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« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2005, 08:49:53 pm »
Quote from: DarK. on May 14, 2005, 08:30:22 pm
Blood and guts, that law is not set in stone, and may one day be changed.  It is the same as murder, and should not be up to choice.

Exactly.  It's like saying we should legalize murder.  Hey, it's morally WRONG, but hell, it should be someone's CHOICE if they want to kill or not.  How absurd.
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« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2005, 09:31:54 pm »
But murder in some cases is considered alright (not by me)... try to tell me the death penalty isn't murder. Or even a war with no purpose (though I don't blame the soldiers) I still consider it murder.

An arguement like that, DarK, goes right back to the arguement "which week was she in when the abortion took place."
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« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2005, 10:09:39 pm »
Krush, day one is considered murder if you ask me.
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« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2005, 10:24:19 pm »
But no one did actually ask you. Let's all go cut a branch off a tree or kill a ant and call it murder. Murder most foul.
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« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2005, 10:32:15 pm »
Quote from: DarK. on May 14, 2005, 10:09:39 pm
Krush, day one is considered murder if you ask me.

So the morning after pill is murder too?
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« Reply #25 on: May 14, 2005, 10:37:24 pm »
Lose, that is like gas on a fire for these folk.
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« Reply #26 on: May 14, 2005, 11:19:18 pm »
Quote from: Mysterio on May 14, 2005, 10:37:24 pm
Lose, that is like gas on a fire for these folk.

Really? Well my bad, I just wanted to see what people define as abortion.  The morning after pill works principally by preventing the ovaries from releasing an egg, by affecting the womb lining so that a fertilised egg couldn’t ‘embed’ itself there and it can be taken up to 72 hours after intercourse. To me that isn't abortion and it certainly isn't murder; if you were to call the morning after pill murder you might as well call masturbation murder. But I really don't know much about the development of a fetus so I was wondering when the line is crossed from ontraception to abortion?
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« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2005, 11:25:51 pm »
Contraception is anything that prevents a sperm from fertilizing an egg.  Therefore, anything that kills once the sperm has fertilized the egg would be abortion.
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« Reply #28 on: May 14, 2005, 11:27:25 pm »
...and thus murder, GS?
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« Reply #29 on: May 14, 2005, 11:31:45 pm »
Quote from: Mysterio on May 14, 2005, 11:27:25 pm
...and thus murder, GS?

Yeppers.  Smiley

That's just my opinion though, as a Christian.  You believe what you want to believe.
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« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2005, 11:37:11 pm »
You just had to tag on your religion, didn't you. If your religion told you that it was wrong to live in a country besides... say.. Ethiopia, would you move?
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« Reply #31 on: May 14, 2005, 11:47:24 pm »
Of course, ironically, his religion said it was okay to take people from Ethiopia, bring them to the U.S, and hold them against their will. But thats another topic.
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« Reply #32 on: May 14, 2005, 11:55:26 pm »
Quote from: dr.spike on May 14, 2005, 11:47:24 pm
Of course, ironically, his religion said it was okay to take people from Ethiopia, bring them to the U.S, and hold them against their will. But thats another topic.

Actually, that is not true.  Nowhere in the Bible does it say that slavery is okay.  Just because some people misuse religion, does not mean that the Bible says to do those things.  But the Bible does say other things are wrong.  Like Murder.
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« Reply #33 on: May 14, 2005, 11:55:56 pm »
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...and thus murder, GS?

You believe what you want to believe.

No, I will not believe what I want to believe because what if what I want to believe is totally contrary to what is true? I have to constantly challenge my beliefs in order to justify (and therefore strengthen) my faith in those beliefs.

But back on topic... So given your definintion of contraception and abortion and my description of how the morning after pill works, would you consider the pill abortion?
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« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2005, 12:02:34 am »
If they were so worried about abortion then would encourage the reasearch of storing embyros removed from a person who doesn't want to be a mother, so they don't have to go through the potentially life ruining experience.
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« Reply #35 on: May 15, 2005, 12:16:41 am »
Quote from: *NADS Lo$eMoney on May 14, 2005, 11:55:56 pm
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...and thus murder, GS?

You believe what you want to believe.

No, I will not believe what I want to believe because what if what I want to believe is totally contrary to what is true? I have to constantly challenge my beliefs in order to justify (and therefore strengthen) my faith in those beliefs.

I meant that in the sense of: "Hey, it's a free country...I can't force my beliefs on you."  Understand?

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But back on topic... So given your definintion of contraception and abortion and my description of how the morning after pill works, would you consider the pill abortion?

Yes, I consider the morning-after pill abortion, because it kills a fertilized egg...which means at that point it ends life.
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« Reply #36 on: May 15, 2005, 12:20:44 am »
You should add in my opinion, because many don't consider 2 cells a form of human life.
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« Reply #37 on: May 15, 2005, 12:24:23 am »
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But the Bible does say other things are wrong.  Like Murder.

And yet you don't seem bothered by the hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people murdered by the US?

What was it we were saying the other day about people just 'fitting' the bits of a religeon they wanted and ignoring the rest.

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I meant that in the sense of: "Hey, it's a free country...I can't force my beliefs on you."  Understand?

But we can stop you from learning about the Theory of evolution, we can stop you from having an abortion, shit we can even stop you from living together if your not married so it seems in some states.
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« Reply #38 on: May 15, 2005, 12:41:22 am »
BFG murdered BY the US or IN the US?  And how can you be stopped from learning the theory of evolution?  A parent has the right to not have or have their child taught that.  Most of the time people who complain dont want creationism taught.  And I dont think the state can stop anyone from living together (they can stop gay marriages at this time)  I want to know what BFG and Spikes Religions are as well, because I think GS is talking about Christianity in General.
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« Reply #39 on: May 15, 2005, 01:43:07 am »
Well, we can stop you from having the same legal benefits of marriage as a "normal" couple might.
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