Convo between Wrath and I

[Peekay]

After a long chat with Wrath on AIM, (here's the convo), we got in a fight about hardware addresses, he claims he has some "app" to change the hardware address, and then he gave me some definition that basically told himself off, here's the convo:

Th3Mattrix:      hey, what account are you on GR w/?
WebDesignerServr:      Very good question.
WebDesignerServr:      I forgot.
Th3 Mattrix:      why dont you look?
WebDesignerServr:      Maybe because i'm BANNED!!!! and I don't wanna go looking for my last account #!
Th3Mattrix:      uh, you just said you werent banned
WebDesignerServr:      I'm banned.
WebDesignerServr:      I said I'm getting around it.
Th3 Mattrix:      strange
WebDesignerServr:      Yes, i'm a strange person.,
Th3 Mattrix:      you posted to the damn forum saying you had gotten past the ban
Th3 Mattrix:      and you just told me you were on GR
WebDesignerServr:      Well, I'm past it.
WebDesignerServr:      But i'm not on GR
Th3 Mattrix:      yet you just said you were still banned
WebDesignerServr:      Okay...You figure out the definition of a "get-around"
WebDesignerServr:      and then come back to me.
Th3 Mattrix:      how about you get your head fixed
Th3 Mattrix:      ms isnt a good disease
WebDesignerServr:      O man...I'm turning into Evill, inconsiderate and all that crap.
Th3 Mattrix:      like i said before
Th3 Mattrix:      you faked Evill and posted on the DAMN forum as scott
WebDesignerServr:      ummmm....no
Th3 Mattrix:      

WebDesignerServr:      Then go ask Mauti for the IP.
Th3 Mattrix:      nah, im too lazy
Th3 Mattrix:      you probably spoofed that one as well
WebDesignerServr:      Then why don't you ask evill himself if he banned my ip?
WebDesignerServr:      ALONG WITH hardware address?
Th3 Mattrix:      yes
Th3 Mattrix:      you probably changed your hardware address
Th3 Mattrix:      its possible, i know of an app that can
WebDesignerServr:      Really?
WebDesignerServr:      Please do send it to me.
Th3 Mattrix:      no
Th3 Mattrix:      you are already back on GR
WebDesignerServr:      Then you don't have it do you?
Th3 Mattrix:      yes i do
Th3 Mattrix:      its bookmarked, in fact
Th3 Mattrix:      ::looks::
WebDesignerServr:      If you understood what a Hardware address was...There would be no "app" to change it.
Th3 Mattrix:      ::smiles::
Th3 Mattrix:      uh, yes
Th3 Mattrix:      this app does change it
WebDesignerServr:      Then, explain to me what a Hardware Address is.
Th3 Mattrix:      it modifies your hardware
Th3 Mattrix:      its like a firmware update
WebDesignerServr:      if your talking about OS X, it's completely different.
WebDesignerServr:      And oh yea.
WebDesignerServr:      Post this on the forum..
WebDesignerServr:      I knew you would.
Th3 Mattrix:      post what?
Th3 Mattrix:      It is the unique hexadecimal serial number assigned to each Ether- net network device to identify it on the network. With Ethernet devices (as with most other network types), this address is permanently set at the time of manufacture.

Th3 Mattrix:      BYE
Th3 Mattrix:      bye


OH yea...this is ALL THE INFO you getting outta me.

Peekay

[Romeo]

Th3 Mattrix: ? ? ?It is the unique hexadecimal serial number assigned to each Ether- net network device to identify it on the network. With Ethernet devices (as with most other network types), this address is permanently set at the time of manufacture.

lol, is that what you think it is wrath, well, i got a new Ethernet card and same address. I got tried a different hard drive and it didn't work. Tell me how that is so.

[jn.blackhand]

its not just the ethernet card. it's literally the entire motherboard.

[jn.blackhand]

None the less, it is entirely possible to get a new Hardware Address wihtout buying new hardware.

[Zomar]

peekay, wrath showed me this application and i tryed it once, so stfu. also posting as someone else is pretty bad.

and by posting this im banned no i arnt yes i am shit just shows how much of a homosexual you realy are. at least get your story strait.

[jn.wrath]

Hahaha.. Juliet just shot himself in the foot w/ this conversation.. "I'm unbanned" "I'm not back on GR though"

HAHAHAHHAHA.. what a fool

there is such an app, I'm just not gonna tell dumbasses, and you can't get me to tell anyone by saying that there isn't one..

[*DAMN Mauti]

LOL I thought the same Wrath! I AM UNBANNED BUT I AM NOT BACK ON GR lollololol! BTW Wrath it was Evill who posted on this forum. - it wasn't Peekay.

Mauti

[SiGmA_X]

Wrath, no offence, but Juliet could not write as well as the post's from Scott Kevill. Juliet makes too many typeo's! (not that I don't my self...), and also, can you send me this URL? I would like to try it out, and, of course, i wont send it to Juliet.

Romulus

[Peekay]

Finally, SOMEBODY believes I didn't post as Evill.  Although that would've been ingenious (make fun of this typo also!).  I didn't do it, just ask Mauti, he can check the IP for you.

Peekay

[jn.wrath]

In case nobody noticed, I merely threw that out there to trip up Juliet

WebDesignerServr: ? ? ?O man...I'm turning into Evill, inconsiderate and all that crap.
Th3 Mattrix: ? ? ?like i said before
Th3 Mattrix: ? ? ?you faked Evill and posted on the DAMN forum as scott

Ever heard of.. a joke?

BTW: A hardware address can be changed if you modify the hardware itself, if anyone knows what a firmware update is, thats basically what this app is - it changes the actual hardware.

Oh, yeah, he also cut out parts of the conversation. You'll even notice that one part I say nothing when I actually said something.. I don't have the conversation at my fingertips (its on my PC), but this isn't the complete thing.

Wait, wait, now Juliet is placing his faith in the same IP addresses he said couldn't identify him?! How are we supposed to know what Scott's REAL IP is?! Or even Juliet's b/c he said that wasn't really his!

BTW: I had no idea this conversation was gonna be posted here until I checked out the forum.. this is the second time Romeo/Juliet has pulled this stunt - posting our conversations on DAMN w/o my notice..

For those of you who don't catch on, MS = multiple sclerosis - the disorder of having multiple personalities, which appears to be what Juliet has..

[Grifter]

Apps exist to mask, alter, filter and out right change your MAC address....  hell, you can do it with the program either**** (sorry, if you can't bother to look it up, then you can't be trusted to use it, and not even then for most people.  I just looked it up since my last posting on the subject.)

Romeo..... hard drive?  Don't be a dumbass.

Peekay, so, let me guess.... you (or, more likely, someone else) have slaved a "clean mac" to log onto GameRanger with a new account (a very easy task to accomplish).  And you further put some nifty little program like timbuktoo on it (think PCAnywhere for you PC useres) so that you can manually operate it from another mac anywhere.  Now, use a program like ICMPlogger to see what ip's you ping.... and then just do a manual join....  Wow.. that was so inventive.  Even get's you past locked games on GR (not if they password the game though, eh?)

Now, throw a couple more twists and turns.... shell accounts, changing IP's, macking the MAC address, etc. et al. and you think you've got it made, eh?  Hell, even if you wrote some scripts instead of stealing a copy of timbuktoo, it's still not that challenging.

So, blackhand, or anyone else taking notes, this is probably a way around Evil's ban's.  Probably only because I'd have to try it before I endorced it.  

Anyway, I do not reccomend doing this.  Let's face it, if you were a dumbass enough to get banned in the first place, you are just going to repeat it.  Let's see... an easy way for EVIL to stop you.... remove the ping function from GR..... that would suck for all of us, but I'm pretty sure it's an easy way to foil your little "script program".  Given time, and EVIL's experience, I'm sure he could come up with more creative ways to stop it (even if for some reason that eliminating the ping wouldn't work, everything can be stopped, it's just a matter of time).

So, if you have been banned.. try to appologize, there's a thought!  Say you are a real dumbass, and really sorry.  Maybe he will have pity on you and let you back in... some people like HONESTY.  

Mauti, please feel free to edit out anything in this message that you feel is saying too much.  I just hate the "I'm smarter then you" attitude coming from some dumbasses out there.

[Grifter]

One thought for those wishing to keep Peekay out of their games.

Since Peekay is supposedly looking at your IP address from you ping, you might want to try to disable you ping.... I know that many firewalls allow you to do this (net barrier has this option for example).  It simply tells your computer to not answer the ping.  Without this, Peekay can't manually join your games.  The downside, is nobody will see your ping speed on GR.

Without knowing how Peekay is doing what he is doing (assuming that he is), this is just a guess... but probably a good one.  Keep it in mind.

Another sure fire way, but also an inconvienence, is to password protect the GAME from the SERVER, not in GR, but on the SERVER.  Don't use SECRET..... but use a password.  And don't post it in the title.  This will keep even manual joiners out... but anyone you want in has to know the password.  Like I said, an inconvienence, but then, so is having Peekay in your games.

[SiGmA_X]

I think i will re-install NetBarrier! i use Norton, but i dont think that i can do that with it... maybe i can... help Grif?

Also, he DOESNT need to say he is a real dumbass; evill already knows it! heh

Dont you all think that it is kind of sick that Juliet is Romeo's best friend?? heh, i think thats sick enought (gay relationship's...no thx! eww!)

later!

[Grifter]

Romulus,
Norton was "Doorstop", and you could not do it under Doorstop, unless Norton changed it (as far as I know).  Anyone else know the answer to this?

[SiGmA_X]

i know; i had doorstop befor norton took over it. its not as good, but i like it cuz i can limit certian ports... maybe i can do this w/ NetBarrier?

Romulus

[Grifter]

you're going to make me load a copy and try, aren't you.....

I can't remember... I haven't used NetBarrier in a couple of versions.  I'm using a hardware firewall and I'm trying out a different software firewall for the machine's that are in the DMZ (if you don't have a router, you don't need to worry about what a DMZ is)  One thing's for sure.. I get a lot of port scans here... and a few people have been exploring my machine quite a bit lately.... and no, I doubt it's Peekay.... this has been going on for a while, and I doubt it's him... although it get's a lot more active in the higher ports when I'm on GR.... food for thought.  then again... could just be some guys seeing if I'm running my Hotline Server still... you never know.

If I can dig up a copy of NetBarrier or Norton around here, I'll load them and let you know... but it's not hight on my todo list.....

[Romeo]

all i can say is that what SWAT_Grifter said is not true. about timbuktu and controlling the screen. anyone can get back into gr without a hardware change or spoofer or none of that shit. me and peekey found out how to do it and we are not going to tell anyone. it was kind of hard to figur out be all i can say is that i got a little help from freaky from freaky.staticusers.net if anyone has ever been there. we are pritty good friends and he just told me a way that he fould out and it works so even if you go asking him how, i know that he wont talk to you. if you email him, he will be like Evill and just toss your email and never read it(although he might)

so thats it, were back

[Peekay]

Is it just me, or is Grifter promoting warez here.  Aren't you supposed to BUY software?  Funny, i'm dumbass for getting banned, your so close it's not funny.

Peekay

[Grifter]

I'm not promoting Warez at all....  I specifically said that I do not recommend this.....

As for not using timbuktoo.... matters not.  You can use appletalk and applescript to control other Macs (not as clean or easy, but it can be done)..... Pearl, etc (lots of hacking scripts and apps out there to clone).

As for the other points... if you guys are looking up the IP's of otherplayers to manually join their games (which is what it sounds like) then the stuff I wrote will stop you.  Password protecting the games (again, not the server) will definately stop you.

[SiGmA_X]

Grif ment if he can FIND HIS COPY! being he is a professinal techy, i wouldnt put it past him to have a copy of almost every firewall out there! lol! and Grif, Juliet isn't smarter to hack YOU! lol!! and whats the diffrent port thing mean? the high vs low? and what is port 49152 and 427? it messes up my connection when i shut certian ports off... can u tell me the DNS ports??

thx

Romulus