9 out of 10 French Agree....

[Cossack]

Maybe Kerry recognizes that the US and Western Europe still have a lot of common interests. In this case being a liberal or even a neo-realist is better than being a realist.


Def of these terms so you people dont get confused

Realist:
-Thinks world is anarchic
-Looks out for number one and only number one
-Beleives war is inevitable

Liberal
-Thinks world is anarchic
-Thinks solutions can be accomplished using negotiation
-Thinks it is in self interest to look after others self interest

[BFG]

I see how this is. You would rather kerry turn america into Canada?! America comes first to Americans an then the rest of the world.?

Yes... So we come all the way back to the fact that most of us here seem to agree that what Bush is doing is not actually benifiting america in the long term but instead causing a greater rift that is causing bigger and more dangerouse problems, where a very small minority seem to think that marching your military all over the world doing the hell what you like is actually helping make america a more secure place.

[spike]

lol, I deleted that post because I thought it was the most pretentious piece of shit ever. Wish I knew how ot get it back.

[*DAMN Bondo]

Considering the US was tied for 6th (with two other nations) in the 2003 UN Human Development Index, it shows that there are at least 5 nations (Norway and Sweden being the top two) that it would be in the US's interest to become more like. I have a feeling 2004 will bring with it a US drop even further from the top. If we vote for Bush, the US may not even hold the top 10.

To add to what you were saying Cossack I think the realist thinks safety is killing those that try to attack us while the liberal thinks safety is when no one wants to attack us. The difference being that the realist approach is a process that continues into eternity and does not really progress anywhere. The liberal approach, while it is impossible to truly get to where there is no one who wants to attack, at least has that element of progress and becoming more safe.

[cookie]

we don't want some fucking texan idot fucking up the world even more than he has allready done so.

 

i'm from texas!

[crypt]

(oh, and I have nothing against Europe...beautiful place, I've been there....I even married a girl from Austria--guess what?  She likes George Bush!)

BS, she's voting Bush because you are!

And Bondo, why the hell would we want to be like those countries? Do you not like where you live? If anyone in America thinks that way then get out!

[Brutha]

You see....there is what is wrong. Ppl cant say what they feel, because if they do some underaged fool will come right along and tell them off. Sure living in Norway is good, but I dont celebrate the national day here..17. mai, and Im all norwegian. Why dont I do that? because I dont believe in this nation anymore and I say it. I yell hypocracy and close the courtains that day. I laugh at the celebrations because nobody remembers what it was about. The beatiful thing about living in norway is this: A kid your age dosnt walk up to me when I say this because he knows I can say this...and he respects that I see things diferently.

[c| Spetsnaz.]

Do you not like where you live? If anyone in America thinks that way then get out!

You've been hanging around GS too long dude. Goto college get an education, and establish your own ideological mindset.

[spike]

Open your mind man!

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[BTs_Mysterio]

Is it just me or are all arguments becoming clich?? I would love to see some of you guys actually do a real debate styled thing because that would prove entertaining and free us of the lame clich? escape routines.

[*DAMN Bondo]

Well Myst...we could all gather in one of the rooms on GR and have a live chat debate with a few people acting as moderators and a few people being the official speakers.

[KoS.Rebel]

Wow....first off, the votes from other countries dont matter CAUSE ITS NOT THEIR PRESIDENT. Second, u do not have to be 18 or older to vote. Therefor all the spamming noobs from the gaming communtiy who bitch and complain can vote for kerry all they want! I love how everyone thinks they are awesome because they have the blessing of second sight. Everyone on this forum that talks shit about Bush is like a monday morning quarterback. If you dunno what this means too bad for u cause those of us who watch a real mans game do know. Just picture this, you are president of the United States and your country has just be attacked like 9/11. Your country, screaming at you for vengeance and blood, wants you to take all means necessary to strike back. So, most of us here, including myself, wanted the bloody of every middleeasterner after 9/11. So you send troops to attack the terrorist cell responsible. Your intelligence leads you to Afghanistan where you do some damage to the regime, but do not fully destroy it. Your intelligence tells you this cell has gone to Iraq for shelter. Remembering that your people wanted you to do whatever it took to bring justice, you send your troops in. Anyone of us could have done this, so stop fucking saying it was fucking wrong and put urself in his shoes. Dont EVEN begin to say that you would have consulted the UN. Two things, Bush did and no1 agreed with him, but his people wanted blood so he did what was necessary. Second, Rememebr Somalia? The UN fucked that up big time so dont trust the UN. Dont think how you felt now, remember back to 9/12. The day after when i went to school, all those mother fucking middle eastern bastards pulled their kids out of school for fear they would get hurt, and they were DAMN FUCKING RIGHT. Good thing they didnt come back that day, they would have gotten FUCKED THE HELL UP. Think back to that day, i know everyone wanted revenge, vengeance, vendetta. You know you did, so just think, what would u have done if you were president. Include all possibilties in ur decision and when typing what you would have done, include all things that could be possible from this, then if you come up with GODS GIFT TO PEACE then please feel free to type it here so that we can all see it. Before you condemn Bush, think what you would have done and write it here.

[c| Spetsnaz.]

Wow....first off, the votes from other countries dont matter CAUSE ITS NOT THEIR PRESIDENT. Second, u do not have to be 18 or older to vote. Therefor all the spamming noobs from the gaming communtiy who bitch and complain can vote for kerry all they want! I love how everyone thinks they are awesome because they have the blessing of second sight. Everyone on this forum that talks shit about Bush is like a monday morning quarterback. If you dunno what this means too bad for u cause those of us who watch a real mans game do know. Just picture this, you are president of the United States and your country has just be attacked like 9/11. Your country, screaming at you for vengeance and blood, wants you to take all means necessary to strike back. So, most of us here, including myself, wanted the bloody of every middleeasterner after 9/11. So you send troops to attack the terrorist cell responsible. Your intelligence leads you to Afghanistan where you do some damage to the regime, but do not fully destroy it. Your intelligence tells you this cell has gone to Iraq for shelter. Remembering that your people wanted you to do whatever it took to bring justice, you send your troops in. Anyone of us could have done this, so stop fucking saying it was fucking wrong and put urself in his shoes. Dont EVEN begin to say that you would have consulted the UN. Two things, Bush did and no1 agreed with him, but his people wanted blood so he did what was necessary. Second, Rememebr Somalia? The UN fucked that up big time so dont trust the UN. Dont think how you felt now, remember back to 9/12. The day after when i went to school, all those mother fucking middle eastern bastards pulled their kids out of school for fear they would get hurt, and they were DAMN FUCKING RIGHT. Good thing they didnt come back that day, they would have gotten FUCKED THE HELL UP. Think back to that day, i know everyone wanted revenge, vengeance, vendetta. You know you did, so just think, what would u have done if you were president. Include all possibilties in ur decision and when typing what you would have done, include all things that could be possible from this, then if you come up with GODS GIFT TO PEACE then please feel free to type it here so that we can all see it. Before you condemn Bush, think what you would have done and write it here.

Why waste my time on such a frivolous task?

[Brutha]

You go Rebel. Why stop with taking out the middle east..why the hell dont we do the whole world? I cant imagine you would be satisfied with less. You justify punishing the whole middle east with that BS of yours there. So basicly what you are saying is that whenever an american soldier goes too far and abuses an Iraqi prisoner its ok for us to condemn the first american we meet. I for one dont want to do that, because I know that most americans out there are civilised and do not mind other ways of thinking. Unless ive been talking to the 20 ppl that think differently of course. What you need to learn is that two wrongs dont make a right". What does that mean? That you have the balls to stand up to someone and say no more violence. Thats what a REAL man does.

As for the rest of the world discussing the election. Everythin america does affects the world, so why the hell cant we debate which president we would like to see ruling america.

[KoS.Rebel]

Sigh, they all should pay.

[Brutha]

so...eye for an eye then?

[seth]

Before you condemn Bush, think what you would have done and write it here.

the only one responsible for 9/11 is Bin Laden. That sucker was trapped in Afghanistan, WTF, i got 150 000 troops in that country, i would have sent everyone of them in those mountains, fuck the warlords ! send the marines, tear down the whole freaking mountains if you have to, but get a hold on Bin Laden.

[KoS.Rebel]

Id have to agree. But i do feel it wasnt Bush's fault for not getting Bin Laden. He just gives the army the power to attack, from there it goes to the highest ranking officer in the army who goes about following his orders.

[crypt]

lol me spending too much time around GS.

Maybe you should stop sucking Kerry's dick.

[spike]

Why yes, responding to reasoned arguement with a frank discussion of the homosexual habits of some of the members of this board is a good idea. You will win all your arguements that way crypt. Nice going!