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« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2004, 08:45:19 pm »

calling someone a Nazi just because of his or her heritage or citizenship does this.

They were not calling Civic a Nazi because of his heritage or citizenship.  They were calling him a Nazi for acting like a dictator.  There is a BIG difference.  Hell, Civic isn't even German, he's Polish.[/size]
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« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2004, 09:32:02 pm »

wrong, i'm german. i said that i'm originally from poland.

and where the hell did i act like a dictator? did i miss something? lol...
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« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2004, 09:51:27 pm »

Not at all elandrion Smiley


GS maybe this can put it in American persective for u.... That was a Pre Emptive Strike from Mauti- Shock & Awe so you won't do it again.
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« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2004, 10:46:21 pm »

Thanks Elan.

Ghost, why didn't you answer the questions I posed in my post instead of just pointing out a controversial statement?  Please take a moment to consider them before dismissing all the counter arguments against you.

Yes, I know Germany is different from the United States in their ban of the party, but you can't really compare the two.  Banning the party in Germany was the best way to insure that the same mistake will not be repeated.  It is a subject of national shame, and nobody there disagrees with the ban.  Even in this country we impose limits on freedom of speech - Nazism is just as (if not more) offensive to Germans as pornography on network television would be to you.  In any case, the United States does not have a similar issue in history that would prompt us to ban a political party.
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« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2004, 11:39:46 pm »

GS maybe this can put it in American persective for u.... That was a Pre Emptive Strike from Mauti- Shock & Awe so you won't do it again.

I'm not the one who did it, BFG.  I didn't get banned for anything.  I didn't call anyone a Nazi on here.  I just think that those who did get banned for it should be given a warning for their first offense.[/size]
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« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2004, 01:48:06 am »

Hi GhostSniper,

yes, you are right that usually people get a warning first, before banned, as it is written in the admin's guidelines.

However in this issue we were facing a rabble-rousing attack against a member of this community. Guys immediatly jumped on Crypt's bandwagon so I had to react immediately. There are some points that should be common sense, e.g. like you treat your fellow man. As Elandrion already mentioned it - there is a line where the fun stops. Like our 0 tolerance rule for cheating in the *DBL. There aren't any warnings if you go that far, you are out.

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« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2004, 02:06:44 am »

Civic's the one who needs to learn "how to treat his fellow man".
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« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2004, 02:17:07 am »

I havent noticed civic calling anyone a nazi lately
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« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2004, 02:19:31 am »

I havent noticed civic calling anyone a nazi lately

No, only acting like one.
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« Reply #29 on: October 08, 2004, 02:24:15 am »

So why don't we have a review of civic's actions as a BL admin? If theres something improper, steps can be taken?
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« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2004, 03:01:46 am »

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No, only acting like one.

Typhy you're pushing it yourself with comments like that.
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« Reply #31 on: October 08, 2004, 03:04:48 am »

Right, loud. Ban me for posting my views of an admin decision in the "Feedback about admins" section. Step off, bitch.
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« Reply #32 on: October 08, 2004, 05:18:39 am »

Have you read a word anyone has said in this thread?  The whole point is about how wildly offensive it is to call someone a Nazi, and yet you just did it.  "Step off, bitch" is a much more appropriate way to voice your opinion.
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« Reply #33 on: October 08, 2004, 01:27:21 pm »

so... after asking several times now in several places about when, where and how i acted like a nazi... nobody could give an answer. figures...
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« Reply #34 on: October 08, 2004, 03:52:05 pm »

so... after asking several times now in several places about when, where and how i acted like a nazi... nobody could give an answer. figures...

The problem is this Civic:

The people who called you a Nazi can't come in here and tell you how you acted like a Nazi because they are BANNED!

Moron.
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« Reply #35 on: October 08, 2004, 03:56:26 pm »

i said "in several places". that includes the MGL forum.

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« Reply #36 on: October 08, 2004, 03:56:37 pm »

And the point everyone else has made, yet you and Typhy have ignored, GS, is that Civic could not have acted like a Nazi.  Nothing he said or did remotely compares with the atrociites of World War 2, and there simply is no case for asserting otherwise.
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« Reply #37 on: October 08, 2004, 03:57:54 pm »

exactly, loudnotes, exactly. Smiley
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« Reply #38 on: October 08, 2004, 04:56:55 pm »

??I have just read through your posts on the MGL. Eight is absolutly right you are making yourselves look like idiots.

? Nowhere in that thread did i see any explanation which would in anyway give good reason to refering to civic as a Nazi.

?? To those of you that are arguing about this you obviously have a very limited knowledge of the situation regarding Facism, the Nazi party and what has happend in Europe, before, during and since the Second world war. - Then again in your defence there is no way you could quite comprehend it considering - Europe was deeply scared by what happend, we still are. There is a intense hatred for Facism here, You aruge that everyone is entitled to free speach but should you allow a group who is trying to destroy free speach have that free speach?

? As several of us have stated allready you cannot make any comparison between Civic actions and that of the Nazi party or Groups such as the BNP with their facist views. Many of us find this deeply deeply insulting, disrespectfull, no infact im not quite sure how to express it. You are totally demeaning what has happend.

??Ghostsniper: no offence but your wife obviously dosn't have a fucking clue if she feels she can make links between the beliefs of a group of people that led to the Genocide that happend in camps like Belson, Dachau, Ravensbruck,  and Buchenwald among many others, and the actions of Civic on these forums. If they want to complain about civics actions do it in a productive manner don't just call him a nazi "because he acts like one"

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Mauti gave you your answer, its seven days ban, go back to the MGL forum where you can  bitch and whine about it and continue to make yourselves look so ignorant. But you do not call civic a Nazi on these forums as has been done.

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« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2004, 06:20:25 pm »

i said "in several places". that includes the MGL forum.


I am not going to bring anything from the MGL Forum in here.  I am not defending someone calling you a Nazi, I simply don't think it requires a ban for the first offense.  I've stated how I feel, you've all stated how you feel...so let's all just SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT IT ALREADY.  Wink
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