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REDRUM_187
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« on: June 28, 2001, 04:38:43 pm »

Huh

OK MAN i just got this HK-Itd mod  i went to my game to try it out...
new screens awesome
love the gun selection The UMP sounds like the reallife counterpart better than RSE made!!!
Now who in the HELL created the rectile bloom or should i SAY WHO TOOK IT AWAY.
ALL GUNS SHOOT PERFECT!?!?
NOW I HAD A LARGE machinegun with a 100 round clip and i was just testing teh rectiles so i plugged 50 rounds at some guy (on my teamhehehe) and groupped all my shots PERFECT no more than a foot apartlolol
CMON MAN THAT IS A LITTLE STEEP I MEAN I WAS EVEN STANDING UP HOLDING FULL AUTO I WAS AT 1 SIDE OF THE TRAINING MAZE AND HE WAS AT THE OTHER PROB 20 METERS APART....
NOW I HAVE PLAYED THE "OTHER" HK mods by darkstar and jointman and i have to say that yours was the best until i played!?!?
the rectiles just blew it for me
listen I know these rainbow opreatives are supposed to be the best of the best so sumthin like the mp5 or ump might be able to be grouped like youve got them.
I liked the mod but in a way i REMINDED ME OF BSW.....THAT NAME LEAVES A FOUL TASTE IN MY MOUTH....
IF I PICKED THAT HEAVYMACHNGUN IN MULTIPLAYER I GURENTEE I WOULDNT LOSE....
Its just that the rectiles have no bloom at all and yes i like the mod on single playerBUTTT....
on multiplayer i like rectile  bloom because i consider my self kindof an Elite player and on your mod its not the skills that you do have its all about what gun you pick i

I RECCEMEND THIS MOD TO BEGGNER PLAYERS ONLY!!
OR IS THAT WHY YOU CALLED IT A TRINING DEVICE!?!?!

Listen i was also gonna take my time to get the swat mod maybe here you can tell me if the rectiles are like the 1ns found here (damn i spent alot of time ranting  lol)
but beyond that i love all you models and the new stuff thrown in there from the strinGtable PURELY AWESOME
ITS CAUSE THAT STUFF IS SO GREAT THAT REALLY SAVED THIS MOD I THINK.
i STILL LOVE THIS MOD ON SINGLEPLAYER
AND I STILL GO WITH TOTT ON MULTIPLAYER
but i am a man of realism cya later
GL ON YOUR SWAT MOD
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« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2001, 07:11:58 pm »

If you downloaded HK ITD V2.0 I will tell you that all of the weapons (except for the ones with laser sights) are done using the Weapon Stats Generator. This generator is supposed use the formulas RSE made for the RS games. As far as the machine guns I did "tweak" the stats. My reasons for doing this are simple. RSE was dead wrong when they created those stats. Now if you give a M249 SAW to a 12 year old and tell him to fire it, sure rounds are going to go all over the place. My thoughts were that qualified weapons operators are handling these machine guns; Therefore, I set them to what my experiance of 7 years in the US Army Infantry taught me. I was an M60 gunner for a couple of years and I will tell you that the M60 fired in a 6 round burst mode is very deadly (unless you decide you are going to run with it). I know from experiance that if a trained machine gun operator was standing and firing an M60 using a six round burst method, he would be very accurate probably out to 250 meters. Now take that same operator and put him in the prone postition using the bipods he could effectively hit a target out to 1100 meters (Maximum Effective Range:3609.1 feet (1,100 meters))that is why there is next to no "bloom" while you are in the "squat" position. If you look at the ranges that this game is played and it is assumed the operators are not 12 years old and have been trained and qualified in these weapons there is a presupposition that you should not be throwing rounds all over the place. CT, HRT and SWAT operatives spend numerous hours training with their weapons. Do you really think a trained sniper can not engage 3 separate tagets rather quickly, or do you believe that after the first shot it should take him up to 2 seconds to reaquire a target (as RSE has put for their reticule times)? I think Coco would agree with me that our mods are made with reality in mind and not multiplayer or single player playability. Just another exampleof what RSE did. The 12 guage 00 buck rounds RSE created only have four pellets in the round where our mod has 9.(Winchester 2/34" magnum 00 buck)

Here is the RSE stats for the UMP(taken from Rogue Spear):
1.02
1.54
5.19
7.80
14.05
0.70
1.55
1.03
0.30
1
2.5
0
19
Here is our stats for the HK ITD V2.0
1.02=Stopped Accuracy
1.46=Shuffle Accuracy
4.55=Walk Accuracy
6.76=Walk Fast Accuracy
12.06=Run Accuracy
0.88=Crouch Accuracy
0.91=Accuracy Change
0.92=Reticule Time
0.60=Muzzle Flash
1=Zoom Yes
2.00=Zoom 1
0=Zoom No
20=Encumbrance

There is not a whole lot of difference in these stats. Some are lower in our version of the gun and some are higher. I challenge everyone to take any weapon mod and select a machine gun. Take that gun and fire it at a wall 50 meters away. If those rounds are not landing in the size of a standard miltary 1/2 silhouette I would say that particular weapon is not realistic, or is being fired by a 12 year old.
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« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2001, 08:17:48 pm »

Grin Hey, Cobra: HOOAAAH!
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« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2001, 10:16:59 pm »

math!math! Maybe we should include this post in the HK readme lol Huh I am also getting weary of the reticule bloom complaints...
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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2001, 12:25:55 am »

ok i just typed a whole lot of shit and i clicked post and forgot my e-mail so it erased all my shit ill RE-WRITE it when i get time ( ill prob forget sumthin tho)
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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2001, 11:48:54 am »

Thats ok, I do appreciate any comments both positive and negative it really helps us out on future mods to see what people think.
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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2001, 10:56:33 pm »

hey cobra, did 7 years in the US Army Infantry send u to the gulf?
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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2001, 11:14:37 pm »

I was in the Army from 1985 - 1992. I missed Panama because I re-enlisted and went to Fort Irwin Ca, and the bad thing is our unit from he 5th ID stormed the Commadancia. While at Ft Irwin Desert Shield began and turned into Desert Storm. Our unit (the only desert trained unit in the Army) got to train the 48th Brigade from Ga. Thats why I left. All training and no superbowl.
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« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2001, 12:53:08 pm »

Say Coco and Cobra and the rest of your team, I just wanted to say thanks again for the Hkv2.1. Im still playing the hell out of it and having a blast. It looks like the weapons are just gonna get better with each new mod (swat mod looks fantastic). Seems everytime I check back with ya Im saying the models are the best ive ever seen, and they are. Never thought I would see anyone do as well as Nishi. You guys have and consistantly do. Anyway, I cant wait till Swat comes out,You guys keep up the good work.

P.S. I appreciate the attitude you guys display when given feedback. It just shows you are true professionals. You cant make everyone happy, but everyone I know keep playin your mods and download the new ones. The new ones seem to end up in the recycle bin while H&K stays, lol. Thanks guys, best work ive seen. (sry so damn long)
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« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2001, 02:03:06 pm »


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HooAAAhh!!! (A word men in combat arms understand) Grin
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« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2001, 02:29:13 am »

Cobra you go to NTC?
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« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2001, 11:05:30 am »

I was stationed there from 1989-1992. I was part of the infamous OPFOR.
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