BT - MOD glitch issue

[BTs_eight]

Hey Sabe and Mauti...

Yeah i modified my post in the drop box and sent an email myself to mauti....

I understand if a member was glitching (What we call glitching) it is an unfair advantage.... and i agree with that rule if someone for example was at battlefield and shot everyone without being able to be shot...


But to come under fire drop down and shoot all 3 guys and also get shot by the last in the last minute then say we loose the whole cb because he did that... which NOW we know that there is a wierd glitch there.... I dont think anyones ever seen that shit.

I dont even play POW camp at all....

Also keep in mind that BFG is behind a router and we were experiencing some wierd jumps and lags here and there....

I personally lagged when in the CB and wolf did this i saw him shoot on guy then all of a sudden it jumped and it said "GAME TIED"

thnx

[Saberian 3000]

If ya want to see how the player was playing hit f1 then look at the view from ure guy.  It clearly shows that he was glitching through the wall.  Ya see many times when you glitch you dont see the wall in front of you cause you are looking right through it, but this footage clearly shows that it was full on glitching.   Personally I believe that he did know what was going on but that is not up to me to determine.  Plus you would think that we would have been able to get him especially if we were in 2 locations and he was in one that we knew for a fact that he was coming out of and had covered from the start.  As easy as it was for me to get the first shot on Nova earlier in the game from twice the distance, it should have been cake for me to nail him there.  Plus it clearly shows what I had saw through my eyes while trying to shoot him.  There is really no excuse here and this game should be considered a loss to BTs because of the obvious glitching.

[Fusion]

Pleases send me that replay...

fusion@battleteksquad.com

Thank you.

[BTs_Lone-Wolf]

First:  Saberian if youre going to bitch and moan about something, do it in one forum, just going to two forums to say the same blatent insults over and over again gets redundant and wastes everyones time.  

Second: You stated specifically that i was knowingly glitching, and yet, i wasnt.  Funny how that works, since i know what exactly was going through my head at the time, and it wasnt "oh goody, lets BLATENTLY GLITCH with three people staring straight at me and see if i get away with it!"  most people dont take that course of action, but, unlike you, im not going to make assumptions about how you work.  

Third: As i stated in the post in the drop box forum, i have never in my entire ghost recon career ever seen or heard of someone glitching in such a manner.  Now that i know that it does exist however, i will never do it again.  

BTs_Lone-Wolf

PS - If you are really as desperate to win a CB against us as youre making yourself out to be, try challanging us to another one, and this time dont suck.  

Oh yes, one more thing...    kiss it

[Blitz]

FIRST OF ALL, Lone-Wolf, grow up.  

Second of all, View the cb threw Skillz's eyes, slow the rate to .25 when it comes to the glitch, notice the fire coming threw the wall? Also, when Lone-Wolf leans over, he is shooting at BFG, not at Skillz, so how can Skillz be killed? Is there another client mod here?  View it many times...

Blitz

PS, sorry about the post in the cb drop box.

[Toxic::Joka]

Can u send the replay to

joka@battleteksquad.com

Wasent there but i find this hard to belive

[BTs_eight]

Ok here is my problem with this whole thing.

Your saying we "KNOWINGLY" glitched you correct?
Your saying you would like the win 6-0 because of this correct?

Your saying a team thats ranked #2 and has beaten you fair and square with a score of 4-1 before.... would rather cheat in order to beat you?

I find this EXTREMLY hard to believe.

You think maybe if we did cheat we wouldn't need it with you guys? If anything i would rather cheat against c| Lin since he is harder to kill... BUT NOT MOD... No offense bro... But seriously..

Yes I agree that his gun was through the wall. But I don't understand why you should get a win because all he did was drop down and started shooting at whatever he saw...

If anything yeah we will redo the match... maybe even the cb since beating them 4 times in this cb, i guess didn't count either?

See for yourselves we have nothing to hide...

Replay is available for your viewing pleasures from our site.

www.battleteksquad.com/MODvsBTs.sit


Thnx!

[Fusion]

After reviewing the MOD vs BTs replay several times, Lone-Wolf was NOT knowingly glitching. If you watch the replay and look through wolf's eyes not F1 you will clearly see that there is  a clear shot with the wall and door jam to the right of him. If i was him i would have done the samething not knowing it was a glitch. So you cannot say "he was clearly glitching". That is a crazy statement.

[Nova]

sry mod, but we are good enogh to win against u without cheats.....

i was surprised when wolf killed u all, while only last one shot him.....
why?!? coz i saw the wall and the right side of the door.....
i never thought that wolf glitched until u started this post and blamed us glitchers.....

it was glitching if u see it from ure point of few, and u see him glitching with 3rd person view or another f1 view.....
but u will notice, that he just crouched and shot.....
why havent u mentioned it right in the break when u started to mail this replay everyone of ya clan?!?
we would have made a break..everyone watching the replay and report each other what we are thinking of.....
and we would maybe be able to redo this map.....
and we would have agreed, coz we saw that we "accidently" glitched.....

but u guys keept quiet......continuing playing the cb.......maybe with the thought. if we lose, we will tell that glitch to the damn league ppl

it would be "unfair" to say "we glitched obviously, knowing that u glitched, and that we did that, because we would have lost the game"......
otherwise it would be "unfair" from ure sight of view, if we ignore this.....

so how about not counting the cb?!?
and do a fair redo!!
and if there are any glitches, tell it us immeditelly so we can handle the problem before we win/lose a cb!
redo with the same players......

i think thats fair!
u get ure chance to beat us, and we were punished cause our "win" wasnt counted.....
what do u think??  

greetings BTs_Nova

[Nova]

i noticed something else in the replay......

if u are watching the cb from skillz view u will notice that as soon as wolf is peeking to his left, to shot skillz, he suddenly "warps" towards the wall, and is suddenly lying right on the groud and he is able to be shot.....

this shows, that wolf was not knowingly glitching......
from his point of view he was at the door......but not his body......
after he peeked to his left, his body warped to his right location.....
u will also see, that his body will "move backwards" to the stairs when he reaches the ground......
normaly u stay on your position, or ya body moves a little bit further......

i seems to me, that it was more a problem of the game, not a glitching problem.....

his head was right infront of the door.....but then he was moving backwards.....
be sure to watch this moment with 0,25speed!!
and when he peeks, his body is on his location before his body moved backwards!

greetings nova

[BTs_eight]

Who's to say your clan hasn't glitched all other clans out there?  It's lucky that MoD caught this and turned it in.  Seriously, we don't know how much glitching you've done in the past, only that you've been caught for it now.  Glitching is NOT acceptable and full punishment is only fair.  Glitching shouldn't be tolerated and thanks to your teamate glitching, your team takes a loss.  It is your duty to discipline your clan, and if you don't, then BL will once again step in and let you know how these kinds of "accidents", simply aren't tolerated.  I mean, seriously, that's the obvious excuse "I didn't do it intentionally.  It was an accident".  Yeah right...

Hey if any clan out there wants to call us glitchers fine.. they too have the option of saving replays and announcing it to the Admins...

You think he did this on purpose? Fine Just download the replay yourself from our wonderful server http://www.battleteksquad.com

We have nothing to hide...

But Nova does have a point.... You don't say much until you loss the cb...

GRRR must be a MOD you can tell because only MOD guys write MoD.

On the other hand this replay shows the true camping skillz of the MoD Squad...

Good games! NOT!

BTs 2 - campers 0

[Nova]

damn i really need to register to edit my posts

i can see this "moving back" of wolfs body, from sertbians view, too.......
better than from bfg`s view, but even there u can see it......

u wont recognise this fault by the game-engine, if ure not watching it with 0.25 speed......
yeah im repeating this, but its necessary to watch it with this slow motion!!

i just want to show u, that wolf hasnt made anything wrong, that it was the game`s fault!

[Saberian 3000]

Ya see, here we go again, I tried to be civil about this with Lone Wolf and we both agreed that neither of our teams would write anything down about this situation until Mauti made some sort of decision, however Eight has opened his mouth again.  To be honest, I am not sure, but the simple fact is that it is clear that you did glitch.  Pure and simple.  I have heard excuses from Eight about the whole thing that:1.) it was because of the router that he was sticking through the wall  2.) BTs is the #2 team and they wouldn't do that.  The simple fact is that BTs was under  suspicion because of problems associated with the NV mod, and there were admissions by BTs about involvement with other cheats.  Then you guys get caught at this.  You can say what you like but the replay says it all.  Lone Wolf whether it was intentional or not, it obviously was glitching, and Lone Wolf had to have known that because of the obvious headshots that were being shot at him.  Eight, even you admit that it was glitching, so how can you  deny it?
     Ok here's the deal, ignorance is not a defense.  The simple fact is that you're clan, having members that obviously know every part of the game, including how to mod it, are saying that you had no clue about the wall glitching that occurs in POW camp.  Plz man, dont play me.  Plus you were under that suspicion from the last cb but we didnt save any of the replay's.  That is one reason why we wanted to CB you again, was to see if it was true.  Again I dont know if it was intentional but it looked like it because by rules of BL he didn't stop the cb and/or kill himself because of it.  I was not about to stop the CB because I wasnt sure at first if you guys glitched cause I could not see too well through the sa-80 I was using, but that is why I did ask BFG to save the replay so we could view it later and see if you were glitching as I was suspecting.  Ya see if ya weren't glitching, we would have honorably accepted our defeat, and the win would have been yours, but this was not the case.  Eight, being the #2 clan you have much more to lose then we do.  So it makes sense that you guys would try to win at any way possible.  Again, it is not a fact to me that you would do that either, but it does make sense.

18.   Cheating/glitching is not allowed, that is why it is called cheating. If you accidentally do so by stacking in barrels, walls, etc. You must tell others and commit suicide. If you cheat and gain an advantage (blue dooring on city street or disappearing on Road hill, etc.) your team loses the game.  

 I am not sure because u cheated this means we win but it does say that you lose.  I would be content that we dont get any points but you guys lose 20% of  points for glitching in the game and take a loss.  The rules are specific, but it does not say speciafically how many points we would get let alone if we win.  Just because someone loses does not say that it is at 6-0.  In reality you did not stop the game to  let us know that it was an accident, so therefore we assumed nothing till we saw the replay of the game after the CB was done.

[BTs_Lone-Wolf-]

Ok Saberian, im dealing specifically with your last paragraph in the post, in which you say that we should have stopped the match when we "knew i was glitching"  the thing is, that if you look from my view it is impossible to tell that i was glitching in any way, therefore it would be IMPOSSIBLE for us to see in any way that anything had occured.  I have said again and again that it was a completely unintentional accident, which i promptly would have notified you of HAD I KNOWN ABOUT IT.  But, seeing that i did NOT know it was a glitch, i made no comment.

If you expected me to see and identify a glitch that from my view is impossible to see, can i expect the same of you, who COULD see the accidental glitch, to say something about it?  Why didnt you voice anything about it until after the CB, and yet expect me to catch it right away?

Lone-Wolf

[[01] Dark]

the thing is, that if you look from my view it is impossible to tell that i was glitching in any way, therefore it would be IMPOSSIBLE for us to see in any way that anything had occured.

That is true, I watched through his eyes and If I was him I wouldnt of been able to tell I was glitching but that is also the case for hole glitching is it not (and that isnt treated kindly). I did see that Lone wolf was glitch but as I said he didnt know he was doing it.

[BTs_eight]

Come on Sabe your joking right?

Ok... First... Yes if a member is glitching or is stuck in anyway he must comit suicide.

By watching the replay IN NORMAL SPEED!
You can see that the whole thing happeneds within a second.
So underfire what would u do? Would you walk up to the door standing up and get shot? maybe thats the MOD way...

Here in BTs if your underfire DROP AN SHOOT!

AND FROM WATCHING IT THROUGH LONE WOLFS EYES:
you would noticed that he can't tell he was glitching.
All he did was drop down and started shooting at everyone....


I've said this to everyone...

DOWNLOAD THE REPLAY AND WATCH FOR YOURSELF!
www.battleteksquad.com
BEFORE MAKING ANY DESCISIONS VIEW ALL ANGLES!

AND YES WE DID NOT STOP THE GAME TO SAY IT WAS AN ACCIDENT.

AGAIN LOOK THROUGH LONEWOLFS EYES AND THEN YOU TELL US IF YOU THINK HE WAS GLITCHING!

Sabe said:
" In reality you did not stop the game to? let us know that it was an accident, so therefore we assumed nothing till we saw the replay of the game after the CB was done. "


So i ask you this? If you don't tell us we were glitching, until after the CB and you can't tell that wolf was glitching from his eyes...

HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO STOP THE CB AND TELL YOU WE WAS GLITCHING IF WE DIDNT KNOW IT WAS HAPPENING?!!@!

We found out about the glitch afterwards when we saw the replay.
If you would of said that he glitched then an there i would of watched the replay... said hrm... that was a bit funky after watching it from Sabe's eyes... then i would of agreed to redo that same match...

But dont wait till the game is over an you loose a CB...

AND PLEASE DONT TRY AND SAY WE GLITCHED YOU LAST CB EITHER...

that was a 4-1 win clean and fair otherwise you would of said something about it.... Not wait till now...

[Saberian 3000]

Ok, first off STFU Nova, u were worthless for any ty pe of commentary when you were with Diesel and you are worthless now.  If ya have some,thing so say that has completely nothing to do with the problem at hand, dont say it on here.  As for Lone wolf, I do  agree that it is possible that you might not have known, but again I will say that I am going by the information that is presented to me.  Ya see, Lone Wolf, you cant even keep a simple agreement at hand.  We made an agreement to let this shit stop here last night and first thing I see whenI wake up is Eight opening his mouth again.  So why the fuck would I trust any of you guys.  And as for not talking to you directly about it.  I dont have to.  the only thing I have to do is present the evidence.  Now why would I talk to someone I dont even trust and that has been found guilty of lying to me in the past.  This was the last part of the conversation we just had yesterday right before I went to sleep:

+MOD+ Saberian: So I apologise for beingso foreward
+MOD+ Saberian: I do not mean to do that but I just state what is written before me
+MOD+ Saberian: ok I believe you with the NV mod
+MOD+ Saberian: cause I have no proof otherwise
+MOD+ Saberian: And i dont truly trust Dragon anyway
+MOD+ Saberian: He was always a lying shit
BTs_Lone-Wolf: ok, but you still are saying i knowingly glitched
+MOD+ Saberian: So u didnt use the NV mod
BTs_Lone-Wolf: no, i never use it
+MOD+ Saberian: ok
BTs_Lone-Wolf: i dont even have the file
+MOD+ Saberian: fair enough
+MOD+ Saberian: I believe you
BTs_Lone-Wolf: ok
+MOD+ Saberian: All we can do now is have Mauti review the recorded game
BTs_Lone-Wolf: ok
+MOD+ Saberian: If he says u guys wearnt glitching then I will agree
BTs_Lone-Wolf: no, i agree that i was glitching, after watching the tape, that much is obvious
+MOD+ Saberian: I wont say anything else as long as nothinng else is said on BL till it has been decided
BTs_Lone-Wolf: the fact that it was not done on purpose or intentionally is what i am disputing
+MOD+ Saberian: ok
+MOD+ Saberian: I dont know for a fact
+MOD+ Saberian: It just seemed that way
+MOD+ Saberian: I do not know for a fact that you did it on purpose
+MOD+ Saberian: I am not you and dont pretend to be
BTs_Lone-Wolf: thank you
+MOD+ Saberian: np
+MOD+ Saberian: Sorry for all this bullshit, I did not want to make you feel like shit, I was just going by what was in front of me
+MOD+ Saberian: And of course I must use my opinion
BTs_Lone-Wolf: we'll see
+MOD+ Saberian: fair enough
+MOD+ Saberian: so let us not respond anymore till this has been decided then, agreed
BTs_Lone-Wolf: agreed
+MOD+ Saberian: excellent
+MOD+ Saberian: I am glad we can mutually come to this

Not even 12 hours later you're side backs out of that agreement.  So now, no, I dont believe you.  Sorry =(

[Fusion]

BTs members, STOP ALL TALK ABOUT THIS SUBJECT TILL MAUTI RESPONDS.

[BTs_eight]

Ok...

I just want it to be known... You made the agreement with wolf. I just replaied to your accusations...

I didn't see wolf till today....

As for opening my big mouth? What have i said thats not true?

Did you not camp? YES YOU DID
Did it look like a glitch from Saberian eyes? YES IT DID
DID YOU ACCUSE US OF CHEATING IN THIS CB AN THE OTHER? Yes you did...

Why should i sit back and let u accuse us of cheating without having a word to say?

AGAIN DOWNLOAD THE REPLAYS!

www.battleteksquad.com

[Saberian 3000]

See this is what I mean, eight you wont stop.  Yes we camped as did you for the first 5 min.  I mean just look at lone wolf for the first 5 min.  He did the same thing we did.  As for us waiting and camping, true we did, but that is not illegal.  Now I cannot accuse you of something I have no proof on.  I said you were under suspicion for it.  I did not blatently say I accused you of it.  I cannot do that because I did not get any info on the last cb so therefore I have no proof to such activity.  We all did wonder about some of those shots though, that is what I was saying.  This is only the first time u guys were caught at it.  How do we know that you didnt before.  Hmm, well again it all comes to you're word on the subject.  And well, since every time we have had an issue you guys have lied about it I am forced to believe in favor of cheating.  Plus going by the fact that most of the time when people say they have nothing to hide, they are lying.  Also the simple fact that being ignorant is not a defense for anything.  So you throwing truths at us about us camping that last game, yes it is true, but again it is not illigal and not cheating.  We knew the only way to beat a strong offense is a good defense, so if that is camping then yes we are guilty.  But I will agree for the second time not to add anymore until Mauti Replies.  So we will stop this here, and wait for the reply.