RAINs - better READ THIS!

[[[EUR]] HoloGram]

LOL

Elandrion you're right! and -- Eigentor -- is the best example for that mistake.

[jn.loudnotes]

Holy hell! I have yet another plot twist to add to this story.

I have seen both Romeo and Juliet on at the same time, but then again I have already noticed that they each have more than one account anyway, so it would not surprise me if "Romeojuliet" got on 2 computers at the same time.

However, there is something else to make me wonder if they are two people.  Last night I talked to Romeo on AIM, (his sn is TheEternalRomeo) and we had an extremely bizarre conversation.  However, his attitude was a little different from Juliet's.

I told him to read this forum, and he goes to the link several times, and each time comes back and says that Netscape quit whenever he went to the site

Well, I didn't know if he was just trying to hide his reaction, so I sent him the website as a file.  After reading it, he basically denied everything, but without the virulent shit about having a bunch of friends in law school.  Belive it or not, he actually sounded innocent.

Well, he still claimed that he couldn't access the site and thus couldn't post anything, so if he is a different person he hasnt' seen these latest postings.

However, another interesting thing---we had that conversation at about 8 or 9 o'clock local time (I think).

Juliet's posting was just a mere 4 hours later.  What does all this mean?  I am not really sure, but I do know that Juliet is obviously not as innocent as she claims to be.  If Romeo is really a different person, it sounds like he is more of the follower.

(Damn I was wrong....I used to think Romeo was the one causing all the problems and Juliet was just his little whore....I mean bitch....I mean...oh who cares)

But anyway, forget about legal action all of you because there's not a damn thing you can do to each other except crash your comps, and that could end up screwing us all.


So I dont' know what to do....this is the worst crap I have seen since I got Rainbow Six.

[**SBR** Gator]

if |RAIN| gets kicked out can the <ArMoR> clan take there spot?? cause you know <AMR> does want to start doing CB soon...

And spammers suck!!!!

[*DAMN Mauti]

Hi,

ok probably Romeo and Juliet are two different persons. In this point I was wrong. Sorry Juliet and Romeo that I thought you are only one big ******* ******* but you act both so similiar so that I really thought you are one person. However I have found out that the second IP ?belongs to Romeo! ?It seems that Romeo and Juliet left or were kicked out of RAIN and are now part of the DAWG clan. However Romeo sent me approximatly 250 mails with Bander's mail account ID
and the other 250 mails were sent by Juliet only using Bander's email address as sender.(You can find the screenshots that prove this in some earlier posts of this thread) Well Romeo's IP was identified when ?he wanted to sign up with DAWG for the Battle League!





As you can see is the second spammer ID identified as Romeo. Well Romeo as a first consequence DAWG will never join the Battle League. ?I hope Romeo and Juliet post a statement about their behaviour here if they dare!
9 days left until the spam attack will have consequences!

[*DAMN Bander]

Okay little (wannabe) bitch:

a few things u wont learn in school:

1. german
2. im not bothered by any U.S. lay as european citizen and i dont think anybody would start a nuclear war about me
3. stuck ur whory nose into my district here and my crew and myself will show u a lotta more "illegal" things that may hurt
4. i didnt say i would attack ur comps for NO REASON. i already got spammed by mongobrain romeo some months ago which delayed my business mail traffic (this could be something for international provider law) and: I just made clear that next time we will response on any hack attacks from u clowns!
5. interesting: DAWG? so dawg is the WETII clan in my eyes. whever takes such nerds into his bound of friends must be an idiot.
6. NINE (9) Days left.
7. Unfair to other RAIN mambers? its not my fault that the management of RAIN failed so far to act against such behaviour of its members. but at last its your and dumbomans own responsibility.

*DAMN (amused) Bander

[*DAMN Bander]

by the way:

ur statement about damn being an evil conspiration crew wich plans to bane ALL people from GR was really amusing:

".... uhhhohh *DAAAAMMNNN WILLL BANNNN YOUHHHHOOOOLLLL!!! BUUUHAAA! uuuuuuuuhhhhh (more ghosty sounds) - THE NAAAAASTY DAAAAMMMNS AAARRE SOOO EVILLLL - BEWAAAAARRRE! "



--- julia


lol - u are such an idiot.

now lets finish whats have to be finished and then back to business.

*DAMN Bander

[*DAMN Bander]

and armor:

clanladder is FREE for all likeable GR Clans who are a challenge in R6 or RS.

u dont have to take over the WET Rains spot. u get a dry and brand new own  

*DAMN Bander

[LOL guys]

(Web Speaking)
Bander and Mauti, you guys are probably the biggest idiots I know.  24.178.25.146 is a proxy that is used by @home users (if wanted).  If you would like to know, Romeo uses the same proxy.  Along w/ around 10000 others in the state of Illinois, good job, track me down some more.  LOL...NOTICE: The IP you probably see is different now.  (64.3.146.254)

and by the way, if you look before the IPs, there are a bunch of x's, that's where the IP of the sender would be. (End Web)  

And as for threatening me? I believe this explains where I think you threatened us. "----- any further disturbances will be answered by a *DAMN reaction targetting at the computer wich is used to crash our games"

And is it just me or does it say your name at the bottom?  Is your name not "*DAMN Bander"  So don't even not say about not threatening me.

And LoudNotes: Your also on my list of threatenings.

"(Damn I was wrong....I used to think Romeo was the one causing all the problems and Juliet was just his little whore....I mean bitch....I mean...oh who cares)"

Well, I'm saying good bye because I have to get to my homework and finals.  I would ask for an apology from you guys, but I wouldn't wanna embarase you guys.  So just leave me alone, I'm sick of this crap and wanna play Rainbow Six again.  Now, it's not the easiest thing to join a game and not get kicked.

Juliet

[jn.loudnotes]

first....how is telling everyone what a bitch you are a threat?

second...do you expect us to feel some sort of sympathy for you and your damned finals.  We're sooooooooooooooo sorry that you can't play R6 without getting kicked anymore.  Serves you right, you and your clever proxy IP tricks.

If you read back on my previous 200-some posts you will notice that I am not much of one to curse, unless it is in German, but now you have me seriously pissed.

So I say:  

Geh weg, du und deine schmutziges Fotze!  Viel Spass ficken deine arschloch von ein H?rensohn "Romeo"!  Verpiss dich!

Bander, Mauti, and Holo please correct my grammar in that, but I think you will get the gist of what I'm too polite to say in English....

[*DAMN Mauti]

Lol Juliet,

I think you are just a bad loser. Your IP isn't 64.3.146.254 in the above post and to write this post from another comp to say that you have now another IP address isn't that hard. Sure in the source code is an proxy/router IP as well but the forum and the haccess doesn't show any proxies between you and me, it identifies the current used orginal IP and as you can see used Romeo another IP. Here is an example of an email source code:

Code:

Received: from [192.168.0.8] ([212.186.154.41]) by viemta04.chello.at
 ? ? ? ? ?(InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license 6aea1bd1f01aef5a9a73363c16ebee43)
 ? ? ? ? ?with ESMTP id <20010531204741.QJJH7937.viemta04@[212.186.154.41]>

?

As you can see is the first IP the Router but the second IP that appears twice is the origin IP and were the x's are is the Message ID beginning with the date.. and ending again with the origin IP! There is no common interface every user just have it a little bit different: Often the router address appears in the message ID and the origin IP appears only once right to the router address. See screenshots from Romeo and Juliet. The  interface is often a little bit different. You are exposed and general ?I don't think that among this 10.000 home user are 10.000 guys that play R6 and send me spam attacks with Bander's private email address/private email account ID that isn't on the website. The first IP is the router and the second is the original one in the most cases. Juliet and Romeo you are exposed! And, Juliet ?it seems your promise to apology if I prove that you are wrong was another big lie! By the way Loud to swear in another language is more impolite than saying it in english. Well swearing at all doesn't help much and should be avoided.

[*DAMN Mauti]

Juliet have you ever noted that you never explicit wrote that you didn't send me spam mails!? Well usually innocent guys write he Mauti listen that must be a real mistake(*Juliet just ignores cool all swearing guys*) it can't be me because.... Well you only argue that we don't have proofs then I come along with good proofs and than you say everything is untrue my reputation is damaged. Lol first Romeo who didn't stole my mapdata but as he wrote used the same car moves,... and now you nah I haven't done it but I chose the IP by accident that shows me as the spammer. Sure Juliet. Well it seems we, you can't come to a point. You just run away, proofed as a spammer suspected as a guy that let games crash, I don't know what to say except that this whole issue is totaly stupid at all and could be solved better than it is now. By the way I got a mail from HockeyGuy:

Juilet tho is tell me that he didnt crash the games and stuff.

General about tkers and crashed games: I have made so many experiences with Impersonators and teamkillers and it was damn hard to say 100% if the guy suposed to be is really this player and not an impersonator I also wasn't online when these games crashed butI am still wondering why the hell you, Romeo and Juliet, sent me 500 mails. Why only because I had no time ?because of my finals to make you a modfile and to add DAWG to the Battle League?
tztztztztz....

Loud, this forum works for Netscape as well as IE 5.0. The forum had only some probs few hours ago but at least now he can read through my postings and proofs!
And make a hopefully useful statement about this story.

[*DAMN Bander]

Heyas all!

"Schleich dich du dreckige Fotze! ?Viel Spass dabei wenn du dir dein arschloch von dem Hurensohn "Romeo" ficken l?sst! ?Verpiss dich!" ---- loud notes

Fotze: (Julia)

OK another pathetic blabla out of the mouth of a braindead person. Jul u are just a big pile of shit. Your cildisch and stupid attemts to degrade Clan *DAMNs and mine reputation in the eyes of GAMERANGER community failed badly.

So - dont argue around now like a dumbass (what u actually prooved to be). Either say sorry for all that shit  u did and promise it wont happen again. Nor with *DAMN and also not with any other clan on GR or private player.

if u think its not necessary to show that u learned out of this silly shit u did - it will be up to the people of GR or scott himself to show u what happens to people wich annoy friendly gamers with Crashes, mailbombs and false accursions.

AND believe me - i WILL find out whatever name or account u use in r6 or rs and post ur current "mask" here. (8 Days left - then a email goes off from vienna to australia)

I didnt hear any statements from that "misterious" RAIN leader or red a post here about.

So RAIN should removed from League as fast as u have time mauti. So clanbattles get real fun again cuz its not a prob for anyone to loose in a fair game to a sympathic clan

BAH - romeo and julia. u dont make ME sick - U are.

*DAMN Bander

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BY THE WAY:

ALL PEOPLE FROM GAMERANGER
WHAT DO U THINK ABOUT MAILBOMBERS, GAME CRASHERS, SPAMMERS AND R6 NERDS?
POST UR OPINION HERE ...

cya all (except the trolls) to enjoy some chilled games

Banda

[jn.loudnotes]

Yeah I guess you're right Mauti.  I won't curse any more in German (or English) on this BB.  Thanks for correcting it though Bander

If you like I will edit that post to remove the swearing....then it will look like it was just Bander cursing.......hehe

[jn.wrath]

I will post here on behalf of the cool RAINs

HockeyGuy no longer plays R6/RS (he's into UT and TacOps now) and doesn't even have |RAIN| on his name. I talked to him and asked him if RAIN was dead, and he said "i dunno" - So.. basically.. RAIN is dead...

Just wanted to cover Hock's ass here as he had nothing to do with this.

[The Secret Cowking]

And now one more clan is lying on the endless burial grounds... rest well
selfnaded by some of his members and vanished from the visible part of the mysterious gamefindingprogram *gasp* - gameranger. rest in peace - or pieces just kidding

Da Cowking

[*DAMN Mauti]

Hi Bander,

I don't think it is necessary to send a mail to Australia. When I have done my finals I will freeze RAINs Battle League account and do some other things. Well it seems that Hockey ?doesn't do much for RAIN anymore:

Code:

Hey, no they are still in RAIN, and we might be disbanning RAIN cuz i dont 
play R6 and RS anymore. Juilet tho is tell me that he didnt crash the games 
and stuff. He sounded pretty serious about it, but i dunno. The only reason 
why i dont wanna disban it is because i like the 5-0 ;) and i got other 
members that still play, not very much tho. I usually play Tactical Ops now 
but im pretty sure when i get bored of that ill come back to r6 and rs so 
thats another reason why i dont wanna disban it. Ill talk with Romeo and 
Juilet about it. see ya on gr.

|RAIN| HockeyGuy

However Bander as I wrote it above you don't have to send a mail to Australia I think it is fine now at it is. They had their judgment day on this forum and yeah if they don't continue with spamming,... , this story is closed for me. Of course an apology/explanation is welcome but it doesn't seem that Juliet or Romeo will do so as a consequence RAIN will be removed in 8 days and, yes ,we will see...

[jn.loudnotes]

First....I wish there were a way to post images on this forum without first having to upload them onto my website.


Second, take a look at this screenshot of my conversation with romeo.  We were discussing having multiple accounts in GR, which as you know if forbidden.  So--I asked him about Juliet's accounts as well as his own.  He accused me of harrassing him.  Then I asked him something interesting....and check out his response.

[Ness]

1st Mauti, i reccomend you try to fiqure out his age.  Why?  
2nd If you ahev real proof, and you think that he is over , say, 25, go to a legal office.   Ask them a few questions.  For crashing your computer and spaming, thats illegal.

[**SBR** Gator]

ness... it doesnt matter what age the person is, if he/she crashes your computer via internet, or computer misuse which it is referred to in legal terms, its a criminal offense. The age only retefies what kind of punishment they will get...

read on... (just so yall know what the legal paramaters are...)
The federal Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, 18 USC Section 1030, applies to all kinds of computer hacking and, depending on the facts, may cover your situation. One subsection of this criminal statute applies specifically to hackers who break into a system and cause damage (although that damage usually must be greater than $5,000) and another subsection deals with the theft of information by hackers. Even if the federal statute did not apply, most states have statutes that criminalize computer cracking. In any event, you can and should report any hacks on your system to the FBI or the local police. Sometimes, what appears as an isolated attack on your system, may turn out to be part of a much larger pattern of illegal activity.

i have a bunch more resources too if anyone needs them... all about internet laws and hacking... oh and by the way international laws apply very well here and can be brought up on internet espionage...

[**SBR** Gator]

"computer crime" (meaning crimes in which criminals use computers as tools to attack other computers to steal money or information, undermine the integrity or data, or deny or disrupt service)

....Computer Fraud and Abuse Act that would enhance our ability to investigate computer intrusions, denial of service attacks, and propagation of computer viruses and, ultimately, provide a greater deterrence to those who might engage in computer crime in the future. In particular, we support provisions that make the penalties match the seriousness of the damage caused by large scale computer crime. The current penalties provide inadequate deterrence, and send the inappropriate signal that a computer crime that could cause millions or even billions of dollars of damage is not treated seriously by the Federal Government. We also support revision of the $5,000 proof of damage provision; S.2448 would make federal jurisdiction attach to the nature of the computer intrusion rather than the dollar value of damage. We have seen many instances where the damage is difficult to determine in dollars, but where the crime is extremely serious based on the nature of the systems that were affected or the potential damage that the criminal could have caused with a mere tap on the keyboard.

so Juliet and Romeo could be brought up on charges from GR for a form of "denial of service" attacks... but it doesnt need to go that far... play nice.... its all fun and games till someone loses an eye!!