Warez or not?

[0 Kilz:M:]

I was thinking, ?Since the Raven Shield demo is a free download, would it still be considered warez for someone to port it over to the mac so we could all enjoy a free demo for now?? And if it's not warez, will somebody please do the port? I suppose Scott would have to agree to this as well to alllow some hosting it on gr.


On a side note, I have a 8mb video card in my imac, so games look ok but not good, does this mean if I get  new comp with the NVIDIA Geforce2mx card that my graphics will display at 4x better than they do now, and both geforce2 and geforce4 are 32mb, so what's the difference?

Thanks, Kilzo

[[[EUR]] HoloGram]

The Ram of your card only say how many DAte it can handle at once the more u have the better it is - but it also depends on your Chip how many Date it can handle - so if u have a chip that cant handle more then 64 MB u dont see any peformence plus.

The Difference between the GF2 MX and GF4 MX  is that it is an more developed produkt with some new features but not more.  

Between the GF4 MX and TI is a big deferrence . THe TI Groupe is the Better choise. Gf2 Mx and Gf4 Mx dont even differ much in performence.

[*DAMN Mauti]

Lol Kilzo obviously you don't know much about how your comp works. That's not an offense I just find it fun how naive you write:"will somebody please do the port". If it would be that easy all games from the PC would be avaible for Mac too. First before you can port a game you have to port the graphic engine which is probably the most difficult and time consuming part and then you have to port the app itself. To do so you have to adapt thousand pages of code and change it so the Mac architecture can read and execute it.

Generally once an engine runs it doesn't need very long to port the game. Look at all the recent games that use the Quake3 engine(SoF2, MOH,...) came out only a few months behind the PC version.

Once the Unreal Warfare engine is ported someone will also port Raven Shield(Raven Shield will be released in february 2003 for PC).

Bye,

Mauti

[kos.viper]

GeForce4 MX isn't 32MB.... 64 MB of DDR
GeForce4 MX  has a ton of difference between the GeForce2 MX, but it's basically the high end GeForce3

I used to use a GeForce2MX but never had a chance to use it in GhR (sent it to ultimo)

[*DAMN Mauti]

"but it's basically the high end GeForce3"

No that's not correct the GFORCE 4MX is worse than the GFORCE3 because it is an updated version of the GFORCE2. Same with ATI Radeon 9000 that is worse than the 8500Radeon. The 9000 bases on the 7500. I know it's confusing but the companys play with the fact that most people think only because it has a higher number the card is better.

[[[EUR]] HoloGram]

TThy for support. But the Rad. 9000 bases on 85000 but with less renderring engines and piplines:

8500 had 4
and the 9000 has only 2!

But concerning the GF2 and 4, Mauti is right! ( also me ) GF4 is am upgrate of GF2, evry GF3 owns a GF4 in 3D.

But I have NVIDIA so i buy ATI!

 G64A is the correct chip name - Rad 8500 and 900 has the same chip name

[[[EUR]] HoloGram]

lol. my fault RV250 is the call name of the chip. But both has the same though.

[0 Kilz:M:]

ok, so the Nvidia geforce2mx is a decent chip right? I basically want something that can handle ghr, rvs, and future games without having to worry about upgrading my chip all the time.

[*DAMN Mauti]

Thanks Holo however the point is that the Radeon8500 is more powerful than the Radeon 9000

Kilzo I would wait until the Radeon 9700 with 128MB RAM ships for Mac. This card should be able to handle Raven Shield UT 2003 and also Doom3. Shouldn't be that long because it is out for the PC since one or two months.

[Jeb]

the doom 3 alpha that was leeked a few months back averages 11 fps on a radion 9000
so no matter what your gonna suffer if you buy your dream computer now.

[[[EUR]] HoloGram]

I run UT2003 with my ATI Rad 8500 64MB and Athlon XP 1800+ with 99 fps. SO i think the ATI si a good card - wait for 9500 its cheaper then the 9700 and it has the same features - RAMDAC is a bit slowwe i think. But still enough power. GF2 wont be enough for newer games. GhR should work well on a fast computer with Gf2.. But u need at least 900 Mhz to run it beatifull and fast

[ShadowBox]

    Both the GF2MX and GF4MX are pretty junky cards when looking for a card to play GhR and future games like RvS and UT 2k3. The current offering of the GF4MX is only a 32MB card whether you get it in a 17" iMac or the Dual 867. The one that came standard on the QS 933 and QS Dual 1GHz was a 64MB card.

    If you are looking for a good currently available card you have in order of performance Radeon 9000, Radeon 8500, and Geforce 4 Ti. When Ati finally decides to release the Radeon 9700Pro for the mac, that'll be the card to have for any game.

[Mr. Lothario]

     The high-end graphics cards are always $400. If you wait a month or so, until the DirectX 9-compatible cards are released, they will be $400 and the Radeon 9000 and GeForce 4Ti will drop to around $150-$200 as the second-tier cards. They'll be good enough to handle games for awhile, and buying then instead of now will save you some money.

[[[EUR]] HoloGram]

The Radeon 9000 is not at 400$ here in Europe it cost arround 150 ? ( 9000Pro) and 100? 9000. B/c of the dollar being a bit stronger then the EUR The cards must be a bit cheaper in US.Or being at same level.

[SiGmA_X]

GeForce4 MX isn't 32MB.... 64 MB of DDR
GeForce4 MX  has a ton of difference between the GeForce2 MX, but it's basically the high end GeForce3

I used to use a GeForce2MX but never had a chance to use it in GhR (sent it to ultimo)

Wow. You sure show your un-knowledge of video cards. The GeForce4MX (Any model) is just a slightly better GeForce2MX. It is the NV17, while the GeForce3 is the NV20. The GeForce4MX is a outdated card, just as the GeForce2MX is, being they use nearly the same architecture, and the only real difference is clock speed and RAM type, which won't help much with such a old core. If you are looking for a 'high end GeForce3', look for the GeForce3Ti500 (or the Ti200 if you want 128MB of RAM with a little slow core/RAM timing.)

ok, so the Nvidia geforce2mx is a decent chip right? I basically want something that can handle ghr, rvs, and future games without having to worry about upgrading my chip all the time.

Simply, no.

Kilzo I would wait until the Radeon 9700 with 128MB RAM ships for Mac. This card should be able to handle Raven Shield UT 2003 and also Doom3. Shouldn't be that long because it is out for the PC since one or two months.

While I agree that the Radeon 9700 Pro is worth waiting for, why not just get a GeForce4Ti4600 right now, being they are out and out about $250, vs $350-400. Sure, you get a little bit more speed from a Radeon 9700 Pro, but it won't be noticeable in games. It does do better in pixel shading, but currently that is just used in benchmarks (mostly, not fully.) And, if you are going to spend $350-400 on a video card, why not wait for the GeForceFX to hit the marked (February-March) and get a truly DirectX9 compliant card?

the doom 3 alpha that was leeked a few months back averages 11 fps on a radion 9000 so no matter what your gonna suffer if you buy your dream computer now.

This is because the Alpha is not compiled for desktop cards, but rather workstation cards. If you had one of those wicked upper end workstation cards, you would probably get 60-100fps. Just a guess as to the speed though.

    The high-end graphics cards are always $400. If you wait a month or so, until the DirectX 9-compatible cards are released, they will be $400 and the Radeon 9000 and GeForce 4Ti will drop to around $150-$200 as the second-tier cards. They'll be good enough to handle games for awhile, and buying then instead of now will save you some money.

Very nice Finally, some one who knows what they are talking about But, you missed a few points... :-\ The DX9 cards are going to be taking a while to come out, being the DX9 protocol hasn?t been finalized (Correct me if I am wrong.) and the first card that will be DX9 compliant will be the GeForceFX (Unless ATi slips something in..) and it won't be around until February at the earliest.. And a little pricing info:
GeForce4Ti4200: $150+ ($139 is lowest I have seen it)
GeForce4Ti4400: $190+
GeForce4Ti4600: $250

The Radeon 9000 is not at 400$ here in Europe it cost arround 150 ? ( 9000Pro) and 100? 9000. B/c of the dollar being a bit stronger then the EUR The cards must be a bit cheaper in US.Or being at same level.

True The 9000's are floating around $90-110..

[Typhy]

Dear god Rom, think you used enough smileys? Next, un-knowledge isn't a word. "Lack of knowledge" would be propper grammar.  Also, space those quotes a little bit away from your writting, that way it's a lot more readable.

Just wondering, will the Radion 9700 be avalible in the mobility model for powerbooks?

[SiGmA_X]

Dear god Rom, think you used enough smileys? Next, un-knowledge isn't a word. "Lack of knowledge" would be propper grammar.  Also, space those quotes a little bit away from your writting, that way it's a lot more readable.

Just wondering, will the Radion 9700 be avalible in the mobility model for powerbooks?

First off, I will make words if I want to :p I use quite a few similes normally.. Do you have a problem?

Secondly, no. The Radeon 9000 is available for PC laptops, and is really nice. One of my friends just got a Pentium 4 Mobile 1.8GHz, with a 40GB HDD (5400RPM), and a Radeon 9000, and damn does it game

[Typhy]

Uh, actually Rom, the Radion 9000 is avalible for the Powerbook g4 1Ghz too. ( I just ordered my 800 a bit to early. ) I was wondering though, will the 9700 be avalible for powerbooks?

[SiGmA_X]

Uh, actually Rom, the Radion 9000 is avalible for the Powerbook g4 1Ghz too. ( I just ordered my 800 a bit to early. ) I was wondering though, will the 9700 be avalible for powerbooks?

I don't follow Mac releases, but I guess I should for the sake of being a member of a Mac forum.

I don't think that the Radeon 9700 will ever be in a laptop. All brands have two models launched at the same time (well, 3 really, but 2 chipsets): Mobile (Same chipset as budget), and Desktop.

[[[EUR]] HoloGram]

Sigma the first DX9 CArd released will be RAdeon 9700! not NVIDIA FX.