Who is coming in finals top 4 or top 6???

[Bummer]

hey guys who is coming in finals top 4 or top 6 cuz my old clan was in -fA- and stripes told me that was top 6 there coming in finals

[crypt]

4

[.vooDoo.]

Personally I think it should be 4 finalist for RvS and 6 for Ghr since it had a bigger turnout of cb's.

voods

[Aramarth]

The admins approved shortly before the season began to enact an expanded, 3 week/8 clan finals for GhR, and leave RvS alone until it has more clans. These numbers are subject to change, given participation on the ladders. The wording was open ended enough to allow this.

[Bummer]

k thx guys

[cO.Vickedson]

really?....8?

[Ein]

hmmm... 8...? So we have a shot still? all be it a long shot but still a shot... and here i was just giving up already. lol.... j/k

Ein

[crypt]

8 sounds fun, it should add a whole new experience to the finals.

[BFG]

There should  be an announcment regarding the finalised structure for this seasons finals soon Admins are just finalising a few points...

[Aramarth]

Do you know what y'all need to do? Play as many cbs as possible. The more you play, the more likely we are to send 8 clans to the finals.

[z][t-Magnetic]

Personally I think that 8 clans in the finals are 4 too much. Given the number of wins it would require to get into 8th place, I think it would be too easy to go into finals.

If we stay at 4, the finals will still be hard to reach, thus being more of an achievement for the 4 clans that DO make it. Something they can be proud of. Hopefully that will encourage clans to cb their asses of to try and make it.

z][t-Magnetic

[BFG]

that depends on how the finals system works and how the clans are matched up... whatever happens there needs to be big advantages for the top ranked clans over the bottom ranked clans or we will find that people will play less and cb less and that that being ranked at the top means less - and therefore dosn't matter.

i can't currently see how a system with 8 clans in the finals would work - if you simply rank 1v8th, 2v7th - what is to stop really good clans being lazy during the season but playing just enough to get to 8th place - then just knocking out a not so good clan that has struggled away all season and taken top spot!!

[Aramarth]

A 4 clan system is quite simply an elitist plot to keep hold on the finals. The same clans always win, and usually because they simply play the most games. To properly run a 4 clan finals when there are six times that number in clans on the ladder, everyone needs to play the same number of cbs. Everyone is always against a set number of cbs, and any suggestions I have at fixing it to make it all fair. You the league WANT clans to have an unequal amout of difficulty to get points during the season, and yet you want to reward just the clans that play the ladder climbing game.

I will use my clan as an example. We lost to cO in our first cb of the season. They got 50 points. Later, we beat 2RH and got 108 points. Now you can not tell me that it was twice as hard for us to beat 2RH than it was for cO to beat us. Thats utter fraud.

Our most recent cb, we beat Po. We got 180 points. Was it harder for us to beat Po than it was for cO to beat us? We are the second place clan from last season, and this season we sit atop the ladder, and cO is getting absolutely raped with only 50 points for beating us.

The league plays on, and people act as if all of this was ok.

Right now, iMf has a record of 3-6, thats a .33 winrate, and they are ranked above Toxic, who has a 3-1 record (.75 winrate). The only thing that iMf did differently than Toxic was lose 5 more games. They have a higher rank!

Pardon me if I think all of this is totally crazy. Pardon me if I think a team's last game is not more important than its first. Pardon me if I think that playing more games will pay your clan dividends in experience, but it should not give you a free ride into the finals.

My solution is simple. Redesign the system. I can do it in an hour's time, and if you hadn't all had this current system first, you would swear by mine instead. However, I do not have the support of the community, nor the admins, to change our obviously BS season structure. What I did get was a chance to give the rest of the clans a shot. Eight clans will play in the GhR finals this season, and this means that more than just the opportunistic clans get a chance to try their skills in a real win/loss ratio system. The finals are different you see. The clan that wins gets to go on, not the clan that plays more, and the opportunities to play more are barely there.

For contrast, the 6 clan finals that we used to use. After the first round, three clans, THREE are left. Guess what, one clan doesn't get to move on, even though they were not defeated!

Yet more blatent is this fact: instead of letting more people play in just one game each, with single elimination, certain people argue that FEWER clans should get to play in THREE times the games! Our finals are a best of three!! That is a possible 6 games in the finals for the top two placed clans. And the 5th place clan gets NONE.

This was the idea behind the MP finals system. If you win, you keep going. Time is not wasted by having the same two clans face one another again and again, while everyone else watches.

Here is a revolutionary idea. Why not have only the LOSERS watch. Let the less active play. Let the guy whose mother died over the last weekend of the season play. The real honest losers are the only ones who shouldn't get the chance to play.

[Civrock]

although i'm all for keeping it simple with 4 clans in finals where you really have to fight to reach and deserve your spot there... what about this solution/compromise?

a 6 clans finals system but not how it was 2 seasons ago... different, more fair.

top 2 seeds get a bye in first round, and #3 plays #6, #4 plays #5. then?#1 would play winner of 4-5 and #2 would play winner of 3-6. the finals would all in all take 3 weekends, one for each round.

8 clans would be definitely too much in my opinion.

[BFG]

My solution is simple. Redesign the system. I can do it in an hour's time, and if you hadn't all had this current system first, you would swear by mine instead. However, I do not have the support of the community, nor the admins, to change our obviously BS season structure.

Ara does anybody knkow what your redesign of the system looks like? I think there is probably a lack of support of it because nobody has a clue what it is!  if they do then i'll pull my head out the sand but i really have no idea what this redesign that your suggesting actually consists off!!!

There are currently a handfull of clans that are standing a mile apart from the rest of the group - its like the Scotish football premiership - there are just two teams who allways win and nobody else has a chance. - so i do think that a change in the system from what it is currently should be considered in a way of helping level out the playing field and give teams who play a little less cb's a chance to show their skill. but then again this would require a overhaul of the entire BL system.

personally i thought the 6clans system worked out quite well. however things do change - and i think the number of clans in the GhR ladder currenlty, and their ability needs to be looked at, and the system worked accordingly to give the fairest and most enjoyable result!

[crypt]

Top 2 seeds should not get a  bye in the first round, z][t, if you were to win again, wouldn't you feel better about it if you were the best out of 8 clans, or 4? Or do you just want to not take a chance at more glory.

[Aramarth]

I have in several places proposed a system that, given a longer season structure, would require each clan to play each other clan once or twice, and then allow a set number of games beyond that amount. Never would two clans meet more than twice (or three times with the double per clan model) in a season. The clans who move on to finals would earn the right by win/loss ratio alone. They could not benefit themselves by playing only weak clans, or by winning only games against the top ranked clans at the end of the season.

Beyond this simple proposal, I have a number of slightly more complex solutions to problems that would no doubt be raised. These extra ideas run the gamut from giving a minor advantage for the margin with which you win a match (5-0 is better than 5-4), all the way up to a system of "salary cap" and rosters to balance the power between clans after a season and its finals are concluded (you won! trade a player before next season starts and see if you can win again).

By no means are the "extra" ideas all required, but each has its charm. I would go on and detail everything for you, but I have no guarantee that all my effort would pay off. I need some sort of encouragement to continue before I spend the time. I'm not going to rebuild Mauti's car if hes just going to use it for antitank rocket practice, if you get my meaning.

[BFG]

I have in several places proposed a system that, given a longer season structure, would require each clan to play each other clan once or twice, and then allow a set number of games beyond that amount. Never would two clans meet more than twice (or three times with the double per clan model) in a season. The clans who move on to finals would earn the right by win/loss ratio alone.

Oh yeah, you mean the same structure we have for the premiership (football/or what u call soccer) over here... The same structure i have suggested and was rejected becasue people said it would stifle the BL becasue it would limit their ability to play Cbs?

[Aramarth]

Thats the one. Fact is, it won't stifle cbing. But one can't convince anyone of that to save one's life.

[BFG]

lol. no one is quite correct. I can't see it happening becasue hell a lot of clans want to cb whoever they lke as much as they can... and there of course is the problem of some clans meeting up to actucally do their cbs - but come on thats not inpossible.

one will just hve to sit back and do one's best