this.

[Grifter]

Postal,
Couldn't agree with your last post more.  It's exactly what I tried to say in another thread.  When I brought up that Hitler was an Austrian, I was trying to make the point that it doesn't matter WHERE he came from... it's what he did.  I don't blame Austrians or Germans of today for what happened 60 years ago... I don't blame the American government for what happend to my ancestors (being 25% Cherokee) 150 years ago.  What matters is what we do about it today.

Ace, Bander isn't listening... you are wasting your breath.  He's taken some text out of context and wont let go.  He doesn't know anything about us, and he doesn't want to... I think it would hurt his self image.  Like I've said before, I don't agree with everything you say Ace, but at least you discuss it openly and intelligently.

Thanks PW, maybe we can get back to discussing things rationally now that someone else has said it.

[jn.blackhand]

Bander. Sigh. READ my last 50 posts. READ grift?s last 50 posts. READ Ace?s last 50 posts.

You're paraphrasing and taking things completely out of context. Christ. You're arguing points that haven?t even been disputed.

[Ace]

Good points GRIFT, especially about us not always agreeing. Since I'm discussing things intelligently apparently, I guess it's too much for a Scot like you to understand.

[Grifter]

Hah, just because your good American education let's you argue a point intelligently.... doesn't mean your blindingly pale irish ass is right.... hehe.

[*DAMN Postal Worker]

Bander,
  Now, pointing you out specifically wasn't my goal.  Know that.  I was just saying that well...ok, I pointed you out...sorry.  It's just the fact that yes, even people in the same clan (boy this is childish) can lose (some) respect from a leader, or collegue over matters like this.  Now...calling americans fat and dumb probably wasn't the best way to go about this.  Thats stereotyping.  Yea, sure we got some problems...but no country is perfect, let me assure you.  If there was a perfect country...we'd probably be speaking their languauge because they would have couquered us long ago...

Anyway, my point at talking about Bander just goes to show you even you can lose some respect in your friends.  Bander and I have been friends before I was even in *DAMN.  I mean, he was the one who got me in.  Of course I'm going to respect him more than others.  
When I first came on the GR sceen around Sept 00', I didn't know anyone...and I pretty quickly made enemies with then SEALs JohnNothing (big mistake)...but I made some friends...Macsrule, ViRuS Sniper, and Bander.  Thanks to all those guys........anyway, Im getting off the subject...what I really mean to say is thanks Bander, you helped me out alot...don't think I hate you, because that certainly isn't the case.  I'm just stating my feelings.  And no, we don't want you to leave the clan.  Thats silly.  If anyone should leave, I should.  I cause more problems than...well...I cause a lot of shit, lets leave it at that.  

Now, I think we should all make up.  I know we can't take back some of the things we said to eachother (even though the modify button    )  but just try to get along and no more country bashing.  Thats all I ask.  Lets just get back to the way things were...thats what everyone else in the world is doing...asside from CNN.

[SilentbutDeadly]

so, how about those attacks between Israel and Palistine..... if those fucks over there dont watch what the hell their doing while other war is happening in that general area, they could start a whole new fuckin conflict and fuck everything!

your opinions on these attacks and how they relate to the current world would be appreciated, I'd like to hear them ( except the dumb ones like "kill all those fuckin ragheads and them jews too   )      

[PsYcO aSsAsSiN]

Well SBD,

Those Palestinians are really fucked now. Arafat has lost control over the Palestinians and violence will be rampant again. HAMAS and the various Jihads are not helping the matter either. I think both sides were looking for a good blood-letting since neither was truly serious about peace in the first place (If they were, we wouldnt be in this situation). Basically, Israel calls the suicide bombings "terrorism" and the Palestinians call Israeli retaliation "murder." There will NEVER be peace between these two peoples so long as the holy city of Jerusalem stands on the face of this earth.

I have more to say, but I have to go right now...I will add more later.

[Ace]

I just find it funny how the US basically said "Go ahead and fuck those Palistineans up" to Sharon through Powell's comments.

[Bondo]

My opinion is that we build a big dome over all of the middle east and the balkans, all those places that can't help but have war. ?We let them go for it without the influence of outside powers. ?Then we check back in in 50 years and analyze what is left.  I don't really favor any side as I think they are all pathetic countries that cause their own problems.  None of the governments in those countries wants anything but to keep a firm grip and to continue depriving their citizens of freedom.

[Grifter]

Funny Bondo.... what countries really stay out of wars?

I mean, how many countries haven't been in a war in the last 100 years?  Last 200 years?  Last 300 years?  

War is an extension of polotics.  For good reasons or bad reasons, people can't always get along.  No country is imune... so you better be able to move that dome pretty fast.

The part that always gets me is the dumb shits that kill in the name of God.  I mean, it's just an excuse.. a false one... I find it so disappointing that there are so many dumbasses out there that believe God WANTS them to kill.  Such a waste.  I hope there is a special place in whatever hell they believe in for the people that convince others to kill in the name of God.

As for Palestine... has it even known peace?  That has to be the most fought over strip of land in known history (all the way back as far as the history books go).  I don't think there will ever really be peace there, as long as Jerusalem is controlled by any government.  It's a holy city for too many people.... it needs to be more like Disney World..... just have someone there to clean the place up and take care of it.... let everyone visit.  After all, everyone fighting over it wants to be there because it's sacred... why not just open it up for EVERYONE?  (I'm not blaming the Isrealies for this.. they are just the last in a long line of groups that have laid claim to Jerusalem).  But, damn, why fight over a place that everyone involved holds sacred..... can't we all just get along (ok, that was stupid).

[Ace]

OMG GRIFTER YOU ARE SO SMART. Why hasn't anyone else thought of that in the past 3000 years?



Personally, I think the Irish should kick out the Brits and take over Scotland while we are at it. Those lousy skirt wearing sheep fuckers don't deserve their own lands.

[Bondo]

First off, Ace, I'm 1/64th Scottish so lay off.  Secondly, I have the biggest problems with the big religious war that has been going on for thousands of years, I mean, Judism, Christianity and Islam are all partly the same religion.  They are all based on the old testament with various parts added.  I don't see why people get their panties in a bunch about it.  Here is my solution to all this...we all become Buddists

[Grifter]

One of the nice things about wearing skirts... er... kilts..... we scott's don't have panties to get all bunched up.

Ace, we know the real reason that you want the Irish to take over scottland... you want the sheep.  Well you can't have them, sorry.  I mean, better a Scottish sheep then an Irish ass...

[Destructo]

I'm a little leate in reading this post, and I know it's a bit late to comment now, but I am going to anyway...

I hafta say I agree with zak, it's now where we bomb it's what bomb we use...

How can u say that the US does not know who it is? They had constant threats and constant information about what goes on over there, not to mention that the Us has had many expireneces with this Al Kada terrorist net. I understand that the CIA gets tons of threats a day, and it's there judgement to take each one accordingly, but, with the most advanced intellegence in the world, i believe that they not only know who did it, but they know everyone involved.

The more the US let's things slip by and are always on the forgiving end of things, never to take action, the more of this shit is going ot happen...

Freedom is a privalege and a way of life, if they wanna fuck with that,I say send in the bombers and hit everything and everyone who even looks at u funny.

Excuse my latness and i am sorry if some of the things I said have been said already...i didn't get to read all 4 pages.

[Bondo]

Dest, agreeing with zak is a dangerous thing. ?Personally I think we need to stop our cultural imperialism and let people be as primitive as they want. ?It is their choice to accept our culture and it isn't our place to assume our culture is better. ?Then again, any place that demands women wear clothes should be questioned.

Actually Grift, I'm looking into getting a kilt in the MacClaine (sp?) tartan, that is the clan that my 1/64th comes from. ?I've definately got the build to be a scot. ?Now if only I could keep the others from snickering.

[SilentbutDeadly]

i'm 1/4  scottish so THERE.  I got a McClaren kilt, and I go to 2 scottish dinners in chicago a year.  sbd's fun fact:  did you know that sniping was almost invented if not greatly improved by the scots in  WW1? its true, a GHillie Suit is named after the scottish dance shoe called a Ghillie.   My dog is named after the shoe ( Ghillie) .  The scots made the first Ghillie suits to snipe in ww1 and called them ghillie suits because scottish warriors would do a dance on a sword before going into a battle to get pumped up and for good luck i guess.       <- scottish smiley