A new rule perhaps?

[Brutha]

I just want to propose one rule here. After reading the posts on cO vs zt glitch issue I feel that something needs to be said.

In the little time I have spent here I see some ppl voicing their oppinion where it isnt needed. Some ppl that needs to be seen and heard. Well, go do it in GG, and not here. After reading the postings on the issue in question, I see no constructive info being brought to the discussuion. All I see are ppl that need to emphasise their own importance to this league. The admins are well equiped and probably suited for their job in the first place, so let it go. in issues involving two clans I believe the best course of action would be to only allow the leader(or person chosen by the clan to speak in their place) and admins to respond to that given thread. And that is the rulechange I propose. If you ppl like it, then go for it, if not...ignore it. But with the situation we have now, where everybody blame everybody for everything, we get unhappy players that are considering to leave the league. The mac gaming community isnt that big, in case you havent noticed.

One more thing, it seems that some ppl are out to "get" one admin here. Well, if you are so "displeased" with his efforts...start a petition and send it to Mauti himself, dont go around bithching on the forums, because that wont get you anywhere.

Brutha

[static]

I do agree that people should keep there noses out of issues that involve clans that they are members of.  But, lets keep in mind, that if a link is posted, it is human nature to look at the replays or screenies.  If the clans involved in the issue wish to have it kept in a closed forum maybe the link should not be posted.  If they wish to post links, then they should expect to have the community to reply in possitive or a negative way.  If some has info that may help a clan with an issue then they should contact the leader in GR and take it from there.  If admins wish the info to be come public they can post it in the forums for teh community to see.  That maybe a way of keeping some of the flame wars down between clans members.

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[Brutha]

Well, I agree with you there, static.  But sometimes what is said pisses me off. Ppl that dont have anything constructive to say about the situation should sit back and shut up, instead of worrying about the forum post counter. And blatant attempts of trying to start a flame war should be punished. Do you wish to argue, then do it like adults and talk about it in GR or something. Dont do it in a thread that tries to solve a situation. But I guess hoping for this is like believing in Santa.

[BTs_Mysterio]

Brutha the fact is people can't solve things on GR. That's just begging for them to have a screenshot fest of twisted text and lies. The sad truth behind it all Brutha but these are open for everyone to see and what is sad can't be gone back on.

[cO.Vickedson]

What are you guys so worried about?

This league needs all the action it can get.

We should encourage people to post on every-fuckin-thing they want..



imo, of course

[cO.gabe]

I share some of the concerns you do Brutha, but I don't think the way to solve the problem is by restricting the community from responding to a thread.  Posts with flames should be delt with by the forum moderators, but I think we need to learn to just ignore stupid and irrelevant comments.  Yeah, they can be agitating, but this is an open forum and the point of it is to let people openly express their opinions and concerns.  There are certain people who I think we have all learned to tune out to a certain degree, and I think this and forum moderation are the best solutions to the problem at hand.

If we don't like someone, we simply ignore them.  We don't kill them (I would hope).

[??z][t-VieiA..]

Perhaps a closed dropbox for BL admins only. Or a message being able to be read ONLY by BL admins and the involved clans.

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[BTs_Mysterio]

That would take some creative scripting. Do able but a real bitch. That also misses another problem of all the members of a clan lining up to post the same thing 10 times in a row just in a attempt to sway favour.

[Brutha]

I share some of the concerns you do Brutha, but I don't think the way to solve the problem is by restricting the community from responding to a thread.  Posts with flames should be delt with by the forum moderators, but I think we need to learn to just ignore stupid and irrelevant comments.  Yeah, they can be agitating, but this is an open forum and the point of it is to let people openly express their opinions and concerns.

Sorry for not being able to answer on this before now....summer stuff going on.

Well, yes, the rule change does not belong in the damn battle league rules(already discussed this with ara) but I thing the admins should take more care on what is being said on a thread like the one I described. Because if it only is flaming then it should be removed. Also I think postings that dont bring anything constructive to the issue should be removed.

But I do believe that ppl that cross this line should be warned and eventually receive a ban. this because it only brings irritation and in some cases the anger can only be held back so much. And then you respond back to these stupid remarks, which only further damages the cause. I do not care what is said in threads in GG, and frankly i do not care what is said in threads in here. But what I care about is what is said in threads concerning issues between two clans. That is where the problem is.

So wickedson, ppl should not be allowed to write what they want in every thread. This league does not need all the action it has gotten lately.

Brutha

[BTs_Mysterio]

I would support a rule in which the only ones allowed (monitored by admins distributing deletes/bans) to post in a clan issue would be 1 or 2 members of the clan previously designated to post under such circumstances. That would eliminated the whole clan coming in saying the same thing over and having their team spam and flame.

[Saberian 3000]

Yes  Mysterio, another decent idea comes frofm the bowels of mysertio world heh.  I agree with that issue.  Only two clan members from wach clan should be involved in the dispute at that time.  That would be interesting if that were to ever come around.  

As for Brutha's idea, the only reason that GR talking dosent solve the issue is because for one, we already tried that seasons ago and it created more issues then resolutions because of the serious flaming in GR.  Also that the issues seem to be more clearly expressed when written down in a letter style format.  That way people could express themselves in a much more productive way instead of just fighting each other with who can get the next statement in the brawl on GR.  

As for the admins deleting issues with what people say, well, again you are basically stating, ok, let's give more power to the admins.  Not a good idea.  The power should be more in the hands of us then the admins.  The admins are here only to settle disputes and make decisions based on facts that are presented to them.  That is it.  There shouldn't be admins controlling the BL that also have control of the forum in that sense of locking and deleting threads.  That has also caused serious issues as seen in the past seasons.  The only thing I am saying in this statement is that we need admins to only control the forums at this time and not deal with the BL per say.  those admins should be the only ones that have access to the BL forums.  Therefore not being able to be corrupted with the power to lock threads that they think they can because they dont like the way it is going in that particular thread.  By having admins that specifically control the forums, it would eliminate the issue with admins controlling the forums in that retrospect, and they can focus on other things, like making decisions on cb's.

Saberian

[BTs_Lee.Harvey]

Well from an admin standpoint on this I will say for everyone to wait to see the new admin structure.. As mauti and other admins have said in the past few weeks things are chaning in the admin area. But If the clans dont want other peeps in there clan posting on the issue that leader of the clan need to tell his guys not to post anything and let wh oever is handling it issue for the clan take care of it (thats what I told my guys when I was in GM and for the most part only one or 2 clan member got into the issues that GM was involved in at any given time.. The other members dicussed issues on the clan webste and the person handling the issue with the BL would include things from that in there BL forum post.. If you guys want the admins to have to deal with this less it has to start withing the leaders of each clan telling there clan to not get involed in the dicusion expect for the person that id dealing with it.


edit... sry for bad grammer or spelling mistakes.. just got home from, work and I'm a little tired

[Typhy]

3 times through your post, and I'm more confused than ever, Harvey. Perhaps you could explain after you get some sleep.

I would support a rule in which the only ones allowed (monitored by admins distributing deletes/bans) to post in a clan issue would be 1 or 2 members of the clan previously designated to post under such circumstances. That would eliminated the whole clan coming in saying the same thing over and having their team spam and flame.

I think this would be rather hard to inforce from an admin standpoint. That said, it's not wise to have your entire clan spamming and flaming on the forums during an issue, it weakens your argument.  

I think it's been made very clear in the past that this league looks down on clans who do such things ( I'm sure most of you know what I'm talking about ).

To all clans: It's almost always in your best interest to have a single person handling an issue for your clan. You get too many guys involved, not only will you give your oponent more to work with, but as an admin, I can tell you that I'd tend to favor a clan who had one person arguing over a clan who had their entire clan flaming on the forums. [/color]

[BTs_Mysterio]

Typhy your disagreement is based on stupidity. Perhaps you are underestimating the intelligence of the BL Staff? You think they are incapable of having a list which tells who in a clan are designated to handle disputes? I think that would work very effectively against flaming in any issue. If someone proves themselves to be not worthy of their spot they can be removed and a replacement be positioned.

Typhy this isn't about 1 person representing a clan. In the past there are times when 1 person would completely misrepresent the clan. Two solid respectable players and active members of the community from each clan should be assigned and allow for decent "debates" on the issue. When there are only 4 people involved it's much more orderly and just will be easier.

Perhaps some admins are listening...

[Typhy]

The point isn't that we couldn't enforce it. It's that we wouldn't . Somoeone makes a perfectly reasonable post, just adding in a key fact, or something simple like that, we're not going to delete their post because someone's already arguing for their clan.

The best way to work is, and always has been, to give people incentive to behave themselves. The less we have to enforce the rules, the better. Clan's choosing to do things the right way is far better than us having to force them to do them the right way.

We take a very dim view of clans who don't conduct their arguments correctly, shouldn't that be reason enough to do it right?  

[BTs_Mysterio]

Typhy that's the view of "I'm too lazy to deal with it you kids work it out" "I'll just wait 'til it calms down and read the last page" The clan can choose who they want to argue and the clan can talk to that person(or those people) who can make all needed points. Simplify man.

[BTs_Lee.Harvey]

3 times through your post, and I'm more confused than ever, Harvey. Perhaps you could explain after you get some sleep.

I would support a rule in which the only ones allowed (monitored by admins distributing deletes/bans) to post in a clan issue would be 1 or 2 members of the clan previously designated to post under such circumstances. That would eliminated the whole clan coming in saying the same thing over and having their team spam and flame.

I think this would be rather hard to inforce from an admin standpoint. That said, it's not wise to have your entire clan spamming and flaming on the forums during an issue, it weakens your argument.  

I think it's been made very clear in the past that this league looks down on clans who do such things ( I'm sure most of you know what I'm talking about ).

To all clans: It's almost always in your best interest to have a single person handling an issue for your clan. You get too many guys involved, not only will you give your oponent more to work with, but as an admin, I can tell you that I'd tend to favor a clan who had one person arguing over a clan who had their entire clan flaming on the forums. [/color]

Yes typhy thats what I'm saying... As a clan lrader its there resposibilty to tell there own clans not to post and only let the person who is handling the prob with in there clan post to the DBL forums.. If the rest of the clan wants to put there 2 cents in.. they can do it on there own clan forums and then the person handleing it with the DBL can make a post of what is said there. Thats just the way we used to do it in GM

[Typhy]

Exacly, Harvey. And if a clan leader chooses not to nomiate a single person to handle a forum issue, and goes in favor of his whole clan spamming and flaming on the forum, he greatly decreases his chances of getting a favorable ruling.

[BTs_Lee.Harvey]

SO.. everyone is calling for more power to the people of DBL and less in the hands of the admins..... So why make a rule about this.... It is and always has been the responcibilty of the clans leaders to try to keep there clan from do it. Everyone wants more power to the people.. well you have hed it in the issue (for a long time) and now you want a rule to let the admins handle it.

[BTs_Mysterio]

Foolish comment Lee. We want the community as a whole to be able to interact more but there are things you don't give to the community. One of which is the ability to delete posts and issue bans. That's for the admins. Bad comparison.

Typhy you still like your making sound like a favourites game. It's not much to do to have the admins already following a issue to make sure it doesn't get flooded. You may choose that your are only going to have 1 person (yourself you egotistical bastard;) ) handle things. Rules help typhy. Why would you resist something that isn't going to have a negative effect?