AcE, not that it makes a difference but......

[KoS Ultimo]

They should not be #1

They should not even be in the BL season because they only appeared on the ladder a couple weeks before finals.

Typhy made up his bs about "merging" MP5 and AcE, but that merge is impossible because Silvio specifically asked permission to leave kos to make his own clan. After that he recruited typhy and mysterio into his clan, as well as others. Then its obvious typhy said somethign like "well the only way we can compete in this BL season is if we say we merged clans and get the points I earned while I was in MP5". Then everyone else said "ok cool lets just stick around that story like we're all merging."

Mauti I brought this up after you made your decision on purpose. Silvio is my friend and I didn't want to hurt his chances in competing because that was his whole reason in leaving kos afterall. But it has to be broughten up now because it is total and utter bs.

By allowing them to "merge" and earn the old clan's points, your allowing a huge flaw in the BL system. Let me give you an example.



Lets say for season 5 TF6 plays 6 cb's and gets a record of 6-0.

Then kos decides to merge with TF6 and rename the clan to KOS

Then KOS, with all of kos's original members(who did nothing to deserve the 6-0) will be rewarded with TF6's score just because we recruited the few TF6 poeple and changed there name alittle. Therefore allowing all kos players who never participated in the regular season to play in the finals.

I overheard people in the main chat already discussing ways to cheat the system next season. Saying things such as "I can't wait to merge with BTs" ALLOWING THIS IS ONLY CREATING A MAJOR PROBLEM


Finally, I would have probably never posted this if it wasn't for typhy. I don't know what it is about him but he talks so much, poeple just tend to give in and let him have his way. For christs sake he almost has 2000 posts. Mauti, I'm not saying you were decieved in your decision, but typhy has his way with words. He will want something, but act liek he wants the total opposite. Then slowly he will show hat he really wants, and most poeple don't pick up on it. If typhy wasn't such a prick I would have probably not posted this and gone back to not caring, but this is total bs and it has to be stopped.

[bronto]

I have good relations with typhy, but i agree with you ultimo. also, i've heard some things said that the only clan typhy cbed was daf; i dont really care why or how he came to just cb daf, but isnt there a limit on the amount of times you can cb a single clan? If not, that rule isnt there only because typhy insisted on having it removed.

[†FiRE Infection]

I agree with Ult because I also saw people talking about ways to cheat our system.  Now normally we can tell what is going on and I don't think that the decision made to let Typhy keep his points was the worst ever, because I don't believe that Typhy was looking for a way to cheat, just a name/team change but it opens up cheap opportunities for other people and clans.  It's going to make more work for us to have to control to see who is bullshitting and such.  Even now that Ace has it's points, I think it needs to earn it's bl victory a little more because the points are open to debate and a little controversial.  Letting them play Daf would just make it so easy for Ace now.

[Typhy]

Aww, how nice - 4v1, including a BL admin.

Let me first point out that my goal wasn't to bring my points from MP5 to ACE. I wanted to prove my point, that the BL points system has major flaws. To do this, my plan was to go from last to first in one night, which, with propper ladder tactics, could've been done in 2 CBs.

Bronto, yes, we CBed DAF 4 times, and and would likely have done more had we had the option to do so. I CBed whatever clan was on ( yes, I know I'll hear it from FiRE on this ), when I was ready to CB. DAF was the most active clan, so we CBed them the most. Quite simple.

What I did was completly legal within the Battle League rules. Had I been forced to use the MP5 name for the rest of the season, I would've done so. Unless you put restrictions on when you can recruit members ( ACE came with a while left, so it'd likely have to be the whole second half of the season ), then there is no way to prevent against what I did.

I understand how you guys feel; Silvio, JustinSane and Nighthawk don't deserve the first place rank because of the work of Mysterio and myself. However, are you telling me that I can't recruit new people? It's a fact - anytime that new members come to a clan who has a high rank, those players don't deserve the rank of the clan who they come to. The biggest reason people make such a big deal about this, is because MP5 was so small. If a clan like MOD, who has close to 30 members ( I think ) recruites 3 people with 40 days left in the season, no one complains, hell, quite possibly no one will even notice. While this may apear different, is there anyone here who can give me a logical explaination of why it should be?

 I don't really care who we play, Infection. You want to move DAF up, and give us Killa, RnT, Dr, or TF6, I won't object.

Ultimo, I'm still trying to work out what you have against me. My most recent idea is that it has something do with what happened in the NBA finals. . .

I didn't start any of this shit, Ultimo. I agreeded with Dan's post. I gave my opinion, I also stated that it'd never happen, you gave me shit for no aparent reason. Next, you go on with your "you begged Silvio to leave KoS" bullshit, even after Silvio told you that it was his choice and idea to leave to start ACE.

Ultimo, this is a serious question: What the fuck did I do?
 

[*DAMN Hazard]

I CBed whatever clan was on ( yes, I know I'll hear it from FiRE on this ), when I was ready to CB. DAF was the most active clan, so we CBed them the most.
 

Hehe, it explains itself. (jking typhy.)

To both Ult and Typhy: if FiRE is not in the finals we have to set up some scrimmages

[Typhy]

It doesn't matter wether FiRE is in the finals or not, we've still gotta do some scrimmages during the time beteween the BL seasons.

I go out of town for two weeks starting Saturday, I get back on the 12th ( I think ), but even while I'm gone, I'm sure that the other ACE players would be happy to set something up.  

[bronto]

3v1, typhy  . actually, make it 2v1, because im not speaking against you. i understand why you cbed daf so many times, i just want to understand:
a) is there a rule against it? no.
b) so why is everyone complaining about it?

also, not that it bothers me, typhy, but instead of asking what have you done to ultimo, i think you should just ask yourself what have you done in general? ultimo isn't jealous over typhy, he is just frustrated with your "bitching" and "sneaky ways" and "deception". i put those in quotes to show that i dont necesarrily support these words, just pointing out the fact that ultimo addressed these things and that is why he is frustrated. windy bronto fly away. ITS PROM NIGHT MOTHERFUCKER!

[Typhy]

Well, Infection kindly dealt with Serp's post.

Yes, there is a rule against CBing a clan lots - the limit is 4 CBs.

I would like to see a reply from Ultimo before I go into any of the stuff you mentioned in the second part of your post.

[KoS Ultimo]

Unless you put restrictions on when you can recruit members  

 Next, you go on with your "you begged Silvio to leave KoS" bullshit, even after Silvio told you that it was his choice and idea to leave to start ACE.
 

THANK YOU GOD

Finally you have proven my point in your own bullshit. You arguement was that we can't put restrictions on your recruitment. But the fact is Silvio made HIS OWN CLAN AND RECRUITED YOU. Your old points from your old clan should not count. Period.


Your own words just fucked you over and this whole discussion should be over. If this isn't evidence enough that AcE doesn't deserve those points then I dont know what is.

BTW fuck the Spurs their gay ass'es had nothing to do with me solving this problem, that was just another way for you to make people believe your side of the story, to get them distracted.

[kos.viper]

So uh, I'm confused.  Who are you people again?

[Mr.Mellow]

We're the Brain Police. But yeah, originally I thought ACE should keep MP5's points because I thought it was just a name change. But if there was an ACE first, and ACE took MP5 players in, it seems like the points should stay with MP5, even with a merger. If ACE went into MP5 I don't see a problem with it. Damnit, why'd you make a new clan anyways instead of just recruiting Silvio and NH and all them? Sheesh. Clans shouldn't be allowed to change names lol. Gets too confusing...Like how DEA shutdown, and all them went to BTs. BTs is just DEA with a new name, like how AgT used to be FBI with a new name, and FBI was just CIA with a new name. Ahh I'm getting too far ahead of myself now. No more renaming clans, damn you!

[|MP|Buccaneer]

I can completely see Ultimo's point.  It's all in the sequence of events.

If MP5 had recruited 5 new players before the deadline, then decided to change their name, I would completely agree with them keeping their points.

But if two clans merge, this is where it gets tricky.  Do they get to say the clan with the most points is the one they go with?  Do they get to add the points together?  Should it be decided that the bigger clan swallows the little one, and it's the bigger clan's points that are kept?

It's confusing that Typhy wanted to join AcE, then he merged his clan of two with AcE, but they kept the points.  

The real bottom line is, of course, that Typhy and AcE figured out the way to do it and keep the points, they just didn't figure it out before they tried to do it the other way.  So, should they be punished for that at all?  

My opinion is, I don't think they should be punished now, but, the Battle League does need to figure out what to do when someone makes a dumb mistake in the first place.  And what to do if two clans with points decide to merge (even though it seem obvious that the the clan with less points will always join the clan with more points, unless they are really stupid and like the other name, but what if a clan of 20 with 50 points wanted to merge with a clan of 4 with 100 points.  Is it fair to give them the 100?).

But, if there are two clans on the ladder (AcE did ask to be on the ladder before the merge if I remember correctly), and they want to merge into AcE, they should get the points that AcE had, not MP5.  

Just my opinion.

[Ace]

Bah!

Get a new clan name, I'm so lost...

[Typhy]

I hate to word it this way, but I can't think of another: It doesn't have to be fair, it just has to be legal.

What I did was completly legal. Because I tried to sign up ACE after the deadline, technically, ACE was never involved in the Battle League. I simply got new members in MP5, and changed the name. Legal? Yes.

There. That's all that needs to be said. What I did is legal under the current Battle League rules. End of story.

[Idle Eyes]

No that doesn't mean it. However I have Typhy's word that he is co-leader and in the members section of the Ace website. All members even Silvio appear as the same. No one is indicated as "THE" leader.  I only know from Typhy and Silv that they are both the heads of Ace.

I can't understand why you are so upset Absalon. Same players of MP5 + some new ones(who already played together for a while)- other names. No big deal.

Mauti

Guess he had already fooled Mauti...

Btw, on their Roster page, it clearly only shows Silvio being the one and only Leader...  

Guess Mauti didn't take time to do his own proper research

[Think]

...I simply got new members in MP5, and changed the name

Silvio never joined MP5, because he never changed his tag to MP5 Silvio, so you're a lying sack of shit!  

IMMEDIATE BAN!  

Who's fooling who around here?   Looks like Typhy had pulled something big!  Is it too late to punish him for it?  

I mean, he is still lying to this point!

BAN

BAN

BAN!

[KoS Ultimo]

Typhy you didnt recruit Silvio into MP5 and change name. Ace is his clan thats my whole point you moron. Silv is leader, not you. HE RECRUITED YOU

whatever I made this thread to point it out, not to change anything

[Killa_Absalon]

Man Ultimo ur fast...I complained about a week ago about this bs, and nobody helped me with it. I totally agree with u, Silvio started ACE and typhy started MP5, 2 total different clans! Well, ur too late, its over now.

And I agree with typhy, with the Skill ACE has (and they really have much skill) they deserve the points. A well, lets just kick our asses

[Mr. Lothario]

     Jesus Penis Christ, people. Typhy's right, this was legal, as pointed up by the fact that Mauti approved it (which, I'll remind you, makes anything legal). I urge you to take a look at the RS ladder and it's 8 "active" clans, two of which had one CB all season. Six actual active clans. Six slots in the finals. Yeah. It's not as though this whole AcE-MP5 thing is taking food out of your mouths. Even without getting MP5's points, AcE would have been in the finals. Look at how low the bar is. A drunken paraplegic could get over it. The fact that AcE got MP5's points doesn't change a damned thing, and while your faces have taken on an attractive shade of blue from your screaming, you can safely drop it now.

[0 Kilz:M:]

Seems funny to me that Typhy ( ex-?K wingman ) is always involved in shady shit.

So basically Ace could'nt join the BL because it was more than half over, so Silvio and Typhy found a way to team up and cheat the system. Fair enough, just no bitchin when you see the shit I pull next season. I figure with enough smoke and mirrors I can win the bl without ever cbing anyone....hmmmm