Who will win Euro 2004!

[bronto]

nah england didnt play well for 87 mn. They had a goal, and did rest on their laurels while Portugal worked its ass off. They should have secure another goal instead !

admitedly, they weren't strong the second half, but they sure as hell pulled off some amazing tricks on those damn portugese in dire times. if rooney had stayed on, portugal would have been crying for mercy upon their country. they didn't win, that's all there is to it.
i'm glad i got to see owen tear it up again like i'd hoped to.

[|MP|Nomad]

Well the goal that England was denied was a good call from the ref, on Campbell I believe it was?  At first, I thought it was bs, and that they scored and I thought there goes another ref making dumb calls, but then when I reviewed the replay, it was clear that the ball was armed in and not headed/chested.  Sorry, just stating the facts, although I agree England did come back from behind and did a good job at that.

[seth]

to all england's supporters, France might need some cheering tomorrow !

[bronto]

it was clear that the ball was armed in and headed/chested.  Sorry, just stating the facts

i saw it about 5 or 6 times, and i will watch it many more, and i see a perfectly legal goal, the goalkeeper was on the ground after the first shot off the top bar, he had no chance of stopping campbell, he couldn't have even been fouled from there.

and yeah, i'm all for france. i'll be rooting for them tomorrow.

edit: typo

[|MP|Nomad]

Nomad, fistly....when italy leaves a tournament like this at the early stages, there is allways a cry from the italians blaming all but themselves. Dont know why, becuase ultimatly its the team itself that has to score the goal, not the ref and not the opposing team. And certainly not the other teams in the group. I dont believe for a second that the penalty against italy was "planned". Refs do bad calls, thats it.

I never said that the penalty against Italy was "planned" I simply said that it was a bs call.  It was a legitimate attempt by BOTH players to try and take possession of the ball, pushing and shoving is part of the game, the difference where it should be given a free kick or penalty, is if it was intentional, and clearly it was not.  I also said, if you read closely, that during deciding games such as these refs (in general) make calls in favour of the defending side, just as much as it would have been a bs call if it was in the Bulgarian goal box.

secondly. Italy played like shit in euro2004 and deserved the ticket home. Italy can play brilliant football when they want to. Totti is a good example of what happens to the italian team when they fail. Look at your own team, and not other factors when you look for an explanation for why it went wrong. Totti should infact be banned for the whole tournament for what he did. And I hope that frei, who did the same, will get equal, if not harder, punishment for that. Unsportsmanlike and childish.

Your right that Italy played like crap, and deserved to not move on.  The Totti incedent was deserving of punishment and even though Trapattoni's strategy was all revolved around Totti going into the tourny, that should teach Totti and other players that that kind of shit is not tolerated.  But I disagree, that Totti should have gotten banned from the entire tourny, he should have gotten 1 game, 2 at most, and yes, this is my biased opinion, but my opinion would be the same whehter it was Italy on the fire or any other team.

So, go home italy and try again in 2 years.

4 years till the next one

[|MP|Nomad]

it was clear that the ball was armed in and headed/chested.  Sorry, just stating the facts

i saw it about 5 or 6 times, and i will watch it many more, and i see a perfectly legal goal, the goalkeeper was on the ground after the first shot off the top bar, he had no chance of stopping campbell, he couldn't have even been fouled from there.

and yeah, i'm all for france. i'll be rooting for them tomorrow.

edit: typo

Not trying to start a flamer, but I ask that you look at it again.  Not Campbell, but the other England player that had his had raised up, we interfering with the goalies attempt to use his arms.  And, besides it went off his upper anyway, so it wouldn't have mattered.

[|MP|Nomad]

1 last thing I forgot to mention, I don't very much follow England soccer leagues, but from what I saw in this game (alone), James, didn't seem like a great goalie; I don't think too much about Ricardo, either, but did you notice that he made that save with his BARE hands!!!???    And, it must have been sweet revenge for him to score too.

[BFG]

Not trying to start a flamer, but I ask that you look at it again.? Not Campbell, but the other England player that had his had raised up, we interfering with the goalies attempt to use his arms.? And, besides it went off his upper anyway, so it wouldn't have mattered.

yeah it was terry jumping with cambell - both had eyes on the ball - but the only foal was maybe cambell fouling and jumping on and over terry - yes terry had his arms out as he jumped but that did not affect the goaly - who literally fell into them and slid down... everyone ive seen has questioned the referee - and although that was a major decision it certainly wasn't the only really unusual one to go Portugals way.

[|MP|Nomad]

Not trying to start a flamer, but I ask that you look at it again.? Not Campbell, but the other England player that had his had raised up, we interfering with the goalies attempt to use his arms.? And, besides it went off his upper anyway, so it wouldn't have mattered.

yeah it was terry jumping with cambell - both had eyes on the ball - but the only foal was maybe cambell fouling and jumping on and over terry - yes terry had his arms out as he jumped but that did not affect the goaly - who literally fell into them and slid down... everyone ive seen has questioned the referee - and although that was a major decision it certainly wasn't the only really unusual one to go Portugals way.

As I said in a previous post, when it comes to deciding games as these, ie. World Cup, etc, generally the ref in split second doubtful decisions will generally pick the defending team to rule for, in this case he did that, but I still feel that it was warranted, but in all honesty, I will see if I can get another look at it on the sports news, as I did not record it.

[bronto]

hopefully there will be a clip of it somewhere online. and in the event that the goalie had been fouled (which he certainly wasn't), and there was double overtime and into shootouts, david beckham's fuck up of a kick was because of the sinking, clumped up ground, and everyone seemed to notice it after this, because they were all jumping on that patch to flatten it.

[BFG]

Apparently England had made an official complaint to UEFA regarding the unacceptable state of the penalty spots... so it will be interesting what comes out of that. I guess at the end of the day though the spot was in the same condition for both sides...

[Brutha]

Nomad, only 2 years...the world cup, remember? or dont you want italy there

BFG, the penalty spots were bad. On beckhams and Vasells kick you see the dust flying....dont think they hit the ball as they wanted to. But its gone, the cup is gone. So, dry your eyes and pray for a better World cup. Only 2 more years

[BFG]

Yeah two more years. Perhaps we can find a replacment for beckham by then. and perhaps another rooney to keep the first rooney company

btw... that goal of owen in the 3rd minute was just magic wasn't it!

[MacMan]

You are all SOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong
who else can win a tourney like this, but the netherlands!?


HOLLAND!![/color]

[l ! l Dutchman]

Come on Macman....make up your mind...

Who will win?
The Netherlands...or.....Holland?

 

[BFG]

LOL. yeah come on dont be stupid, only one team can win not two

... don't like football anymore. think i'll give it a break till the world cup!

[|MP|Nomad]

Nomad, only 2 years...the world cup, remember? or dont you want italy there ;

Ah ok, I see now what you meant, I was referring to the next Euro Cup; and of course they will be there, like they always do  

[seth]

cheer up ppl, France vs Greece is about to start  

[bronto]

Yeah two more years. Perhaps we can find a replacment for beckham by then. and perhaps another rooney to keep the first rooney company

btw... that goal of owen in the 3rd minute was just magic wasn't it!

i'm sure beckham will dust off. you can't just lose all that talent, no way. owen was stellar in that game, 2:24 second goal. hopefully everyone will be playing to their potential next cup. i'm gonna go try to catch the france match on tv now.

[seth]

bye bye you fucking french cocksucking bastards