R6/RS (and all these other games) Suck Now.

[*DAMN Postal Worker]

Why has one of my favorite kind of games turned into a pile of greased stool?  R6 and RS have turned into a single shot version of Quake.  No longer (if they ever did) do people rely on tactics, ambushes, and teamwork.  What's the #1 tactic on GR these days you ask?  Well...it's a little thing called "rushing". If there was anything anti-R6 series, this is.  Snipers no longer play a role in this.  Stealth is non-existant.  It's all circle strafing and PDWs.  It's a slaughter-fest in tactical uniforms.  

You enter a room with a bunch of guys, right?  Hop into a game in say...oh I don't know Depot (seems to be the most overplayed map since CSL) and it turns into a 4 on 4 battle for chokepoints.  

Moving in squads...whats that?  Team play?  Never heard of it.  You mean theres other guns BESIDES the PDW??  Your joking, right?!?  

I'm just sick of what the R6 series has turned into.  If your gonna run around talking nonsense, circle-strafing only using one weapon and not thinking as a team...then go play UT.  Go play Quake.  Go play something other than a TACTICAL shooter.  (Notice that word, fellas?  Tactical...ohh, what a concept)  Think about it.  

From now on I don't think I'll be playing these games very much, unless its with someone who actually has half a brain and uses it instead of blindly running around a map spouting mags and talking shit.

Thanks for your time.

(I'm sure to get some nasty comments about this, but what the fuck do I care?)

[Grifter]

Hey PW

That's not all fair.  Rushing is a tactic and can be done with teamwork.  We usually have a couple rushers with sniper cover, rushing from different angles to flank the guy or get some crossfire going....

But I do know what you mean about some of it....

For me it's the guys that C4 camp in 3rd person.  using the 3rd person so they can see you, while you can't see them.... put the c4 into a corner that you wont see until it's too late and BOOM.... no contest.  It's fine when they do that crap not in 3rd person, because you have a chance... they have to set it up so they see you, but you don't have the chance to outrun the delay in the charge... but not too much time to just waste them before getting to it.  Using C4 with a SAHBS is just as bad as 3rd person camping, btw.

[Bondo]

Well, if I'm an example of things, stealth was never an important part of  R6.  For the most part, no one I know really uses stealth, rather they just out think their opponent with hbs and positioning but not really with stealth.  Then there is me whose definition of stealth is running out in front of three enemies and getting them to miss a lot while killing two of them...or being hit by about 30 bullets and dying.  Still, I don't think stealth was part of R6 but tactics were and are still an important part.  And I think that is why R6 is better, it keeps a faster pace to it than RS while still having an advantage for tactical players.

[Destructo]

I seem to remeber a constant use of the CAR-15 in R6. Other guns, eventhough there, were non-existant.

PW, just like you, I am all for team movement and such, but the fact is, if the other team is not moving as a team, 1 guy can get behind you and eliminate your whole team with a frag, or just plain old gun spray.

Just because you don't move like a whole team, does not mean you are not working as a team, or have any tactics. Well for my +-Kos-+ clan anyway, we move through the level parallell to each other on the map, but in different rooms etc. You cover more ground like that, and if you do get in trouble, your teammates are closer then further away.

If there are enough ppl, my team anyway, is always moving as a 2 pair team, because that's the way we like to play.

PW, i think if you ask someone to pair with you, anyone, they will with no hesitation. Just becasue you don;t do every movement with go codes and slow moving objectives, does not mean that it;s not a tactical game. Actually if you think about it, if everyone did tactical movements with teams of 4, they would get slaughtered, b/c your all bunched up like a ball.

and snipers no longer play a role, b/c the maps are not made for snipers. they are made for rushers.

[*DAMN Postal Worker]

Ok, snipers were a bad example.  And this is just my opinion...if you dont like it...oh well.  But I for one am tired of seeing 5 newbies come sprinting at me with PDWs...then say "Hah, I got Postal...he sucks"    




(Only people who I know get to say that to me...Cause I actually do suck, lol.)

[.vooDoo.]

hmmmm, are you referring to our game the other day PW?? Probably not, but it seems a little ironic that you go and post this.

another question, how does someone surpass noob status. Ive only been playin RS for little more than10 months now. Would anyone call me a noob??? Ive gone through 4 clans and have been leader of the last 2, leavin fbi to start AgT, and now added to the list of BL admins. I enjoy playin RS and will continue playin until RS comes out with another game.

For me it's the guys that C4 camp in 3rd person. ?using the 3rd person so they can see you, while you can't see them.... put the c4 into a corner that you wont see until it's too late and BOOM.... no contest. ?It's fine when they do that crap not in 3rd person, because you have a chance... they have to set it up so they see you, but you don't have the chance to outrun the delay in the charge... but not too much time to just waste them before getting to it. ?Using C4 with a SAHBS is just as bad as 3rd person camping, btw.

and btw grif, although i do hate that also, didnt swat use that c4 "tactic" all the time. I saw you many times in Seb1 jamming in the building on blue opening the 1st door and placing c4 at base of next door to electrical room.

[.vooDoo.]

oh, and grif, thx for help on the vid card, my ATI 8500 is on the way.

[PsYcO aSsAsSiN]

you double posting newbie voodoo ?

God, I remember the days when everyone thought the PDW sucked because of the small ammo and that jammers were worthless...boy have times changed. All I have to say is that I have rotated four guns whenever I play RS (it has been like this for me for over 1.5 years now in RS) PDW, AK-74, SPAS 12-gauge, 6K and the M4 carbine. Of course, the latter is my standard gun.

ALso, I agree with grifter here...rushing is a good tactic if you have backup. PsYcO's owned most 2-4 v 11 games because we always had a couple people rush with sniper support or "air cover" as I like to call it. Team rushing is one of the if not most dominating tactics in RS. (I forget R6 after so many years)

However, strafing is for homosexuals - no exceptions.

[Grifter]

and btw grif, although i do hate that also, didnt swat use that c4 "tactic" all the time. I saw you many times in Seb1 jamming in the building on blue opening the 1st door and placing c4 at base of next door to electrical room.

You may have seen someone(s) from SWAT doing it... but not me.  And it may have been one of the reasons I left at that time....

[Brain]

i agree with postal worket entirely
i came into a coop game the other day and everone was just geting slaughtered

i quckly suggested(read told) to them what they should do(ie 2 teams of 3, point guy always took left wall 2nd always slid onto the right and the 3rd had hbs, etc)
and lo and behold, after they followd simple tatics, we wiped the map with one casualty. dont read that wrong, i'm not saying i am a great tatician, what i am saying is that tatics(even siimple ones) can both improve the experience, and improve surival rates

rs is a tatical game, and frankly, it should be played that way ( i am still trying to find someone else who plays like me, tatically)

another thing about the guns, i have noticed that your taste changes as your skill grows, first i liked the aug, then the m4, and now i like the mp5's(i swich between them regulary, and will break out the pdw in cqb situations)
the latter ones require more skill to land the bullets neccessary to kill  someone. with the m4 and the aug all you need to do with the those is land 2-4 rounds  and they are dead(so spray and pray can be fairly effective at close range)

these guns have a purpose, what people need to learn is what they are

[*DAMN Mauti]

Yep I know what you are talking about Postal - we also  often tried to set up teamtactics in the past but the lack of meetings in GR made them worthless.

So what to do Postal!? Do you come on GR regulary to play RS? Tell me a day and time and...

bye,

Mauti

[PsYcO aSsAsSiN]

aug, then the m4, and now i like the mp5's(i swich between them regulary, and will break out the pdw in cqb situations)
the latter ones require more skill to land the bullets neccessary to kill ?someone. with the m4 and the aug all you need to do with the those is land 2-4 rounds ?and they are dead(so spray and pray can be fairly effective at close range)

Brain Brain Brain...

Any newbie can use the PDW and it takes virtually no skills. PDW is the fastest firing weapon and has one of the highest accuracies in the game. Point and fire. M4 however has piss poor accuracy after the first 3 rounds go off so you need to learn the art of burst fire...not full auto like the PDW.

My choice for cqb maps is the SPAS 12 gauge...take that puppy into the training maze and you are virtually guaranteed to win if you dont get shot in the back or lack the ability to use a shotty effectively.

[jn.loudnotes]

Voodoo...through no fault of your own, you will always be a newbie in our minds.  Sometimes I still even think of Grifter as a newbie (no offense intended)

Why?

Because I've never played against him.


After you've had a game a year and a half and retired from it twice...people who are experiencing it for the first time still seem new.  10 months is plenty of time not to be called a newbie, but since I haven't been playing during those 10 months, I wouldn't know you.  You are just as new to me as if you just started playing yesterday.

I get the same sort of thing from other gamers who had the game even before I did.  The ones who kept playing didn't view me as a newbie, but those who had already quit by the time I came along (jan 01) view me as just as new to this as you are.

[*DAMN Postal Worker]

Mauti, I'm usually on anywhere from 12pm EST to 10pmEST. I know this conflicts with the time in Austria...but heh, what can I do?


Oh, and another thing...guys...there IS NO BEST GUN (In Rogue Spear.  I know the CAR-15 and G36K are the mainstay in R6)!  Get this straight.  When people ask (stupidly I might add...) "What is the best gun?  What Should I Take" ....please...for the love of god, please tell them there is NO best gun.  They all have different uses and purposes in the maps.  I mean, would you really want to take the PDW for a sniper roll?  How about an M14 for close combat?  The SPAS-12 with buckshot in a map like Desal Plant?  Hardly, kids.  PDW for things like Killhouse and CSL maybe.  M14 for Sib 1 and Ruined City. SPAS-12 for the Met maybe...where you have some body buildups in those chockpoints, lol.  But guys, please don't tell them the best gun is the PDW.  If so, they'll stick with that gun forever.  If there was a best gun...why the hell would you put the other 20 or so in the game?  Why have an expansion pack (what UO was really) with MORE useless weapons.....well...ok, AW Covert is pretty useless, but you get my point.  

Anyway, I'm out.  Have an enjoyable day, kids.

[Supernatural Pie]

PW, that's exactly what I do when someone asks me what the best gun is. I say, "it depends on what situation." And then they say, "overall" and I say "there is no 'overall' best gun." PDW's are good for close combat, rifles for sniping, mp5's for assault with some open areas and some small rooms, g36k and g3a3 and carbine when you want some real power, etc. Then they continue to be noobyish and say, "but which is the best?"

Oh and voodoo, you forgot to mention...you're the leader of the #1 clan on the ladder right now.  

[Grifter]

Voodoo...through no fault of your own, you will always be a newbie in our minds. ?Sometimes I still even think of Grifter as a newbie (no offense intended)

None taken.

Especially since it's true.  You guys didn't know me on GR before I started playing RS and switched my name to Grifter.  I never really played R6.  (my first account is in the 20k range).  I'll always be a newbie in the R6 crowd...

[Brain]

Brain Brain Brain...

Any newbie can use the PDW and it takes virtually no skills. PDW is the fastest firing weapon and has one of the highest accuracies in the game. Point and fire. M4 however has piss poor accuracy after the first 3 rounds go off so you need to learn the art of burst fire...not full auto like the PDW.

My choice for cqb maps is the SPAS 12 gauge...take that puppy into the training maze and you are virtually guaranteed to win if you dont get shot in the back or lack the ability to use a shotty effectively.

like you said, i cant use the shotty to effectively, so i go with the pdw, in cqb situarions, but normally i will stay with the mp5a4(or the sd version) or the mp5 10/a2(or is it a2/10?) depending on the armor used

i use the pdw as a specialized weapon, not a catch all one, and i am not affraid to use an assault rifle or snipe if the need arises. right now shotties are the only guns that i am not  proficient in using(and i am working on fixing that)

[Destructo]

All i have to say is this...

I'm sorry, but if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

like a stated b4, i'll rush your 4 player team and i'll kill u all with one nade.

And, if you really think about it. They good pll who know how to camp properly make the game interesting b/c if everyone rushes all the time and barells full tilt around a corner, then KABLAMO, lead face. Notice i said, camp properly, meaning, a good hidden spot, and always moving spots, alternating. Not a psyco assasin sit up and snipe the windows all day..lol

Even though the maps and the game is a total rush atmosphere, i've gotten picked off a few times but well placed and hidden ppl.

I would like to know, if i am considered a noob, vet, all-star or plain old ass kicker.

I'm doing a survey for..ummm..school, yea school.

[Mr.Mellow]

?I mean, would you really want to take the PDW for a sniper roll? ?How about an M14 for close combat?

I dunno about you, but I think the M14 and the g3a3 are one of the best cqb guns in the game..They fire pretty high-powered rounds, and you don't have to aim when you come across someone on a corner. All you have to do is get in close, hold down the trigger like a newbie, and gun them down..meanwhile, while they have a PDW, and are barely even hurting you with their fire, they're already dead. Its not very tactical or sophisticated, but it gets the job done almost everytime.
   Also, I hate that I don't see much use of suppressive fire in RS. The "lag guns" are almost always banned, because of newbies never letting go of the trigger(which causes the lag, from what I understand) and SAW campers(Like me..hehe). I think I'm done ranting now. m00t!

[Cow]

M14? mb but the best gun in the game by far is the Skorpion.  What other gun offers such great features like the 20 round clip WITH 7.65mm rounds j/k.  But hey its not bad.  Id say there is no best gun there is only a favorite.  So a newbie askes "whats the best gun?" Say the AW Covert and soon they will realize you are full of shit and they should stop asking that question.  I have never thought about the M14 or the A3 Mr. Mellow and i will try these.  The PDW is not the fastest firing the Skorp is and the Skorp is the most accurate =P.  
-Cow