heisman hopefuls

[tasty]

As far as the Heisman trophy goes, in my mind only one man unquestionably deserves it at this point: Iowa State's Seneca Wallace. He has led a team that wasn't even ranked at the beginning of the season to the #9 spot in the nation, and has restored national respect for a program that according to ESPN.com, won the third fewest games in division 1 in the 1990s. He defeated 15th ranked Iowa, vanquished Nebraksa, and now moves on to #2 Oklahoma this week. He also almost upset Florida State, but his game-tying touchdown at the buzzer was called back in one of the worst calls I have ever seen in college football (a fact largely agreed upon by most experts). He is a natural leader and works with a team that is far less talented than the other teams that have heisman contenders on them, like Miami, Ohio State, and Oregon. He does more for his team than anyone else, and he does it well, whether it be threading the needle in heavy traffic, scrambling for huge gains, or throwing the long bomb for the TD. In short, Seneca Wallace has built a huge program from nothing, and he is the motherfucking shit and should win the Heisman in a landslide vote. Seneca Wallace is what the Heisman is all about.

ESPN article stating why Seneca should win the heisman: http://msn.espn.go.com/page2/s/whitlock/021017.html

ESPN's weekly-updated Heisman watch: http://espn.go.com/ncf/heisman/index.html

[EUR_Zaitsev]

Sorry I am pulling for Bowling Greens QB
and Ontario Smith of Oregon

[tasty]

bowling greens quarterback isn't in the running, whoever he is, (and he probably sux anyway) and Onterrio Smith, as I said earlier, cannot match Seneca's achievements when compared within the context of the team he had to work with.

[Bondo]

As a Big 12 person, I totally agree about Seneca Wallace.  Although I do not see how Iowa State could have won the third fewest games in DI...they weren't THAT bad of a team ever really.  They haven't been a bowl team but they do get a few Big 12 wins.  Baylor is the team that really sucks, they got their first win in Big 12 play in four years against Kansas two weeks ago.  I don't have the stats but I just don't buy that Iowa State was that bad.

Anyway, I'm going to be watching when Iowa State comes to Boulder in November.

[tasty]

bondo i got that stat from the ESPN article (the first one i linked to, the one defending why he should win it). it was surprising at first, but then i realized that all of their bowl games came in 2000 and 2001. they had some really ugly seasons before that. anyway, go hawks, and go seneca (I'm the only Hawkeye I know that wants seneca to win).

[|MP|Buccaneer]

The QB for Bowling Green is Josh Harris.  Learn the name, you'll see it in next year's Heisman running.  He's only a Junior this year.  But he is good.

I like Byron Leftwich from Marshall and Charles Rogers.  Rogers is a long shot and a half, being a WR.  But I think he is by far the best WR in the NCAA right now.  I think he plays better then Moss did when he was at Marshall.  Or better then Desmond Howard when he won the Heisman.

[Bondo]

The real question is, when and will Bowling Green play or beat anyone of significance.  I haven't been seeing them upsetting top 25 teams so I don't care if they are undefeated, just like Marshall and Tulane of years past.  Seneca Wallace has been performing against top rate opponents and will continue to.

As for Rogers...his team stinks...and he isn't really able to do anything about it.  A Heisman winner should be able to make his team win.  He just isn't doing that.  Sure, he is averaging over 6 catches, 100 yards, and a touchdown per game, but his team is 3-3.

If it isn't Wallace it should be who it should have been last year, Ken Dorsey.  Or *cough* Chris Brown, the best back in the nation, the hell with that Ohio State guy.  Or if Air Force goes undefeated then Chance Harridge should really be given a...chance.

[Ace]

As for Rogers...his team stinks...and he isn't really able to do anything about it.  A Heisman winner should be able to make his team win.  He just isn't doing that.  Sure, he is averaging over 6 catches, 100 yards, and a touchdown per game, but his team is 3-3.

There is no doubt that Rogers is one of the best wideouts we have seen in a while, but there is also no doubt that he won't win it the way his team is playing right now. However Bondo, this is not his fault. I don't care if you are Jerry Rice, NO receiver can take a team on his back the way a QB, RB, or maybe even a truly dominant MLB can. Yet the Heisman voters probably won't take this into cosideration.

[Bondo]

I think the only way a WR can do it is if they play DB and Kick Returner as well.  That way they increase their impact.  That is why Charles Westbrook was able to win it.  Even if his QB struggles, he can make a difference.

[tasty]

HAHAHA charles rogers WAS having a good season until him and his "teammates" came to iowa city for a 44-16 trouncing, where the Hawks held him to 30 something yards and no touchdowns. I was at the game, and he didn't do jack shit.

[Deadeye]

bowling greens quarterback isn't in the running, whoever he is, (and he probably sux anyway)

wow, and you almost had me going until that brillant statement.  considering that josh harris has also taken an unheard of mac team into the rankings and you just discount him. and he is a junior.  

teams schedules are made years in advance, so you can't hold it aganst a player that he doesn't play against ranked teams (bowling green only played one ranked team so far).  all you can judge is how they play against their competition.

i also predict that isu will start getting it's ass handed to them, looking at their schedule, and that a big 10 lad will be bringing home the statue.

[PsYcO aSsAsSiN]

I dont think Seneca Wallace will win the Heisman because quite frankly, he will get his ass handed to him by both Oklahoma (at Oklahoma) and Texas (at Texas).

Looking at that, his only game against a decent team this year has been the season opener at home against Florida State, where he lost.

As for Bondo saying Chris Brown is better than Maurice Clarett, you are wrong. While Brown has more rushing yards (about 140 due to longer TD runs from scrimmage), no one is more important to his team than Clarett. Clarett thus far has accounted for 90 of his team's points - tied for the NCAADI lead with Chance Harridge, a QB and more than all of the kickers (who generally have the most points). For clarification, Chris Brown only has 60 points worth of offense. Take away Brown's 300+ yard romp at Kansas and he becomes a mediocre to decent back at best statwise.

Back on topic: Because I see Wallace getting raped by Oklahoma and Texas, Dorsey will won the Heisman if he can run the table again with Miami (although Va. Tech looms large at the end of the season).

P.S.: That is bullshit that you would switch your allegiances to a rival QB and hope that he wins the Heisman, Tasty. That is like me wishing that Carson Palmer would win for USC or that Ace wishes that Rickey Manning Jr. would win for UCLA.

[tasty]

As far as the two assaults on me?

P.S.: That is bullshit that you would switch your allegiances to a rival QB and hope that he wins the Heisman, Tasty. That is like me wishing that Carson Palmer would win for USC or that Ace wishes that Rickey Manning Jr. would win for UCLA.

I want it for the state of Iowa, who generally will get no respect for their academic or sports programs no matter what they do just because people have ridiculous prejudices against Iowa. If Seneca/Iowa State gets more respect, than the state of Iowa gets respect and that respect will extend to the University of Iowa, who is also having an excellent season. By the way, when you asked what other talented teams Iowa State has played this year, you forgot the University of Iowa, currently ranked 15th in the nation. You also forgot their upcoming games against ranked opponents Kansas State and Colorado that are sprinkled in between their big Texas and Oklahoma games. Iowa State actually has one of the toughest schedules in all of college football. If they go even 4-2 in their last 6 games, Seneca will undoubtedly be in the top three candidates for the heisman.

and?

wow, and you almost had me going until that brillant statement.  considering that josh harris has also taken an unheard of mac team into the rankings and you just discount him. and he is a junior.  

deadeye, i discount this player because i have never seen him referenced as a potential candidate on sportingnews.com or espn.com, my two main sources for football news. I also don't know about him because I don't own a TV and therefore never watch ESPN, foxsports, or see any of the college football games besides the Hawkeye ones, which I attend in person.

[Ace]

Want it for the state of Iowa? Bullshit. Do I want UCLA to win for the city of Los Angeles? Hell no. I want them to go 0-11 year in and year out. I'm sure Sin wishes the same fate on USC. Frankly, there is no acceptable reason to root for your rival.

Also, USC has the toughest schedule in the nation.

[|MP|Buccaneer]

The funny thing here is that Deadeye, who played college football at UofM, still cheers for Ohio State and Michigan State (and any other Big 10 School), as long as they aren't playing UofM.  He wants the conference to be strong, and UofM to be strongest.  He doesn't even want Ohio State to lose to anyone else, and the OSU UofM is one of the biggest and longest rivalries in football (right behind the over 100 years of UofM Notre Dame).

And tasty, you really have a complex about being stuck in Iowa, don't you?  No respect?  Who says UofI gets no respect?  I mean, they haven't done much lately to earn it, but still, they get more then Northwestern.  And I hate to tell you that if ISU gets that respect, UofI's doesn't go up, it actually goes down a little with me.  What were they thinking letting a recruit like that get away?

[Bondo]

Also, USC has the toughest schedule in the nation.

Where did you get that bit of info Ace?  Your ass maybe?

[tasty]

2 notes?

And tasty, you really have a complex about being stuck in Iowa, don't you?  No respect?  Who says UofI gets no respect?  I mean, they haven't done much lately to earn it, but still, they get more then Northwestern.  And I hate to tell you that if ISU gets that respect, UofI's doesn't go up, it actually goes down a little with me.  What were they thinking letting a recruit like that get away?

For one thing, Seneca Wallace was a juco transfer from California that started at ISU as a defensive player. So a better question should be what was USC/UCLA/whatever other teams you guys might cheer for doing letting him get away?

For another, Iowa and ISU have done quite a bit to garner respect lately, such as Iowa State going to a bowl game for the 4th year in a row and Iowa for the 2nd as of this year. These are huge programs in huge conferences, and to compare Iowa football to Northwestern is just plain an insult. I don't have a "complex" as you say about living in Iowa; I merely recognize false beliefs held by many about the state (not that football has anything to do with how good a state is) and the schools there.

And Ace, as far as your USC-UCLA example, it doesn't hold true for Iowa/Iowa State because programs like UCLA and USC have more storied football histories and get respect no matter how bad they are. I root for Iowa State every game they play except when they play Iowa. I have friends that go to Iowa State, and growing up I never really had any big allegiance between the two since both my parents went to out of state schools. So I don't really think its harmful to root for both. A person can have more than one team besides just his "#1" team.

[|MP|Buccaneer]

These are huge programs in huge conferences, and to compare Iowa football to Northwestern is just plain an insult.

Hate to break it to you, but Northwestern is in that same huge conference as Iowa.   I'm pretty sure they've been to the Rose Bowl more recently too (before all the BS Bowls started).

[Bondo]

Yes, and I believe the coach that took them there went to the Fiesta Bowl with CU last year  .

Anyways, that USC-UCLA thing doesn't really apply to Colorado either.  People pick sides in CU-CSU and Air Force-CSU (and I assume Air Force-CU if they get that started back up like they say they might) but outside of that I know few people in Colorado who don't want Colorado teams to win.  I think California is just full of embittered sports fans...or maybe too many sports teams.

Finally a thing to consider, Iowa has one of the most storied Arena Football teams ...after all, Kurt Warner played for the Barnstormers.

[|MP|Buccaneer]

Yes, and I believe the coach that took them there went to the Fiesta Bowl with CU last year  .

Yeah, always hated him for breaking his contract with Northwestern that way.  Good coach, bad move.