Terrorism Debate

[jn.loudnotes]

Maybe our high-minded language is too hard to understand.  While Bander speaks very good English, he isn't a native speaker and certainly does not understand everything perfectly.


Also, and I'm curious from this debate here:

I was under the impression that the proper way to dispose of a soiled American flag is to burn it.  Is that correct?  If so, how is this done?  If not, what is done instead?  I'm pretty sure you don't just toss a worn out flag in the trash can....

[Grifter]

Loud,
burning is the preferred way to dispose of the American flag. ?There are 5 or 6 accepted ways. ?A guy at work posted a 10 page document he D/L'd from somewhere on all the different "rules" regarding the American flag (what pole to hang it from... flying at night ok only if you spotlight it... etc). ?I'll find the link and modify this post next time I'm in the building.

FLAG RULES LINK

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[Bander Snatch]

Okay -

First of all - use my name as often u like in ur funny messages i will not continue to answer to this bullshit. (Mr. Grifter - u managed to make me that upset on u so its very unlikely u would earn any respect from any other afghan or afghan woman. no need to keep up your fake respect for us - thanks.).

Its like any other discussion here: Post something and another "chat battle" starts. Seems there a lotta bored people here who like it to fight each other in these forums for every single word while not seeing the mainframe of the current issues. Poor such ones.

So - as i said it would be:  yesterday on Sunday the U.S. and their "merry little elves" from U.K. started to bomb Afghanistan. Enjoy your war. (CNN will provide u with some nice green screens)

In times like this one i am glad to know WHO my friends are - regards.

[Ace]

50 Tomahawks. Lotsa B-52's. 2 B-2's. 37,000 tons of food. 0 civilians.


USA - 1, Taliban/Bin Laden - 0


It's times like this that I'm glad to know who my friends are and how good of a military they run.

[jn.blackhand]

bander. even now you can't keep your moth shut.

The Northern Alliance openly welcomed the attack on the Taliban.

WE are dropping supplies, food, and clothing to you.

WE'VE provided food for Afghanistan's for years now, especially those living within the Taliban's terroritory.

WE are praying and hoping our missles didn't kill any innocent people.

Maybe you've ignored all of what we've been saying, but the prominent figures in this debate thread have ALL said they don't want innocent people to die.

It's my hope that one day you'll see that we are not against you, America is not your enemy, and we want only to enable the USA, Afghanistan, and the WORLD to live without fear and with relative peace.

[Grifter]

Okay -

First of all - use my name as often u like in ur funny messages i will not continue to answer to this bullshit. (Mr. Grifter - u managed to make me that upset on u so its very unlikely u would earn any respect from any other afghan or afghan woman. no need to keep up your fake respect for us - thanks.).

In times like this one i am glad to know WHO my friends are - regards.

Bander,

First, you do continue to respond...

Second, I'm not going to worry about respect from you... as I don't have any for you anymore.  I don't respect people that can't discuss issues rationally and logically.  I don't respect people that use stereotypes.  I don't respect hypocrates.

Third, thanks anyway, but I have enough Afghan (and other Arab / Moslem) friends over here already.  I'll continue to show them the respect they are due, and I'll start showing you the lack of respect that you've brought upon your dumbass head.

Fourth, the only think fake here is your claim to have read any of my posts in full.  I've never preached war, only peace... I've wished peace to you and yours.. and meant it.  Your just way too much of an arrogant asshole to realize your mistakes.

Last... you still have friends with your asshole attitued??  I'm amazed.  Then again, I guess little men that stand up and preach hate towards other groups (like you towards Americans... you know.. that fat lazy bunch always looking for the next burger king you were talking about) always seem to find followers.  Hitler did.. bin Laden did.. I'm sure you have yours too.  I guess what I'm saying here is, yes, you've proven to many here what an arrogant asshole you are, what a hypocrate you are, and I guess the only think left to say is.... fuck it, you aren't worth anymore effort.

[dave-s]

Bander: If you dont want a slagging of then shut the fuck up, You go on about one thing and then do the same against various memebers of the forums. Im sick of you winging, your all agrreing on similar things anyway.

from a 'merry little elf'

[Precious_Roy]

50 Tomahawks. Lotsa B-52's. 2 B-2's. 37,000 tons of food. 0 civilians.


USA - 1, Taliban/Bin Laden - 0

0 civilians?  An unkown number of civilians have been killed, anywhere from 60 to 100, including 4 UN representatives.

USA - 1, Humanity - 0

As for the Northern Allience, we should continue to give them weapons, we should give them our political backing, and we should give them food.  But we need to stop bombing.  In fact, we never should have started.

[Ace]

At the time of my post, 0 civilians were reported dead by both the BBC and THE TALIBAN'S OFFICIAL RADIO. If some died later, that is sad, but you must remember we are at war with people who attacked our soil. We all remember how badly we fucked up the last nation to do that. 60-100 civilians is extremely small in comparison.
Then again, I bet our food drops have saved the lives of at least that many people. Hell, we might even come out of this with more lives saved than civilian lives killed. Don't go saying we are in a battle with humanity. Humanity already lost, but not to us. Humanity lost on 9/11.


Also, don't go saying we should blindly back the Northern Alliance. I think we all remember what happened when we back a "good" Afghanistan group 20 years ago against the evil Soviets and where they are today.

[Bander__________BAM!]

Read the news, listen to the radio Ace - but stop dreaming.

Listen to what humanity-organisations say about "your food drops" -

Go and try to find out why the U.S. supported the Taliban together with the Pakistani ISI (before the 11th) -

If i tell ya u wouldnt believe it anyway - but before posting such a uninformed shit u could use the web to get some proper information on things u are talking about.

But one thing: So far the U.S. didnt even send weapons and ammo to aid the NA (they just supported the mudjaheddin as long they fought against the sioviets) - the russians and iran are doing that. Another thing: Ask those killed people (for excemple the U.N. mine seekers) and their relatives if they agree in what u said. And this sentence is totally shizo: "Humanity already lost, but not to us. Humanity lost on 9/11."

Wheatever - have fun with your war ace. I hate it.

[Precious_Roy]

Ace, We supported a democratic uprising.  When the soviets left Afganistan eruptedin a civil war.  Those previously supported by the US, (now comprising much of the NA)planned a democratic coalition, but were subjugated by the taliban.  Rather then help our allies, we got the hell out of afganistan.

Ace, they arn't starving in Afganistan, our food is welcome and needed by th eAfgan people, but it hasn't saved many from starving, because most werentstarving in the first place.

Did you know wthat in May we gave the Taliban 40 million dollars, because they had been effective in cutting down the poppy crop? (poppy=precursor to heroin)  Yay for the war on drugs, financing goverments striving to destroy us.

[jn.blackhand]

mort. the afghan people have been starving. not all but many. if it weren't for the US now and in the past, many more Afghans would be starving. stop manipulating facts to prove your points.

bander. who do you think the Russian and Isreali governments are working in conjuction with?

if it were up to you, you'd have the Northern Alliance be the only force going against the Taliban. Maybe you have years to wait around for them to overthrow the Taliban, but the world does not.

With every anti-american comment you posts, it only makes us care less about the Afghan people. Pull your head out of your ass and wake up.

WE ARE YOUR ALLIES. WE DON'T WANT WAR. THE TALIBAN HAS LEFT US WITH NO CHOICE. WE HAVE KNOCKED OUT MANY MAJOR TALIBAN AND TERRORIST POINTS. WE HAVE MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO BE DEFEATED QUICKLY, NOT ONLY BY THE US, BUT BY THE NORTHERN ALLIACNE AS WELL.

Finally, civillians have died, but not nearly as many as you are suggesting.

The U.N. mine seekers died because of their own idiocy. They were informed not to stay overnight in that area, but did so anyways. It was the U.N.'s fault not the US's.

[Ace]

I would respond but I need to go find a Burger King...

[JaggedEdge]

We (AMERICA) are just such a nice country THE NICEST in the worl wwhat other country would supply the enimie's starving people wwith food medicine ect ect ect...... and at the same time bomb the shit ot of em we r just to nice

[Precious_Roy]

I would be responding right now to everything that was just said, but jaggedEdge's post has confused me beyond the point of response.

What the hell are you trying to say JE?

[jn.blackhand]

ditto.

[Bander Snatch2]

Blackhand (this is what u said):

"The U.N. mine seekers died because of their own idiocy. They were informed not to stay overnight in that area, but did so anyways. It was the U.N.'s fault not the US's. "

? Comments and thinking like this really disgusts me.
? If idiocy kills everywhere u would be in great danger permanently.
? U have no respect for human lifes (at least not for all kind of)
? cursing and posing doesnt make u appear more clever than u are

meanwhile another 200 villagers got killed (prooven by western journalists) - i am sure this number will keep growing - but go ahead and enjoy your "venegance".

So - now go ahead and add some crap here again -

[Ace]

Bander, get off your high horse. I will put this as simply as possible for you

The United States of America was attacked.

The United States of America is defending itself.

In every war in history, from the most just wars to the least, civilians have died. If you want someone to blame for this, go find Bin Laden and kick his ass. It's his fault (along with his cohorts) that we are put in this situation.

[Grifter]

Ace, you've got Bander all wrong.  Don't use logic, it doesn't work.  Look at his posts.  He's not against violence, he's just against the USA.  There are plenty of people around like that, I ran into way too many of them over in Europe. Mostly in Germany and France (Germany, at least I can understand a bit, hard feelings over wars lost, but after coming to France's rescue a couple times, they really confuse me).  But I degress.  Bander is just your typical USA basher.  He's not against violence and the killing of innocents when it came from the Northern Allicance.... just when it comes from American bombs.

So, don't try to argue with him, that would require logical debate.  It's useless with Bander.  To borrow a stereotype from him, he's just turned into eurotrash.  Jumping on a bandwagon to bash the USA.

Sum up my thoughts:

1. I wish we had never bombed (too many innocents always die in bombing)
2. I hope they stop bombing and send in specail forces to finish the job (innocents will probably still die, but less then with bombing).
3.  War is the natural extension of politics (wish I could remember who said that first).  War has been declared upon the USA by Bin Laden multiple times (the cole was an act of war..... and Bin Laden called for the so called "holy war".
4. War is not good.... ever.  But there is no police force to call.... nobody that can go arrest this group of crazy criminals.  These criminals are being kept safe in somebody's house.... not holding them hostage, but being allowed to stay there... being protected.  When you harbor a criminal, you become a criminal, in most cultures I've ever seen.
5.  I hope this is over quickly.  I hope nobody else (besides Bin Laden and his followers) dies.  Unfortunately, the sad truth is, the world is not a perfect place, and this wont happen.
6. The likelyhood of no more innocents dieing is about the same as Bander not being an asshole... just ain't gonna happen.

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[jn.blackhand]

My Dad told me not to put my hand on the hot stovetop. I did anyways. I got burned by my own idiocy.

The UN informed those mine seekers not to stay in that area overnight. They did anyways. They were killed by their own idiocy.

"Comments and thinking like this really disgusts me."

Why? Because I speak the truth, or because I'm a citizen of The United States Of America?

If idiocy kills everywhere u would be in great danger permanently

Idiocy does kill. I have no argument about that whatsoever.

U have no respect for human lifes (at least not for all kind of)

Have I not stated time and time again that I did not want innocent lives to be lost, regardless of Nationality?  

I have no respect for Osama Bin Laden's life. I have no respect for members and supporters of Terrorist factions

cursing and posing doesnt make u appear more clever than u are

hmmm. coming from you, that really means something.

hypocritical bullshit. typical bander.

but hey, he has a point, we don't have to experience the same attacks on our soil as he does. Oh, wait, we already have and the casaluties were MUCH MORE SEVERE.

and he has a right to put words into our mouth's disregard our posts and manipulate facts, after all, he's the disadvantaged here. he's been through soo much in his lifetime, we fat lazy americans won't ever know the troubles that he has endured. Oh, wait, we have and our troubles have been much more real and much more scary.

in closing, though this is unrelated to this thread, if anyone needs a reason not to smoke pot, well you got it. it's name is Bander.