9 out of 10 French Agree....

[BTs_GhostSniper]

There was a new Opinion Poll conducted in France after the debate and 9 out of 10 French People said they would vote for Kerry if they could vote in the U.S. Presidential Elections.

Well, if that isn't a reason to vote for Bush, I don't know what is.  Might be okay if Kerry were running for President of France, but last I heard he is supposed to be running for President of the United States.  I thought that Kerry sounded too much like he was running for "President of the World" last night in the debates.  At least Bush will put AMERICA'S interests first.

Peace.

-GhostSniper Out.

[*DAMN Elandrion]

An interesting experiment: www.betavote.com

[Abe 2.0]

Right....
because America is on Mars, not earth, so the rest of the planet does'nt really concern us. I know it must be pretty difficult for you to comprehend, GS, but what happens elsewhere on the planet does end up affecting the US. I think even Pat Buchanan understands that.
And good golly, what a suprise.....the french don't like Bush? I could not be more suprised. I'd prefer making up my own mind about which candidate i prefer rather than voting in function of who the french like, but hey...i'm wierd like that. Face it, dude, Bush is going down in flames and the situation in Iraq isn't helping any more than him shitting all over himself last night. But then again, maybe you we're too busy comparing Bush and Kerry's attire too listen to what they had to say.

[BTs_GhostSniper]

An interesting experiment: www.betavote.com

Now go show that site to someone who isn't a liberal.  Because there is no way that 71% of Americans are voting for John Kerry.

[BFG]

I guess its just that the rest of the world sees through the mountains of Bullshit you are fed over there GS and we have a different view because of that...

Then again its not "just about america" The rest of the world cares (more so than some americans it appears) because we don't want some fucking texan idot fucking up the world even more than he has allready done so.

And what exactly is Bush going to do for america? And is it america that your concerned with our simply nothing more than the lining of your pocket?

[BTs_GhostSniper]

because we don't want some fucking texan idot fucking up the world even more than he has allready done so.

Now what do you have against Texas???

[BFG]

The place? Nothing. Im sure its a lovely place.

[seth]

hum...this thread starts looking as yesterday's debate. On one side, a lot of arguments, references to historiy, facts etcs... and on the other, just statements with nothing to back it up, and always the same words (lack of education maybe ?)

[BFG]

I think that is the perfect example of a xenophobic, ignorant and ultimatly doomed forgien policy which allowed millions of jews to be exterminated in the concentration camps of germany, millions of french, german and english soliders to die in the trenches of WWI, millions of rwandins to die of hunger. The point being, we cannot shut out of the rest of the world, and disregard their opinions, like it or not, they have as much of a stake in our country as we do, and we affect their lives enormously.

I just wanted to quote that brilliant post spike so it comes up again... and people read it again... and GS can ignore it as leftwing bullshit or whatever it is again

[BTs_GhostSniper]

My problem with the "rest of the world" is that they would like to have a President of the United States that is liberal, socialist, and will do THEIR bidding.  I say fuck that.  I want a President who will put the interests of the United States FIRST....not the interests of the socialist fucks in Europe.

Peace.

-GhostSniper Out.

(oh, and I have nothing against Europe...beautiful place, I've been there....I even married a girl from Austria--guess what?  She likes George Bush!)

[*DAMN Elandrion]

just remember, internet votes never are good statistics. They can be manipulated easily, and the participants aren't a representative cross section of the citizens.

Elan

[BTs_GhostSniper]

just remember, internet votes never are good statistics. They can be manipulated easily, and the participants aren't a representative cross section of the citizens.

Yeah, I noticed.  

[BFG]

What is wrong with Socialism exactly Ghostsniper? Hmm We are actually democratic countries over here btw, we do actually vote for the leaders of our countrys  -

Our bidding? Yeah we would like you to stop fucking up the world. fuck up your own country GS don't run around the fucking world with your gun ho political antics that have caused more problems and instability across the world than is imaginable.

We would like it if the United States had a President that could use his brain, that could look after the United states and its people, that didn't have this rediculouse idea that it is the "defender of democracy" and has the right to ignore the UN, and the rest of the world.

... well surely she would if she was prepared to live with you.

[Aramarth]

Some things I have come to realize while being involved with this "international community of gamers":

1. The world tends to see Americans as cowboys. They do not know what percentage of the people here are actually cowboys, but that is hardly relevant is the face of the fact that we have cowboys. This would be entirely irrelevant, but John Wayne displays an interesting set of values that most of the world finds distasteful. GS: texans = cowboys

2. Europe tends to tell themselves that conflicts, and most of them, can be resolved without force. It is as if Europe forgets its own past. They point to their armed forces, and shout at the U.S., look at how small our armies are, we can solve disputes without troops. They forget that the U.S. does their fighting for them now. Remember the Balkans? That was them unable to solve genocide happening in their back yard. The USA took care of it.

3. As the world's superpower, the rest of the world is profoundly influenced by our President. So sue them if they feel it affects their lives. Guess what, it does. I feel they should be less vocal about it, as we are the ones voting, but they aren't likely to shut up (who does, ever?)

4. Maybe that should be point four. No one ever shuts up. Never, in the history of the internet, has anyone chose to shut up when they are told to do so. It is unthinkable to actually act civilized and hold your tongue on the internet. People who come to mind: GS,  sar, Civic, eight, the list indeed goes on.

5. Merely one world war ago, it was europe who had outposts all over the globe, and the U.S. found this very unsettling. The roles are now reversed, and so are the feelings, naturally. I will leave my personal convictions out of this, but I believe that the world's most powerful nation is always, and was always in the past, destined to be destroyed. If the U.S. wants to avoid this, we need to make allies a priority. If we wish to continue on this course, which is very very similar to something I've read in a 2000 year old book, the U.S. is going to make the rest of the world hate it so much that it will also be destroyed. It is part of the plan.


I will stop now, seeing as I just remembered how useless typing anything in the gg actually is. That and if I don't eat soon, I will be taking geology lecture without anything in my stomach. Be thoughtful people, gut reactions are over-used and frankly not worth anyone's time sorting out.

[BFG]

1. The world tends to see Americans as cowboys. They do not know what percentage of the people here are actually cowboys, but that is hardly relevant is the face of the fact that we have cowboys. This would be entirely irrelevant, but John Wayne displays an interesting set of values that most of the world finds distasteful. GS: texans = cowboys

2. Europe tends to tell themselves that conflicts, and most of them, can be resolved without force. It is as if Europe forgets its own past. They point to their armed forces, and shout at the U.S., look at how small our armies are, we can solve disputes without troops. They forget that the U.S. does their fighting for them now. Remember the Balkans? That was them unable to solve genocide happening in their back yard. The USA took care of it.

Sometimes force is needed, Somtimes it is not. As to forgetting our past that has not and i doubt ever will. A overwhelming mass of force is not necessarily any better in any way than a smaller more compact but more able force. Yes Aramarth we remember the Balkans... Do you remember that it wasn't just US troops who fought there? ... And to simply say " the US took care of it" seems somwhat simplistic. Knowing when and when not to use force seems to be somthing that is simply to complex for the likes of Bush and many republicans to coprehend. The fact that your "gun ho" antics can acutally make the problem seem worse seems to be again somthing you just can't comprehend.

3. As the world's superpower, the rest of the world is profoundly influenced by our President. So sue them if they feel it affects their lives. Guess what, it does. I feel they should be less vocal about it, as we are the ones voting, but they aren't likely to shut up (who does, ever?)

It matters, like Aramarth said it matters a lot, the whole world is influenced by your president - so we care when you vote (well you didn't but he still got in) an complete idiot. Why be less vocal? we live in democracys where we talk and discuss what we care about - and right now the prospect of the world being damaged by George Bush having another term of office is on our minds.

5. Merely one world war ago, it was europe who had outposts all over the globe, and the U.S. found this very unsettling. The roles are now reversed, and so are the feelings, naturally. I will leave my personal convictions out of this, but I believe that the world's most powerful nation is always, and was always in the past, destined to be destroyed. If the U.S. wants to avoid this, we need to make allies a priority. If we wish to continue on this course, which is very very similar to something I've read in a 2000 year old book, the U.S. is going to make the rest of the world hate it so much that it will also be destroyed. It is part of the plan.

Um yes, as did the US - the Allies had Posts allover the world. - back then of course we got on a lot better, we had a common goal and worked together to achieve it.

[Aramarth]

Actually, we did not get along better. If another world war started today, it would not take the UK or the US several years to send troops. They would be mobilized in hours.

The US outposts of that era were mainly coaling stations. I can't defend the methods, because a lot of it wasn't right. Yet that is what we created bases for. Interesting fact: typically, when a colonizing nation leaves, the colony undergoes a civil war. This has not happened with our colonies so much as it has with UK holdings. Heaven forbid we put french numbers in the mix.

[*DAMN Bondo]

There was a new Opinion Poll conducted in France after the debate and 9 out of 10 French People said they would vote for Kerry if they could vote in the U.S. Presidential Elections.

Well, if that isn't a reason to vote for Bush, I don't know what is.  Might be okay if Kerry were running for President of France, but last I heard he is supposed to be running for President of the United States.  I thought that Kerry sounded too much like he was running for "President of the World" last night in the debates.  At least Bush will put AMERICA'S interests first.

Peace.

-GhostSniper Out.

This French bashing that you imply just makes you look ignorant and imperialistic. I have French ancestory on my dad's side and I resent the constant slights that Americans give to them. Do they not remember that France was a crucial ally in helping us become a free nation during the Revolutionary War? Just because France doesn't give in to anything our government wants, right or wrong, doesn't make them less our ally. A true ally is one that is quick to help you when you are right but warns you when you are wrong.

Anyway, the whole premise is wrong because Bush doesn't put America's interests first, he has made America less safe. Bush put's American corporate interests first.

[pink rat]

At least Bush will put AMERICA'S interests first.

cool but you're not alone

not the interests of the socialist fucks in Europe.

nice demonstration of tolerance for someone who wants to install democracy all over the world

I thought wars in afghanistan and in irak was for their interests , at least that's what bush was saying ... now you come up with

the interests of the United States FIRST

... do you mean USA have interests in irak ?

now just chill and and stop believing your bs polls ... how could they vote for someone they don't know ? all we know about the elections is related to irak , we don't know anything about the economic & social context in USA

[seth]

Bush put's American corporate interests first.

amen

[Maniac]

I see how this is. You would rather kerry turn america into Canada?! America comes first to Americans an then the rest of the world.