Couple problems/questions

[Typhy]

Ok, for starters, I have no problem with the CB, the c| clan won fair and square. Just a couple things it brought to my attention that I want to ask about.

1.) If a clan calls a map, plays a lag test there, are they bound to the map, or can they change? The situation in the CB involved c| picking Island Estate. Once we got to the map, and played one lagtest they requested Island Estate 2.

2.) Is it at all necessary, or even legal to do a lagtest at the start of every match?

3.) By default, a CB is played on one host, correct? And to change this, you have to discuss it before the CB begins, correct? In the event that you change hosts, after how many matches do you do so? 2 or 3?

Lastly I want to thank c|, thanks to their being respectable people, and very polite, none of these things turned into issues. Much respect on that front, and thanks for the CB.

[alaric]

Ok, for starters, I have no problem with the CB, the c| clan won fair and square. Just a couple things it brought to my attention that I want to ask about.

1.) If a clan calls a map, plays a lag test there, are they bound to the map, or can they change? The situation in the CB involved c| picking Island Estate. Once we got to the map, and played one lagtest they requested Island Estate 2.

2.) Is it at all necessary, or even legal to do a lagtest at the start of every match?

3.) By default, a CB is played on one host, correct? And to change this, you have to discuss it before the CB begins, correct? In the event that you change hosts, after how many matches do you do so? 2 or 3?

Lastly I want to thank c|, thanks to their being respectable people, and very polite, none of these things turned into issues. Much respect on that front, and thanks for the CB.

1. I don't see why they can't change. Part of the point of a lag test is to see if it's even possible to cb on that map.

2. RvS has a unique, uh, feature, that causes disgusting lag the first round of every match. A lag round at the beginning of every match is advisable.

3. I believe you are correct on this matter and I believe it is after 2 matches.

[Typhy]

1. I don't see why they can't change. Part of the point of a lag test is to see if it's even possible to cb on that map.

To get everyone loaded, equiped, ready, and to play a game takes an average of about 5 minutes, often more. Seems like a hell of a lot of stuff to do to have your oponent say "Ok, we don't like this map".

[Ssickboy]

I am interested in all your concerns too typh, and you're right for asking.  I think to do a split host it should be discussed before the match. I didn't think it was odd to ask, but to expect an undiscussed host change in the middle of a cb is doubtful.  Maybe unless there was some serious lag issues.  To me the lag was fine.  King and I discussed the accepted protocal to this at the moment.

I prefer at least one lagtest to rid the load bugs, and usually a second to make sure it's gone.  It's good practice.  To have any kind of bug during a match is a headache for both sides.  

Big question I would like to know officially:  Can you pick team colors after the lagtest?  I dont think either of us made a color change request.  Just curious.    

[Typhy]

I don't have a problem with doing a lagtest at the start of each round. However, it does seem a bit unreasonable that a clan should be able to change the map after that test.

[crypt]

I don't have a problem with doing a lagtest at the start of each round. However, it does seem a bit unreasonable that a clan should be able to change the map after that test.

I agree here, a clan could test another clans tactics or fuck with their minds so easily. I think once a map is chosen, it should be played, after all, they picked it.

[BTs_Mysterio]

I don't wanna start a new topic, but since we're talking about some problems/questions, I had something I wanted to ask about:

In between rounds I believe there should be a timer. In my mind and anyone who is sane, 30 seconds is enough to do a complete kit overhaul. Unless there a legit reason or such, in which case the host could do a manual pause of the count, there is no reason to sit around 1-2 minutes while a clan decides on their strategy for that single round. It was obscene the amount of time spent between every game even lag tests when we CBed c (just a example) I've seen more and more clans doing this. I think that 30 seconds is a reasonable time to ask, any longer can bring players out of their element.

Consider all I've said before giving a reply. Hopefully you will all consider this as a legitimate problem.

[Mr. Lothario]

First of all - the fun being host is eliminated.
You cant see what ppl type while you have the game paused. Grmbl.

     Yes you can. Open the console. Even that may not be necessary; I can't recall whether chat shows up over the settings screens or not.

[BTs_Mysterio]

Flies, perhaps if you had of been more delicate in your wording I wouldn't be typing this with the "hidden" anger that I am. There was no need to use a insult to the integrity of my argument. The point I am trying to get across is that you don't need to chat your ass off in the game, and when people are just sitting there doing nothing not saying any reason for the delay it gets annoying.

Perhaps you would prefer if this were made a rule that can be voided if both clans agree to ignore it, but we aren't talking about the need to chat mid game. I don't like CBs that have more time spent just sitting there waiting than actually playing. I can count at least 5 CBs this has happened and this time I just spoke out about it, and I won't mention clan names now because all you are going to do is twist it into making it seem like I hate that clan.

You obviously didn't consider what I said properly....

(P.S. Thank god I got off that god awful "486" post #... maybe thats why I got a negative reply)

[c| King.of.Pop]

hey peeps.  first off thanks again to MP5 for a nice clean no bullshit CB.  

next, the only reason why Ssick and I asked to go to Island Estate 2 after we lagtested Island Estate was because we were confused as to which of those 2 maps had the spawn we wanted for the color we were thinking of.  Plus everyone knows you never show your tactics in a lag test so I dont know what you're talking about Crypt.  

Sometimes its possible to forget which color lends itself to which spawn point.  So just because a clan forgets where a color spawns we have to be stuck there?...I dont think so.  MP5 understood that we were confused is all and gladly obliged by letting us change.  Thanks again.  Remember...Loser pics map and color, we were just confused because also Typhy forgot to mention that the first Island Estate they loaded for us was mistakingly (and they admitted doing so) some wierd spawn placement Ssick and I had never seen before fyi.  These rules are fair and square and are the reasons last nights cb was a success.

Hope that answers some of the others questions that maybe Ssick didnt touch upon.  Either way, regardless of the arguements some of you others have who were not involved in the cb, Typhy, Mysterio, Ssick and I all had a great time and are all looking forward to the next one!!!  Till we meet again on the battlefield MP5!!  Good luck and thanks again for a refreshingly fun and hassle free cb.

[Ssickboy]

I can really appreciate a cb that moves along quickly.  But you guys forget that your last map choice seemed to take quite some time.  Didn't bother me too much.  But maybe you were indirectly trying to prove a point to us.  

King and I talk like two slow dumb New Yorkers on nf.

Just to have an honorable standard, what is a reasonable time limit?  10 secs? 3mins?

[Mr. Lothario]

     Sorry, I must not have been clear. What I meant was, while the game is paused (by opening the server options screen or the kit restrictions screen), you can pull down the console and see chat through that. AFAIK, that always works.

[c| King.of.Pop]

Somehow Mysterio's post about the time in between rounds got passed me since I was thinking more about responding to Typhy in my first post.  But as I read Mysterios I have to wonder, what the hell are you talking about Mysterio??  The whole cb took maybe an hour or a little more if that.  Only a couple of times in between rounds did we maybe go 1 or 2 minutes before starting...big deal.  And that was only when we were strategizing because we found ourselves down in the count or we had to pick the next map.  I mean I really dont understand the complaint Mysterio.  We all seemed to agree that was one of the quickest hassle free and fun cb's we've all had.  So if you're complaining about anything pertaining to that cb, it's gonna be a long season for you because I guarantee you the cb you had with us will be one of the smoothest you'll remember.  I'm puzzled that you would complain about anything that happened in that cb relating to the speed or efficiency of it, in fact it was just about "textbook".  I guess you just cant please everyone...

Funny how the only times people post with complaints or wacky suggestions is when they lose...no offense.  But I still think that was a great cb, till the next one fellas...out...

Kingo

[BTs_Lee.Harvey]

I don't wanna start a new topic, but since we're talking about some problems/questions, I had something I wanted to ask about:

In between rounds I believe there should be a timer. In my mind and anyone who is sane, 30 seconds is enough to do a complete kit overhaul. Unless there a legit reason or such, in which case the host could do a manual pause of the count, there is no reason to sit around 1-2 minutes while a clan decides on their strategy for that single round. It was obscene the amount of time spent between every game even lag tests when we CBed c (just a example) I've seen more and more clans doing this. I think that 30 seconds is a reasonable time to ask, any longer can bring players out of their element.

Consider all I've said before giving a reply. Hopefully you will all consider this as a legitimate problem.

There is a timer... Its 5 mins to start the next round (acording to the rules). You dont have to start the next round for 5 min after the last round what finished.. This was put in place to deal w/ computer prob, finding subs for crashed players and to deal w/ any other prob that can occur.

[BTs_Mysterio]

Somehow Mysterio's post about the time in between rounds got passed me since I was thinking more about responding to Typhy in my first post.  But as I read Mysterios I have to wonder, what the hell are you talking about Mysterio??  The whole cb took maybe an hour or a little more if that.  Only a couple of times in between rounds did we maybe go 1 or 2 minutes before starting...big deal.  And that was only when we were strategizing because we found ourselves down in the count or we had to pick the next map.  I mean I really dont understand the complaint Mysterio.  We all seemed to agree that was one of the quickest hassle free and fun cb's we've all had.  So if you're complaining about anything pertaining to that cb, it's gonna be a long season for you because I guarantee you the cb you had with us will be one of the smoothest you'll remember.  I'm puzzled that you would complain about anything that happened in that cb relating to the speed or efficiency of it, in fact it was just about "textbook".  I guess you just cant please everyone...

Funny how the only times people post with complaints or wacky suggestions is when they lose...no offense.  But I still think that was a great cb, till the next one fellas...out...

Kingo

King that was certainly a drawn out insult to my argument. Perhaps you have played in a CB of any real speed? Please try that before talking about speed/efficiency again. I never found that CB in question to be hassle free or speedy. Perhaps it appeared hassle free on the surface of the chat, but it was a different story on NF between me and typhy. If there is one thing that can really....really piss me off, it's when you say that this was motivated by a loss. I hate slow moving CBs, and maybe the way you did this one and someone finally got me pissed off enough to be off my game, that I spoke up. It is one of those things that I just hate. You may be able to say that yes I was more motivated than usual to bring this up than if we had of won because thats true; I still think everything I've said.

There's nothing wacky about wanting a game to move along faster than it did in that CB. Each round I was slowly becoming more and more pissed off about see 1 person ready up, then de-ready and then the other do the same, then about 40 seconds later you would both ready taking up a ridiculous amount of time. Sure, it's always nice to take time to plan things out, but wouldn't it be nice to do that before the CB? Or maybe this was intentional to slow the pace? Perhaps not... I'm just trying to offer a real alternative to the go-nowhere-slow CB's I've witnessed.

Closing note for that little thought of yours king, if you didn't understand the complaint, why would you have posted a reply, let alone one that restated your puzzlement about 4-5 times. I got through saying last time your CB was the one that made me a bit more enticed to post this in my other post. Don't make wacky suggestions that this was the smoothest CB I've had this season 'cause next to the Da? that was the most rough I've seen since BTs Finals.

There is a timer... Its 5 mins to start the next round (acording to the rules). You dont have to start the next round for 5 min after the last round what finished.. This was put in place to deal w/ computer prob, finding subs for crashed players and to deal w/ any other prob that can occur.

Great 5 minutes, that's real relevant to what we're talking about. There's a line between relevant and irrelevant... you can finish that one yourself. Just for the record, I've never been in a CB where a player crashes/has a delay worth while/comp problems that we haven't waited for their sub or the player's return. Perhaps you were trying to say "With a 30 second timer how could we wait for the person to come back?" I'll let loth field that one with this:
"While the game is paused (by opening the server options screen or the kit restrictions screen), you can pull down the console and see chat through that."--loth

Well, okay...

[c| King.of.Pop]

Wow, I dont even know what to say to that Mysterio.  LIke I said I thought everything was fine.  Now all you're doing is saying it was that agonizing??  Makes no sense to me.  If there was any extra time taken by me or Ssick, it was because you guys had us down 2 - 1.  So at that time we're not allowed to take some more time to re think our plan and try to come up with a better way to beat you??  my god Mysterio, shall we all play at your pace next time??  Typhy and I had a nice conversation about how smooth this cb was.  I honestly cant believe you're complaining about it.  Now I truly believe it has to be because you lost.  And I also believe its just you because Typhy seemed sincerely happy with the way things went other then his few questions, but maybe I'm wrong about that too.  Hell maybe I have no idea what a good cb is supposed to be like for that matter

I almost didnt want to dignify your reply with a response but that needed one so there ya go.  Sorry Mysterio, but if you thought that was bad, then I guess I've got a lot of angry posts to look forward to this season by you after cb's with us and other clans.  Or you could just CHILL!!

Kingo

[BTs_Mysterio]

Wow, I dont even know what to say to that Mysterio.  LIke I said I thought everything was fine.  Now all you're doing is saying it was that agonizing??  Makes no sense to me.  If there was any extra time taken by me or Ssick, it was because you guys had us down 2 - 1.  So at that time we're not allowed to take some more time to re think our plan and try to come up with a better way to beat you??  my god Mysterio, shall we all play at your pace next time??  Typhy and I had a nice conversation about how smooth this cb was.  I honestly cant believe you're complaining about it.  Now I truly believe it has to be because you lost.  And I also believe its just you because Typhy seemed sincerely happy with the way things went other then his few questions, but maybe I'm wrong about that too.  Hell maybe I have no idea what a good cb is supposed to be like for that matter

I almost didnt want to dignify your reply with a response but that needed one so there ya go.  Sorry Mysterio, but if you thought that was bad, then I guess I've got a lot of angry posts to look forward to this season by you after cb's with us and other clans.  Or you could just CHILL!!

Kingo

Chill, eh? I was very chill until you and flies questioned the basis for my complaint. Hell, I still am chill, annoyed but chill. I don't care about the loss, thats not what I'm angry... upset about. I'm upset with the time wasted. Most of the time after CBs we would do another immediate rematch, but this time it stretched on well over 1 hour. I fail to see how  20 (max games + a few lag tests) can take over 1 hour to play unless a lot of time is wasted in between.

You know, I almost did get angry after reading the above (quoted) post. It really insulted me as a player. I am not a sour loser. Half of you people don't even know me in anyway besides what I posted or said during a CB. Ask BTs, I was the one who tried, and tried very hard, to keep everyone from becoming brutal enemies... though it seems I sort of failed that one... I just don't see why you can't respect that my opinion may differ from yours and I should try to argue it through, as one would do in any debate type situation.

Actually, the more I write the more inclined I'm becoming to start throwing in my classic lame jokes, but then you people wouldn't even bother reading. So I am acting serious about this, because it could be serious to many people who want to play a nice quick CB before running out to do god knows what.

King, just stop getting caught up on the fact this came about after your CB, because I admitted that your CB was the one which made me take time to consider what was going on, but only after experiencing it several times before. To be honest, I don't give a DAMN about what Typhy said to you, because he's the guy who's putting on his little polite show as I'm getting to the point. Just one last thing I wanted to address:

my god Mysterio, shall we all play at your pace next time??

The difference between my pace and your pace is, that you already have/can force your pace on me.

[c| King.of.Pop]

Uh...the cb was already started very late, in fact almost 11 pm eastern.  There wasnt time to have another cb after anyways.  And a little over an hour isnt bad considering you do have to do lag tests in RvS.  But then again I wasnt there for the hell you went through with BT.  All I do know is that it sounds like some of that is rubbing off on our cb.  And nothing was ever forced on you.  If you had a problem durung the cb you shoulda said something.  But I would have been shocked then too because I thought everything was going well except for the slight delay about hosting, which was resolved quickly.  Ssick and I both have had some bad cb's as well, including a 3 hour marathon with BT, so we can sympathize.  Thats why this makes no sense to me to compare ours to theirs.  Plus Typhy told me you guys had like 20 or more draws with BT's cuz they camped like hell, we had one draw in our cb and no one ever camped.  Am I missing something?

Sorry Mysterio I dont get it...Your complaint doesnt hold water for me.  So we agree to disagree.

Kingo

[c| Spetsnaz.]

A hour for a CB sounds speedy to me.

Shit, we did'nt bitch after wasting 6 hours on Easter Sunday Cb'in.

[c| King.of.Pop]

I know, and he's bitching about a tiny little one hour match.  Good luck if you make it to the finals Mysterio, you think an hour is bad....thats a skip in the park in most peoples books.

Maybe c| can work on speed talking skills on netfone and using abbreviated terms and descriptions to strategize so that Mysterio doesnt fall asleep or get aggravated after an hour of playing RvS.  

Typhy's concerns at the beggining of this thread were warranted and worth bringing up.  Mysterio yours just....boggles the mind.