Police Brutality

[cO.Kuza]

I live in San Fransico and I attend a High school. I am currently a junior.

Ok today at lunch me and my freinds were out for a 45 min off campus lunch.

This guy Was standing on the corner (Latino Senior) And a cop car pulls up and a cop jumps out and starts to pound this guy and he fought back. The cop ended up pushing through the window and the kid cut his arm from his wrist all way to his shoulder and he had to be hospitalized. FORWHAT? "Suspected"grafitti? After this went down the police told us to get out of this area so they wouldn't be subject to journalism on the event.

I just wanted to share this little outing i had today at 11:30
o and 7 more cop cruisers pulled up and they never called an ambulance.

[alaric]

Before I make any rash judgement calls, I have a few questions.

1. Are you sure this kid was only wanted for "suspected grafitti"?

2. Are you sure he isn't wanted for something gang-related?

3. Where did you get this information?

4. Were you close enough to hear any verbal exchanges between the officers and the suspect? If so, what were they?

5. Did the suspect do anything suspicious with his hands? Ex. Reaching into his pockets/waistband, making threatening gestures...

Now a few general comments....

1. Fighting back against the police (right or wrong) is just plain stupid. They will kick your ass. Everytime. Period.

2. The police told you to leave the area for your and their safety. They don't know if you're involved in the incident or not. They're not sure if you have any weapons or ill intent.

Besides that, large angry crowds are dangerous, especially for police and especially when the incident involves a minority youth. Situations like you just described could easily lead to mob violence. You yourself seem upset about it and you don't even know all the facts. They're just trying to avoid escalation of the incident by telling you to get away, not cover up the truth.

[BFG]

Although everything alaric said has a valid point... that still sounds pretty damn crazy, as im sure it was from your view!

Was watching a bit of tv the other night... Policeman over here has just been sespended while an investigaton looks into the fact he was caught on CCTV kicking a suspect on the ground while several other officers had handcuffed him and pinned him down on the ground...  

Not good. Although on the other side i can see why, in some circumstances guys can loose it  - last night there was a programme about policing friday/saterday night city centres over here in a couple of very 'lively' spots... The ammount of drunken people doing stupid things, not to mention trying to knock the shit out of each other before venting all anger at the police... some of the shit the poor cops took was pretty crazy... if i got treated like that all the time, id get pretty mad... not that kicking a cuffed guy is exactly acceptable

["Sixhits"]

The kicker for me is "started fighting back." Once you do that, no matter how in the right you are, the cop's gonna bust your face and you just signed for it on the dotted line.

[seth]

1. Fighting back against the police (right or wrong) is just plain stupid. They will kick your ass. Everytime. Period.

I'll have to agree with that. Dont be stupid, coz the cops will be more stupid that you. Its like trying to run away from a police car: you will loose evertytime.

[Mr. Lothario]

     Actually the success rate for escaping in police car chases is about one in three.

[seth]

that must be because in 1 out of 3 cases, the cop is thinking about the safety of the other drivers and pedestrians instead of just trying to catch a moron who just blew a stop !

[BTs_FahQ2]

Bah, even for graffiti they should kick the shit out of him.  More times than not he won't do it again.

Cops 1 idiot 0

gg

[|MP|Buccaneer]

    Actually the success rate for escaping in police car chases is about one in three.

Or 99 out of 100 for us guys on sportbikes =D.

Buccaneer 12 - Johnny Law 0

My buddy Greg makes up for it though, he got pulled over after putting just 12 miles on his new bike.  He didn't want to gun it, since it hadn't been broken in yet.  

As for cops beating the crap out of someone, hey, there is nothing wrong with a good beating now and then.  Helps keep people in line.  I'm all for public floggings too though.

[The Golden Shark]

Bah, even for graffiti they should kick the shit out of him.  More times than not he won't do it again.

Cops 1 idiot 0

gg

dood wtf graohitti is an art that i ( and alot of people) apprieciate, although alot of it is gang related, and a marking of territory ( so to speak). Graphitti is an underground gorilla art form, and i happen to think that i more ways than one, it beautifies the ugly drab grey, and tan city colors. so i think that a beating is definatly not justified. I realize that it is against the law, but a beating? no

Cops -500 Young kid with art and future in mind 500

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especially in San Fransisco man its so cool up there, and there is so much diversified underground art culture.

[BTs_FahQ2]

Being a graphic artist myself, I know the culture very well.  But condoning some fucktard to spraypaint where he feels because a few think it's pretty is just senseless.  If I like my wall grey than grey it shall stay, whether I beat you first or the cops get you.  Sanctioned and sponsored art is the only means I pretty much agree with.  Shit, I have even met and discussed this with shepard fairey, one of the largest gorilla art suitors right now. Although I consider his work some of the best out there, I don't appreciate defaming public or private property.  

Plus, cops just don't beat for fun.  Despite the stupid ass perceptions of many about law enforcement, they don't get off on violence and killing people who don't deserve it.  It is as rare as a guy wanting his nuts stomped on by a chick in high heels.  Sure its out there, but very rare indeed.

[|MP|Buccaneer]

There's a bunch of protesting going on here right now because one cop was just promoted.  All because he has 3 justified shootings to his credit.

He's black, so it's not a race issue, and he was completely cleared in all three shootings.  I do believe all three were fatal.

The people protesting say that he's too gun crazy, to violent.  I look at Detroit (and the two officers that got killed at a traffic stop last week) and wonder how this guy only has 3.  Shit, you even come close to pointing a gun at a cop, and they should drop you just under GP.  

Back on topic, why the hell shouldn't the guy spray painting the side of my building get a beating?  He may think it's art, some others may too.  But I don't, and if it's my wall, I have the right to say what it should look like.  Screw the punk kid, maybe the beating will teach him what his father should have long ago.

[cO.Kuza]

Ok heres the deal;

1. I was there so i didnt hear this from someone else.

2.Also there were six cops vs one latino.

3.He didn't fight back untill he was provoked, It turns out he was "tagging" and a security gaurd came out and started to beat him. A police patrol came by and saw this and jumped out and helped the security guard.

4.He was being pushed by them so he pushed back and then it just went from there...

5. He got sent to Juvie for 4 weeks but my freind bailed him out.

6.He is going to press charges of unnesicary force on the police officer which will be hard because the cop refused to give him his bage I.D number.

[alaric]

Ok heres the deal;

1. I was there so i didnt hear this from someone else.

2.Also there were six cops vs one latino.

3.He didn't fight back untill he was provoked, It turns out he was "tagging" and a security gaurd came out and started to beat him. A police patrol came by and saw this and jumped out and helped the security guard.

4.He was being pushed by them so he pushed back and then it just went from there...

5. He got sent to Juvie for 4 weeks but my freind bailed him out.

6.He is going to press charges of unnesicary force on the police officer which will be hard because the cop refused to give him his bage I.D number.

1. Ok good, did you hear anything that was said? Or see the kid make furitive movements?

2. Irrelevant. You're just making this a race issue. Which it is not.

3. So the cops didn't see what was going on, they only saw a fight between a security guard and a kid. Hrm, I wonder which side I'd pick...

4. That's a little vague. Was he being pushed/harrassed by the cops? The security guard? Doesn't matter I guess. Both had a right to detain him based on what happened. He did not have a right to push back, again that's just dumb.

5. Only 4 weeks for assault on a peace officer these days? What's this world coming to?

6. Those charges will fail because the force (based on what you've described here) was totally appropriate and neccessary. In fact, in most places he would have been tasered or OC sprayed as well.

What we have here is a simple case. The suspect was caught participating in an illegal activity. When the suspect was confronted by security personnel he became uncooperative and combative. When police arrived to assist the security personnel the suspect resisted arrest and most likely assualted one or more officers.

This is an open and shut case.

***Pounds gavel

Bailiff, take him away.

[cO.Kuza]

O did i forget to mention that he got pushed through glass and cut his arm open? but yeah that was his fault.

2.im pointing out a racial issue because if this were a white person the cops would have not'of been as aggressive and thats a proven fact.

[alaric]

O did i forget to mention that he got pushed through glass and cut his arm open? but yeah that was his fault.

2.im pointing out a racial issue because if this were a white person the cops would have not'of been as aggressive and thats a proven fact.

Pushed through glass while fighting with cops? Oh, shit, that changes everything. Gosh, I feel so bad everytime someone trying to hurt me gets hurt instead.

IT WAS OBVIOUSLY HIS FAULT! HE WAS FIGHTING WITH THE COPS FOR CHRISSAKE!

2. It's not a racial issue becuase race wasn't the motivating factor for the action. The fact that he was fighting with cops was! If you can't see that there's no point in wasting anymore time with you. You've obviously made up your mind that cops are around only to beat the minorities into the ground. I can't change a fucked up worldview like that anymore than I can convince GhostSniper that Bush isn't the second coming of Jesus Christ.

By your own words the fight was already underway by the time the police arrived. What were they supposed to do? Ask him nicely to stop fighting with the security guard? The cops would have (rightfully) used force on the kid no matter what color he was.

[BFG]

Irrelevant. You're just making this a race issue. Which it is not.

who are we to say? The cops might have acted differently... then again it might have had absolutly nothing to do with it...

We weren't there, in the minds of the guy or the cops so i find it hard how we can claim to know what it was or wasn't about...

[alaric]

That wasn't really my point BFG. My point was that their motivations were irrelevant. The kid had already done enough to warrant the treatment he recieved, regardless any potential racist motivations of the police.

[kami]

Haha alaric, right on. I actually believe Bush is the second coming of Christ, really, I do. Oh wait, I meant Anti-Christ.

[BTs_GhostSniper]

I can't change a fucked up worldview like that anymore than I can convince GhostSniper that Bush isn't the second coming of Jesus Christ.

Um, I don't believe Bush is the second coming of Jesus (or of the anti-Christ either, for that matter).  I do, however, believe that he is the best candidate currently running for President.  Now if Colin Powell were to step up to the plate, I would say otherwise.  But if anybody really thinks that any of these idiots running on the Democrat ticket are good then you are all crazy.  You guys act like I would vote Republican no matter what and that only a far right-wing conservative will do.  Well, that just isn't the case.  Hell, I would have voted for JFK over Nixon had I been around back then and just for your information, my favorite President of all time was the man that created what later became the Democratic Party (anybody know who that was?).

Peace.

-GhostSniper Out.