*NADS

[Jeb]

I did an experiment, I joined hosts such as Rob, Pyrex, and Tiger under random AK names, I was booted because I had the clan name AK on. Thats what we have to put up with. The reason for this, you dislike Rapid, my responce to that, get the fuck over it.
 

Cry me a fucking river, you have to put up with that shit because rapid has tarnished the Ak name so much with his bullshit ever since you learned how to warez RS. If pyrex was booting you from his game i'd congratulate him, since rapid seems to have most of cunt and kos on the ignore list were does that leave us joining your games?

You said that you were mad at Ak cause rapid was bringing it down, well i think anyone coulda pointed out that. Tell rapid to sack up and be mature, and alot of the BS towards him and AK will end.

The thing is though, rapid doesn't realize this, and he thinks that people hate him because he is a great RS player (he has said this many times), not because he is imature and he shoots his mouth off alot. Fuck, look at how swat was, they were the best and no one hated them because of it.
People don't hate a clan because they are good, people hate a clan because of the Cloud of bs that encircles it.

well Jeb, we can own you at Rogue Spear with those 5 active members, bring it - Oh wait, I forgot, you don't battle us because we "Take the game to seriously". Geek? You calling me a newbie? Bring it, anytime, Rogue Spear, 1v1. It's a fact that I've been on GameRanger longer than you have

Oh wait, we don't cb you becasue you bothered me to much for so long that i said we wouldn't cb you, not to mention that your clan leader says nothing but disrespectful things about many gr members and clan mates, also when ever there is "BS" in a cb, there is a high likelyhood that it was a cb that AK was in.

if you saying that you've been on gr longer than me? i'd say you better have a low ass user number then, cause my first acount was in the 1400s. i talked bigpat into trying out gr almost a year after i started using it and his user number is 18,000 something.
jeb
ps. outa the 12 cunt members 10 of them were online today

[AK_Rap1d]

Jeb, I guess you'll never stop being pathetic.  All I get everyday is people telling me how lame you're being talking shit on me behind my back.  And why is this?  Because "Typhy asked you to CB too many times" and I fought fire with fire against any shit talkers on me who happened to be some of your friends? Yeah, I guess that should bother you...[sarcasm].  I guess since you're mind is so locked in on hating me and my clan, you can make anything out of nothing.  That's why you're always butting in other's people's deal and even helping or instigating others to do deeds that are punishable.  I guess since you're getting off on this so much, you won't be able to stop now, but one day you'll look back and see how much of an idiot you made out of yourself.  Keep up the pointless drama and just watch it keep backfiring not only on you, but those who you involve in it...  (Is jeb's behavior acceptable?) (oh yeah, freedom of speech, as long as he doesn't lead the next parade of clowns to do some stupid BS like this site mocking...)

Also, I would like to take the time out to thank Mauti and Bondo and congratulate them on running such an effective BL and representing it with such respect and honor.  You make perfect role models and I only hope others not only learn from your actions, but start to follow them.  Thanks guys and Great Job!  

[*DAMN Mauti]

I can only shake my head. I just was in GameRanger and iMat and Tech are telling me that my decision was wrong and that I am arrogant. Well but what both missed is to tell me a constructive solution for this issue. I also invite all *NADS to tell me suggestions how to punish only the responsible persons.

It is really obviously you can all insult but not making only ONE constructive suggestion. I think you are all obsessed that I want the worst for *NADS. You are totaly wrong I don't have any feelings towards *NADS. It is my job to keep the league for all clans fun. If one person uses his time to disturb other clans instead of playing cbs he is wrong here. So I ban him. Unfortunaly Capt is the leader of the clan so I had to ban *NADS as well. Except *NADS is going to find an intern solution. Also the site is still up which doesnt show that they want to change their current situation.

Another nice statement in the chat today was "nowadays a clan leader has nothing to say and no importance" Lol especially the TOP clans have all  a strong leader that stands up for his clan. Capt was this person he could say just an example I have done something that damaged my clan I retire so that *NADS can still participate at the BL like politicans do if they have an affair or something else...

I was told to be neutral - Well I am neutral I would have done the same if another clan has the same problem. I have to lead a league that is about a game(s). Statements like fakewebsites improve competition are ridiculious. It ends that one clan ignores the other clan.

One rule at *DAMNs clan codex was since June 2000: Be kind in chat kill in game same should be in the BL. It isn't and I tolerate all those flame wars but as I wrote in another post everything has its borders. I also defeated Romulus because he was insulted from all sites although he was a spammer and made perfect dumbass posts. AK has definitive not a white jacket however sometimes people are going to far. And I also suggest Rapid not to turn this into a "victory for AK" because I would have done that for every clan that feels insulted. Also Cookie or whoever posted this we first talked in a normal way 22 days ago(Snake did). And Capt removed the site asap. I warned all clans to stop with such bs but obviously some guys think that are only words.

iMat also says what is wrong to have an I hate a clan site. capt's site isn't an ordinary "I hate AK site" it is a copy of AK's site. You can all have your I hate this clan and this clan sites no problem that's freedom of speech. But copying or redoing a clan site with the only purpose to insult a clan is something different. If you hate me it's ok it's your opinion and I respect this but if you impersonate me and damage my reputation through your behaviour it isn't ok anymore. Same with I hate this clan site and an redone(impersonated) site of a clan. Maybe you get now my point why I think this site is wrong. A person participating in the BL tries to damage a clan's reputation that is also in the league. As a logical consequence I speak with him and if it doesn't show any results I ban this person to stop this bs or at least to show him that it is wrong.

Bye,

Mauti

[Deadeye]

mauti, if nothing else, i agree with you banning him until he comes and talks to you.  you've openly repeated that you are willing to clear this up if there is another side then what you are seeing.  also, there was a warning.

my constructive suggestion is that you draw a more clear line.  this all comes down to respect.  there has to be some minimum level of respect between clans.  i don't have all the answers, but i think you and some of your moderators should try to define that minimum level.  

i think the real reason that people have issues with your decision is that until the ah site, the ak site is the most disrespectful to others (from all the ones i've seen).  after all, ak still has images like this on their site.  along with the old insults, etc.  

i'm not advocating either side in this.  i'm suggesting that the spirit of the rule be more clearly defined.  because i can understand why some people may not understand the difference between the ak site's disrespect and the ah site's.

[cookie]

At this point, I'm really not caring anymore. Mauti, whatever you want to do is your decision because you run this, so I'm not going to whine and cry about being reinstated. The fact is that I can live without this BS, and if you want to let Rapid run your BL into the ground then fine, more power to you. But one thing still doesn't make sense to me: how banning us is supposed to keep the league fun. I think that 98% or more of rogue spear players would agree that while Rapid has always brought the game down and made it unfun, *NADS has ALWAYS been good humored and respectful torwards others. I don't go out of my way to insult and debase someone on GR, I never have. When KoS was pressuring Rapid to CB, I told them to knock it off and he didn't have to unless he wanted to. I respected AK as a clan, but now I can join the majority and say that AK is a dishonorable clan that isn't worthy of my alliance anymore. And if you want to remove us from your BL Mauti, fine, but I hope you have acknowledged the fact that you are letting the MOST disrespectful, dishonest, two faced clan stay in the BL and the rest of GR is going to look down upon this BL for your doing so.

and one final note, you mentioned I could leave *NADS and join another clan if I wanted to play in the BL, well I'm going to stick by my clan until the end (which is far away, I assure you) because this is one of the only clans out there that operates as a team of equals, not as a flock of sheep with a facist ruler governing them... and we don't take the game too seriously.  

[*DAMN Mauti]

Cookie that's what I mean instead of suggesting how to handle this issue you go away offended.

My aim is to stop this impersonating because that has nothing to do with the game itself. Also Capt hasn't done anything yet to limit the damage to *NADS nor an explanation or statement that maybe I don't know the full story.

So what I really want is not to ban *NADS. I want this impersonating website removed, an explanation from Anarchy from his point of view and then I can rethink the punishment. Other solutions would be for example that someone other takes the lead of *NADS as CO Leader as long as Anarchy is banned, Capt Anarchy gets banned for the first month of the 2nd season(isn't allowed to cb).

I also don't know why you make this issue to a Rapid against the whole community war. If you would impersonate the AgT site for example and doesn't remove it after a polite request but AgT still feels insulted because of this I would do the same.

Get away from this "I want you something bad" thinking. That's childish. I just have to stop this impersonating and if I can't bring you to stop to impersonate websites and players my last possibility is to ban the creaters and impersonators.

You don't have the right to impersonate Rapid or AK. I think it's wrong - if this stops I'll rethink about my punishment.

It's up to you to change your current situation but as you wrote you don't care. So what cookie then don't complain if you aren't willing to solve this together.

I don't take this game to serious but nevertheless I have to take the worries and problems of some clans and players serious. That's a difference!

You accuse me not to be neutral but I think the problem is that I am neutral and that I am not supporting your behaviour.

For a common future was once the motive of this forum but obviously you, *NADS, let me alone.

Last but not least if I would be a fascist ruler I wouldn't care about your posts in anyway. I think even if Evill would change his way of leading GameRanger you wouldn't notice it because you are to selfish and you concentrate to much on complaining and insulting. What I am doing here with my posts is to try to solve this but all I hear is you are a tyrant, a fascist ruler, omg you really don't get it that I want a solution for both sides...

Deadeye thanks for your response; about the AK site I never got complains about it from other clans so I never thought about it. I#ll think about an impersonating rule. I have to repeat myself that it's not that you can't post your opinion about other clans(even when they are insulting) but I can't agree with impersonating websites, clans or players!

Bye,

Mauti

[Jeb]

Mauti, i think Bungholio (capt's brother) said he was gone for a few days.
Also rapid, nj on not reading my post at all. I shoulda expected to hear something from you that involved your usual egtotistical low on vocabulary trite words. When you say that i'm posting soaly to piss you off, i'm posting because nads is a friend of (uNt. Shit, i read that chatlog of what you said to Cookie, and what you said about me in there also and then say how i'm not allowed to post under a private topic in a publich forum. You sit here and talk like a little angel infront of mauti, and whine about your always the victum. While on gr its a completely different case.
"don't argue with dumb people cause they don't know when you've won" or more inportantly respond to a post...
jeb
ps. Rapid Remember when you would ask me to suport you in the forums a while ago? well that was before i realized what a asshole you could be. you can also go ahead and say that you've "owned me here" rapid, remember that i'm only sticking up for a clan that i'm friends with. something you don't know anything about.

[cookie]

Last but not least if I would be a fascist ruler I wouldn't care about your posts in anyway. I think even if Evill would change his way of leading GameRanger you wouldn't notice it because you are to selfish and you concentrate to much on complaining and insulting. What I am doing here with my posts is to try to solve this but all I hear is you are a tyrant, a fascist ruler, omg you really don't get it that I want a solution for both sides...

Bye,

Mauti

Mauti, that last comment about facism, etc, in no way was geared at you. I was referring to other rogue spear clans and simply stating my reasons for wanting to stick with my own. I don't think you're a fascist at all.. in fact I think you're being quite neutral about this but you're misunderstanding my posts. I'm not accusing you of taking the game too seriously, I'm accusing Rapid of it. Honestly Mauti, if Rapid spoofed *NADS, i'd laugh. Because it's only a GAME CLAN. Game being the operative word here. I acknowledged he was offended but do you really feel the need to babysit his emotions? This whole clan spoof thing should never have been brought to the BL, if Rapid was a true sport he would have solved it the way he's said stuff like this should be solved before: on the battlefield. He calls out people all the time for "disrepecting his clan", so what makes this different? I also really hate the fact that *NADS has always been amenable to CBs and making things fun with AK, but all of the sudden Rapid does a 180 and gets us banned. Thats why im sour about this whole thing. Sorry if it seems like complaining, I'm just putting my two cents in and trying to shed some light on this. If you'd like Mauti, i'll talk with you about this fiasco and perhaps we'll get something worked out. I'm willing to assume the position for Capt if indeed you change the punishment and he allows me, because that seems much fairer than the current action, however I still expect some compliance from Rapid   Otherwise, competition in the ladder doesn't really matter to me because RS is and always has been just a game to me.

And yes, I do think Capt is away, because otherwise this would be flooded with Capt spam  

[Shade]

all this bashing over the time that rogue spear has been out just makes people either leave or play just to beat the shit out of the clan that they hate. Rapid seems to like saying that its only a game, and yes it is. Capt was stupid to put the site up, but as rapid says its only a game and yet he goes and gets NADS banned. Rapid is being a complete hypocrite here.

[kos.viper]

You guy's type too much mb?  

Hey Rapid, to save your time and others reading your post's, since your position on any subject never change's and everyone of your post's usually express the same idea's, why don't you just save your previous post's, copy and paste them after every other post someone makes?

[Typhy]

Okay, let's start with the post dircetly following mine sence I've not been on the forums for 12 hours... Jeb, you're amazingly stupid on these forums, your saying that random AK deserve to be booted because they support Rapid, that is like a terrorist organization destroying a shooping mall because they are mad at George Bush, He is in charge of the U.S, and we're American citizens, so I guess that they should punish us. - Jeb, that is basically a more "real world" example of what you have said.

Jeb, I really don't care why you think that people hate Rapid, the fact is, that to Rapid, the most important thing on GameRanger is to be able to own everyone at Rogue Spear, and that he can do just fine.

Cookie, you say that *NADS has always been good humored, that may be true, and perhaps it was attempted as a joke the first time, however, they took it to far, they were warned by the battle league not to do this again, and they went right ahead and broke that warning. That is why I support the punishment, they were warned, and they broke it. A rather long post by you, but in terms of actual content, thats about it.

Jeb, the reason that we havn't done somthing in the past that shows sticking up for your friends clan, is because our friends clans are smart enough not to get themselves in trouble.

Deadeye, that immage from the |?K| vs {IAM} time doesn't violate the rules in anyway, it's just a picture of Crow laying on the ground dead, what *NADS did was to take everything from our site, and change all of it to make it offensive. IAM did a little bit of that with their fake Question and Answer thing. The whole diffrence between that |?K| site that the |AH| site is that the AH site is a clear mock site against |?K|, it intended to be a joke at our expense that we will take offense to. The |?K| site is used as a way to transmit information between AK members as well as to the genral public, over our views and thoughts about matters, if *NADS wants to state what happened and state their opinion on it, on their site, then that is 100% fine, it's not okay to make a mock site changing all of the facts. You state the facts, and your opinion, and nothing more.

We all know that Capt. Had to have a role on getting this site on the web, considering that he was the one who was in controle of it, some punishment will have to be served to him and/or his clan, perhaps if he would come defend himself he could get it reduced, I spent sevral hours making long 2 part posts on the CF issue to get 2 months taken off my ban, if you dislike what Mauti has decided, I sugest that you come on here and make your case as soon as you get back from wherever you are.

-Typhy

[(SiX)Ben]

Message was too long. Two posts now.

So much to reply too, I'll start at the top.

Mauti,
    You say that we are only banned becaused Rapid takes it personal. Have you READ Rapid's post. He just cussed EVERYONE out, calling us all fucktards, insulting one of the treasured members of our community (Jeb)... It is clear he didn't read, or maybe just can't comprehend half of what's being said. We avoided cussing, namecalling, etc, until he broke out. This hurts me. Maybe AK should be banned from the BL. I mean, you have given them numerous warnings. When will these warnings stop being warnings and actually take affect?

(responding to your post step by step without quotes )
It's good Capt's not banned, and yes, he is the leader... Maybe he would post if he could, but he's away currently. OMG, people are calling AK AH!? Have you realized there might be a reason Rapid has so many enemies? I mean, look around Mauti. All you see is nice Rapid, who runs to you when hes in trouble. You haven't actually met the Rapid we all have. After meeting the real AK, how can you not make fun of Rapid. Typhy's cool to me on AIM/MSN, Myst was nice to me on AIM too (even though he quit AK BECAUSE of Rapid). Monk seemed like a nice guy (met him once... He's not ever around) Besides Rapid, their clan would be kicking. Maybe you should actually meet the real Rapid before you chew out the people calling AK AH... ($10 says rapid responds, calls me a fucktard, says im arrogant and i should get the point... and say he owned me)

I agree with you're freedom of speech. This is totally different then a middle finger being waved. We have referred you consistently to the AK site, you have seen the IAM pic where rapid is spelled over his body. How is that not offencive?  It's a pic showeing Rapid owns all the AK. Have you read their news, seen their pics? Come on! This isn't an attack, its a counter attack, its a defence.

More coming... I got a message too long. I've been errored 3 times each with smaller incraments.  Maybe 3 posts will be needed...

Ben

[(SiX)Ben]

Let us continue,

Look at Bung's post. He talks about how AK is making a site making fun of (unt. You say you want to make the game fun? How can you make the game fun if no ones allowed to taunt, if no ones allowed to defend themselves. Instead, you're just making Rapid a bully who no one can actually defend against, or they'll get banned from the bl, or chewed out.

This site was meant to piss of AK, I admit. Do you know why the site was made?


You say (unt stole AK's gif. How can you SAY THAT. All they did was getting scrolling graphics. They probably we're even thinking about AK when they did it! I really don't wanna get back into the arguement of the gif, but maybe that's one reason people fight you on this. In my mind this post makes you look biased toward AK. Jeb even said he wasn't thinking about AK when he did this, yet you automatically assume he "STOLE" it from AK. I'm sorry, but that's such uber-bs. He stole  gif just as much as I stole my Rogue SPear cd (I bought it at MacWorld... He made it with some program... Is there much of a difference. He didnt wanna copy AK but you assume he does! WTF? I spose its Rapid talking through you again.)

Now comes the post I want you to read from Rapid. I'll help you read it... Here, I'll even quote it for you! (Ok, so I lied about the no quote thing!)

Jeb, I guess you'll never stop being pathetic.? All I get everyday is people telling me how lame you're being talking shit on me behind my back.? And why is this?? Because "Typhy asked you to CB too many times" and I fought fire with fire against any shit talkers on me who happened to be some of your friends? Yeah, I guess that should bother you...[sarcasm].? I guess since you're mind is so locked in on hating me and my clan, you can make anything out of nothing.? That's why you're always butting in other's people's deal and even helping or instigating others to do deeds that are punishable.? I guess since you're getting off on this so much, you won't be able to stop now, but one day you'll look back and see how much of an idiot you made out of yourself.? Keep up the pointless drama and just watch it keep backfiring not only on you, but those who you involve in it...? (Is jeb's behavior acceptable?) (oh yeah, freedom of speech, as long as he doesn't lead the next parade of clowns to do some stupid BS like this site mocking...)
Also, I would like to take the time out to thank Mauti and Bondo and congratulate them on running such an effective BL and representing it with such respect and honor.? You make perfect role models and I only hope others not only learn from your actions, but start to follow them.? Thanks guys and Great Job!

More to come,

Ben

[(SiX)Ben]

This post was even MODDED. God only knows what other name calling, poo flinging, sarcastic comments he made toward Jeb and NADS... How can you say AK takes offence to our site, but assume Jeb doesn't take offence to this?! You HAVE warned Rapid numberous times, I've seen them, and I've been on the forum about 2 weeks! Granted, he kissed your ass in the end. But Geez, see this, he wants to look good in front of you, but in front of Jeb and NADS, all he does is cuss us out, yell insults... Then says "By the way, great job Mauti"! You just let him do it too. That's the sad thing. How can you say NADS gets banned for a site when Rapid doesn't get banned for this?!

Screw the no using quotes rule... Now to another of your posts...

I can only shake my head. I just was in GameRanger and iMat and Tech are telling me that my decision was wrong and that I am arrogant. Well but what both missed is to tell me a constructive solution for this issue. I also invite all *NADS to tell me suggestions how to punish only the responsible persons.

Again, you haven't seen the real Rapid. The other AK guys are great. I wub my Typhy. But yes, people will say you made the wrong decision. We were provoked. People love their *NADS, except Rapid... I have requested MULTIPLE times you find the cause of why that site went up again. I also request you look into why Rapid is so hated. Trust me, it's not because he thinks he owns, actually, it is...

Heres a constructive idea: Innocent before proven guilty?! It seems like, you, Mauti, are doing the opposite. Have you even looked into why the site was put up in the first place? What about why it was put up the second time. Well, why the hell not? Why not figure out why this is going on instead of just banning NADS and taking Rapid's word for it.

Cookie wasn't referring to you as the dictator Mauti. In fact, I found most of you're rulings fair... Until this recent one.

Deadeye thanks for your response; about the AK site I never got complains about it from other clans so I never thought about it.

Maybe that's because we all don't run to you and cry "He's making fun of us" when we see Rapid bashing our clan again. Maybe we try to handle it on our own, and respond in kind. Of course, with our responce comes Rapid crying to you saying "Help me!" If you wanted all of us to send in Rapid bashing us or our clan, you're mailbox would fill up so quickly, it wouldn't even be funny.

Look at the public opinion. Everyone except you Mauti (Who I assume was fed the totality of the story by Rapid. Don't you think Rapid's be a little biased) Typhy (who is Rapid's sidekick because of AK, even if he himself hates Rapid.) And Rapid argue in the favor of Rapid. We have Shade, Flame, EJO, cookie, myself, Jeb, iMat, Tech, Vip3r, Oso, Geek, Pyrex, Yoda, Cossack, Bronto, Pat, and Casper. This is all just on the boards. Neutral posts have been from Deadeye and Infection. Why do you think so many people are against Rapid? Does oublic opinion count for nothing?

On to typhy posts...

Jeb, I really don't care why you think that people hate Rapid, the fact is, that to Rapid, the most important thing on GameRanger is to be able to own everyone at Rogue Spear, and that he can do just fine.

How can you not help laugh at this? I'm an ubernoob, I don't try to fight that, but on Rapid's host I was killing him as much as he killed me.

Cookie, you say that *NADS has always been good humored, that may be true, and perhaps it was attempted as a joke the first time, however, they took it to far, they were warned by the battle league not to do this again, and they went right ahead and broke that warning. That is why I support the punishment, they were warned, and they broke it. A rather long post by you, but in terms of actual content, thats about it.

We broke it only when asked too... as it's FUNNY. Yes, jokes... Forgot, non existant with Rapid.

Deadeye, that immage from the |?K| vs {IAM} time doesn't violate the rules in anyway,

So, our instance of making fun of Rapid violates enough that we be banned for a year in BL, but that picture of Rapid basically saying he owns IAM... That violates nothing. Funny.

if *NADS wants to state what happened and state their opinion on it, on their site, then that is 100% fine

We fucking DID! Hence our site. Yet we get BANNED.

Blah,
      Ben

[cookie]

hot damn.

enough of this stuff that makes sense, it's time for some irrelevant jabber!

rapid --------->   "I love you *DAMN, you guys are so fair and great!!!!"

cookie --------->  

ummm but yeah, i agree with ben on the whole public opinion thing. Mauti, when will you be able to conference next?

[AK_Rap1d]

Ben, all your actions are unjustifiable and clearly broke Mauti's instructions not to behave in such way.

Funny how you say "We were asked to post it back up", like you didn't have any say so.  All you had to respond is "We can't or we will be banned from BL".  Instead, you choose to do put it back up disregarding the warnings being given to you about such action.

Also, on the IAM incident, I never started nothing with them, they decided to put crappy images on their website, so I simply replied by showing their leader shot up with AK spelled out on him.  Wow, as if I mocked their whole site and advertised the url on GR!  not.

Cry all you want and ask not to be punished.  The fact is, you were warned and you felt above the warning and felt you could get away with what you thought was funny.  Not so funny now.  Especially when I'm not joking around with your clan and I am finding all your unneccesary energy such a waste of time.

Also funny how these people act as if I made their lifes miserable when I have them all on ignore so I don't have to feed into their childish BS!  If I had for example Jeb off ignore, I would hear his daily unneccessary insults that have no effect on me anyway, so I take the time to ignore them and let him grow frustrated on his own.  It worked too since he was part of the making the AH site with a purpose of getting my attention.  It got my attention, now let it bite you in the ass.

Cookie I feel bad for, but not that bad.  When she got back, I told her to please ask  Capt to stop disrespecting our clan by making mock sites and such nonsense.  Her response, "Deal with it".  I dealt with it and now you're mad at the outcome.  If I could've fought fire with fire, you would've all felt ashamed of wearing the tag *NADS.  But restrictions layed down my Mauti prohibited such behavior and I respected that.  Too bad you couldn't.  

So you see, sure you're mad and it's because you got the punishment handed down and not me.  You feel a need to get my attention, and the way you guys go about it, it's simply unacceptable.  Now not only will you learn from this, but all that try to do such non-sense as well.  Hope you got your laughs and hope it was worth it...

Now stop trying to brainwash Mauti into being lenient on a punishment he layed out 23 days ago.  If you didn't want to be punished, you shouldn't have broke the rules/requests.

[*DAMN Mauti]

First I think I'll wait until Capt Anarchy is back and can post or better I can talk with him.

Cookie thanks for your answer and yep I hope we can work this out.

Ben you probably miss my point. First I never said Cunt stole the GIF. Also Rapid was posting bs about the copyrights. I don't want to warm up this issue because that was never one - only a small flame war.

Further we are not discussing why the site was put up. Also we don't discuss Rapid's behaviour here. I had enough troubles with him. Sorry but to discuss this issue I have to stay strict ontopic. We are discussing your ban and website and not AK issues. Blood doesn't justify blood.  You always point at Rapid but also other AKs feel offended by this site because it impersonates the clan.

I can only repeat myself again and again:

For example if you hate me it's ok it's your opinion and I respect this but if you impersonate me and damage my reputation through your behaviour it isn't ok anymore. If you post your opinion about any clan you want on your *NADS site it's ok. That's out of my business: at all clans should be able to handle this on their own as you posted somewhere ago. But the AH site impersonates AK. And with this I have troubles.

Well Capt said he made the site when he annouced the site at the forum. So I think that's proven.

I just want you to stop with  impersonating. I don't want to restrict your freedom of speech only this impersonating of clans, players and websites.

With the 2nd season I#ll add a rule about impersonating so rule #22 is more detailed.

As I stated I want this website offline or if this site is really only about fun(after reading your post Ben I think this site is much more than only a joke) there would be possibilities to publish it like this.  I think you all know actors that make fun about celebrities. They imitate(impersonate) them. If you think about it whats the difference between them and your website. What's the difference if a bunch of people imitate Evill or a guy that puts on your name goes in the next game and teamkills the whole team.

What's the difference in your opinion?

In my opinion it is obviously that the group of people really wants to make fun and changes their names back after a short time. They doesn't hurt anybody. At maximum they are annoying Evill.
Contrary for the visitor the impersonator is hardly to differ from the real person especially if they don't know the real person. They only see someone with your name teamkilling the whole team. The visitor will think what an asshole. The impersonator damages your reputation. Same with the celebrities. The visitor knows what he is seeing an imitator or the real person.

To sum up: It's a ban for an impersonating website, about how long this ban will really be will be decided once the site is offline and I had the possibility to speak with Capt Anarchy who is responsible for the site!

[Jeb]

 the fact is, that to Rapid, the most important thing on GameRanger is to be able to own everyone at Rogue Spear, and that he can do just fine.

 

Why do you always say rapid is the best? i mean i'll admit that he is good, but lastnight he got me 1 time outa something like 10 games. it was using c4, in once of the worst camping spots ever he promptly died after he got me. I didn't even see him get more than 1 kill per game that entire night, and my team was filled with noobs (cossack being a aception). Are you willing to say that Rapid is better than Rob, Oso, ult, gorf and BB. Looking at this from a objective standpoint you won't be the "best clan ever" like you've claimed so much untill you can beat kos. Looking on your website under the "screenshots section"(http://homepage.mac.com/akrapid/screenshots.html). i see nothing but snide remarks about Crow, Ultimo, Dest. btw nice 5 kill owns (hahahaha). First off, were on any other clan's website is such disrespect shown? secondly, how can the "best RS player" only have a few 5 kill owns? its hardly a challenge getting 6, most people won't even take screenshots at 5.

[|MP|Buccaneer]

Mauti, I thought it was just a problem with your word choice (since your english while great isn't perfect, and I try not to get hung up on details), but after your last big post there, I see it's not that.

I have a problem considering the AH site an impersonation of AK.  It is a mock.  A satire.  But to be an impersonation, they would have to expect people to mistake them for AK.  They would have to intend people to think that really was Rapid and company posting.  In my opinion, I don't think that was the intention at all.  It was mocking, I can see how it could be insulting to members of AK, and yes, it probably crossed the line of how clans should act.  But I can't agree that it was impersonating.

So, if it was just mocking gone too far, that goes back to the respect between clans and players that Deadeye was talking about.  If a clan is smearing another clans name, there has to be a line drawn for what is going too far.  Sure, everybody is competative, or they wouldn't be playing so much or care about the Battle League.  But there is a time when it goes too far.  That's what really needs to be defined.

I don't think you are doing anything wrong, I just don't think you are judging NADS correctly.  If it's done correctly, I think it will go a long way to keeping any of this from happening again.

Rapid and Typhy, the AK site comes off as insulting too.  Just not as insulting.  And that Dead posted is as clear of a mock as any single thing on the AH site.  Don't forget where it encourages your members to TK players from other clans (like IAM) on your site too.  That is also a lack of respect between clans.  What you two are doing is arguing the letter of the law.  I am talking about the spirit of the law.  Deadeye was talking about defining the law.

[Typhy]

In a few minutes I will respond to the other posts, I want to start by commenting on yours Jeb, I saw Rapid put up a score of 4-6 against me, ( I won ), in a 1v1. Rapid has slightly better teamwork skills than me, also all games were on my host, I can beat Rob, Oso, gorf etc. And I am pretty damn sure that Rapid can too.