I was thinking...

[BFG]

Hahaha Im sorry GS but the Bible dosn't stand up shit compared to the Qur'an.

Read what bondo said again - It dosn't tell believers to kill non-believers any more than the bible does. Those terrorists who claim to be acting in the name of their religeon are doing the same as you - picking bits from the books that they want to live by/force others to live by etc.

[BTs_GhostSniper]

Hahaha Im sorry GS but the Bible dosn't stand up shit compared to the Qur'an.

Read what bondo said again - It dosn't tell believers to kill non-believers any more than the bible does. Those terrorists who claim to be acting in the name of their religeon are doing the same as you - picking bits from the books that they want to live by/force others to live by etc.

Actually, there is a passage in the Qur'an that tells believers to kill non-believers.  When I get home I'll find it for you.  Just as I have read the Bible cover to cover, I have also read the entire Qur'an.  And I'm sorry BFG, but that first part of your statement was just stupid.

[seth]

BUT, no where in the Bible does it tell believers to go out and kill non-believers, as the Qur'an does.  The things of which you speak were done by men who distorted and perverted the Word of God.

indeed, i am dreaming .

[Brutha]

Actually, Ive never heard that the qur'an tells its ppl to kill non believers, but i know that leaving the faith is suposed to be punished by death. As for you GS accepting your fait, and what YOU see as your destiny is great. Good to see you have found  the meaning of life. And I even respect you for it. What I dont like is that you are trying to "sell" your faith to us. Many of us here choose to believe, many of us dont. I for one dont. Im an atheist, and I know you think I will burn in hell. But let me tell you something about my "beliefs". I became an athist in 97. Had been doubting for a few years but I guess that was my wakening. You see, I looked out into the world and saw nothing but pain and misery, caused by war, famine and disease. And guess what, I find it hard to believe in a good god while seing this. Well, this is where believers say that "God gave us free will, and this is caused by the downfall of man caused by its free will. Which man used to do evil. Its Gods punishment to mankind". Well, if a god gave mankind free will, why the hell is its requirements for salvation belief? No matter how evil you are, as long as you in your dying moment accept god, it saves you. On the other hand, you can be mother theresa and do wonderful things for mankind, but it wont save you as long as you dont believe....what crap is that?? And lets look at the bible...both parts. In the old one, you have a vengful god, in the new one you have a forgiving god......lets look again. Old one, no son. New one, a son. Sooooo...god suddenly had a change of hearts when jesus was born? a son put a new perspective on things? You see GS, if there ever was a god, and the end of the world came about during my time, and I would have to stand before god and answer to what it would see as my crimes i would say this:  "I refuse to accept you as a father, you left man behind and did whatever you wanted. I refuse to give you the right to call me son, for there is no place here for you." But luckily, this will most likely not happen, for I dont believe there IS or ever WAS a god.(But, being a fan of David Hume, I cant prove anything 100%, but I must believe what my heart tells me).

Now, think of me what you like. I think of you as I like. I respect your beliefs. Now you respect mine.

[BTs_GhostSniper]

Now, think of me what you like. I think of you as I like. I respect your beliefs. Now you respect mine.

I do respect your beliefs.  I never said I didn't respect anyone's beliefs on here....I just don't always AGREE with them.

Peace.

-GhostSniper Out.

[Brutha]

Ah, then we agree...on having different views. Cheers for that.

[spike]

"We agree to disagree" god i hate that term.

[Brutha]

Nope, you see, we dont disagree. We really do respect eachothers opinions.....and yeah, I was trying to avoid the term "disagree"

[c| Lone-Wolf]

Spike, lets agree to disagree about that.  

[BTs_Mysterio]

Damn, if what GS believes is right, then hell might be over capacity when this generation dies.

[jn.loudnotes]

GS, I don't expect you to respond to every point anyone makes, I just take issue with your dismissing people's statements with an irrelevant biblical passage.  And what you just wrote about judgement day, etc. was almost verbatim to what I have heard others of your faith say.  Yet it doesn't answer the question.  Let's pick on specific example:

Does the Dalai Lama (the most holy, peaceful person I can think of) deserve an eternity in hell because he does not accept Jesus as his savior?  Why?

[BTs_Mysterio]

I think how near the election is (in relative terms to how long we have spoken of it) is just making GS a bit crazy. I mean if I was a republican and saw the election being this close again, I too would worry about Mr. Puppet going out before the US can declare war on say Syria, or N. Korea...

[BTs_GhostSniper]

Does the Dalai Lama (the most holy, peaceful person I can think of) deserve an eternity in hell because he does not accept Jesus as his savior?  Why?

I know it sounds harsh, but the Bible (which I believe in completely) clearly states that you can not get to heaven unless you ask Jesus to save you.  Here is a passage of scripture which explains this:

There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:  The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.  Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.  Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?  Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.  That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.  Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.  The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.  Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?  Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?  Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.  If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?  And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.  And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:  That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.  For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.  For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.  He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.  And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.  For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.  But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.  After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.  And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.  For John was not yet cast into prison.  Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying.  And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him.  John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.  Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him.  He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.  He must increase, but I must decrease.  He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.  And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.  He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.  For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.  The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.  He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.[/size]

John 3:1-36

[spike]

I'm sorry(and yes I did read the entire passage) but that is one of the largest problems I have had with christainity. It just doesn't make sense that millions of people in the world who do not subscirbe to christianity, and yet subscribe to perfectly legimate, reasonable and peaceful religons get screwed. Who is to say that we are right? Why aren't they right?

[BTs_GhostSniper]

I'm sorry(and yes I did read the entire passage) but that is one of the largest problems I have had with christainity. It just doesn't make sense that millions of people in the world who do not subscirbe to christianity, and yet subscribe to perfectly legimate, reasonable and peaceful religons get screwed. Who is to say that we are right? Why aren't they right?

Just comes down to faith my friend.  You can either believe in it, or dismiss it like millions, if not Billions, of people have done throughout history.  I am not going to condemn you for not believing, but someday God may.[/size]

[spike]

I'm planning on a quick deathbed repentence

[GhRa> Skipper]

Hey ghost, im Lutheran so i know just what ur talkin about, and it makes sense.  In fact all this fighting in the world now sorta seems to mean that tribulation is comin soon... who knows  

[BTs_Mysterio]

GS, this is just ignorance. You can believe what you want, and say what you want, but come on now, you can't seriously believe the billions of people with different cultures will all end up in hell because they don't believe in your religion? I just can't grasp your reasoning here. You can twist any words into whatever you want but seriously, it's a book as far as billions of people are concerned.

I wonder what the look on GS's face would be if he got rejected....

[BTs_GhostSniper]

I wonder what the look on GS's face would be if he got rejected....

Would probably look pretty sad.[/size]

[jn.loudnotes]

Okay, so now I see where you are coming from.  Now, I understand you believe in the Bible un-questioningly, but have you ever taken a moment to question whether this situation is just.

From a moral and ethical standpoint, is it right in your opinion that the Dalai Lama should go to hell?