A Real Patriot

[BTs_GhostSniper]

Here is a small story I saw this morning...

Pat Tillman, Army Ranger

[seth]

tragic, like all deaths.

Why "real patriot" ?

[PsYcO aSsAsSiN]

Because he turned down the riches of the NFL to enlist in Army. He did it for his love of country and refused any and all media requests to follo whis journies. From all accounts available, he wanted no notoriety and just to be one of the guys who normally enlist and receive no attention.

["Sixhits"]

He was a good guy and a ballsy man.

[seth]

good enough.

[BTs_GhostSniper]

Because he turned down the riches of the NFL to enlist in Army. He did it for his love of country and refused any and all media requests to follo whis journies. From all accounts available, he wanted no notoriety and just to be one of the guys who normally enlist and receive no attention.

Yes, thanks for answering....just about the way I would have said it.

[crypt]

It really took balls to do this, little kids don't dream to join the army, they dream of being a professional sports player, and making millions of dollars.

This guy was special though, he must have overcame those dreams which were coming true, and joined the army, which any true patriot would do.

*** Crypt Applauds

[BFG]

and joined the army, which any true patriot would do

Anyone who loves their country would join the army and go and kill fellow human beings???

This whole patriotism thing seems to have gone way over the top in the US....

[BTs_FahQ2]

Now do you really think his sole motivation was to go and kill fellow human beings.  Your comment is rediculous.

pa?tri?ot - One who loves, supports, and defends one's country.


I don't know what the patriots do where you live BFG, but I take it they are doing none of those.

[crypt]

No, not fellow human beings, these people are savage rats that can die in hell.

[Ssickboy]

and joined the army, which any true patriot would do

 Anyone who loves their country would join the army and go and kill fellow human beings???   This whole patriotism thing seems to have gone way over the top in the US....

No,  this guy was the shit.  He joined after the frenzy of 9/11 to defend his country.  Not just any NFL player, he was an extraordinary leader, and sportsmen.  It was this man's calling alone to join the service.  I only have the utmost respect for his actions, despite any conflicting beliefs.  By joining the corps, army etc, you are doing an honorable service for your country, and in no way should it be taken as some kind of political message.  Unfortunatley I don't think the country is well represented by it's leaders.  It is our duty as citizens to make sure that we are well represented by our chosen leaders, and that our soldiers are fighting for a just cause in the most efficient, logical, and moral fashion.  Otherwise our most dedicated true young patriots are dying needlessly.  Dying for Bush and Cheney is not patriotism.  Tillman though died fighting in Afghanistan where the goal was to clean out al-quada and bring stability to the country.  That was a just cause.  Efficient and logical?  I dunno.  Is it possible that matters in Afghanistan would be different if we were not so needlessly pre-occupied in Iraq?

I believe the death and sacrifice of men such as Pat Tillman is an enormous loss to everyone.  (Jeez, I didn't think I'd ever be saying that when he joined.)

[BTs_GhostSniper]

and joined the army, which any true patriot would do

Anyone who loves their country would join the army and go and kill fellow human beings???
This whole patriotism thing seems to have gone way over the top in the US....

BFG....you just don't understand.  Fortunately, your country didn't understand back in 1775 either.  Your country started to understand, just a little, by about 1783....but then it got really dumb and forgot everything again around 1812.  You see, American Patriotism is just about the most powerful force on earth.  But you just don't get it.

A lot of other people never got it either, so don't feel all alone in this.  The Germans didn't get it (twice).  The Japanese didn't get it.  Saddam didn't get it.

We will fight to the death to protect freedom, even the freedom of people we don't even know thousands of miles from our shores.

I think you just need a good old fashioned lesson in Patriotism, my friend.

Peace.

-GhostSniper Out.

"Brought to you courtesy of the Red, White, and Blue"

[BTs_FahQ2]

By any chance are you also a Army Recruiter outside of your Ford duties.  You sound like those crazy nut balls.  

[BTs_GhostSniper]

By any chance are you also a Army Recruiter outside of your Ford duties.  You sound like those crazy nut balls.  

hehehe....Army Recruiter, car salesman....kinda the same thing, huh?

But I am one of those Patriots, too....just look at things a bit differently.

[seth]

We will fight to the death to protect freedom, even the freedom of people we don't even know thousands of miles from our shores.

if so, what about North Korea, what about China? Looks like freedom over there doesnt mean jack shit to the US !
Or is it maybe coz they're not a threat to US homeland security........ wait a minute.... they both have nukes, they're both run by dictators and they both hate the us.

[the oNe]

China isn't run by a dictator you moron.  It has a communist goverment, in a democratic economic market.

[Peter Pantsless]

You see, American Patriotism is just about the most powerful force on earth.? But you just don't get it.

....omfg

[BTs_GhostSniper]

We will fight to the death to protect freedom, even the freedom of people we don't even know thousands of miles from our shores.

if so, what about North Korea, what about China? Looks like freedom over there doesnt mean jack shit to the US !
Or is it maybe coz they're not a threat to US homeland security........ wait a minute.... they both have nukes, they're both run by dictators and they both hate the us.

The difference between the governments of North Korea and China, versus Saddam's Iraq is this:

Although all three have or have had Nuclear, Biological, or Chemical Weapons, only Iraq has used them against an enemy.  In my book (same book Bush uses, by the way), that makes them more of a threat to U.S. Security than either China or North Korea.

And for those of you still saying that Iraq did not have any weapons, you are as stupid as the Democratic Party.  Of course he had them.  Question is, who has them now?

[Cossack]

China not run by a dictator its Communist? Democratic economic system? Dude, what the fuck are you smoking? China is anything but Communist despite any title the ruling party gives itself, and there is no such thing as a democratic economic system. Democracy is not an economic system it is a form of government. For instance you can have a Socialist Democracy, a Christian Democracy, or Communist Democracy. Communism is an economic system one that China does not use. What you are trying to say is that China has a capitalist economic system. Therefore you are saying China is a Communist Capitalist system which is a total contradiction in terms.

I do not want to get this thread off topic. I give Tillman my salute for his sacrifice of wealth, and then his sacrifice of life. He died in the same area as my cousin did eighteen years ago. Khost is an eternal hell hole.

[|MP|Buccaneer]

For any of you that may have missed this news.  Pat Tillman, formerly of Arizona State University and a starting Safety for the Cardinals, was killed in action in Afghanistan on Friday.

No matter how you feel about the war, either war, you have to respect a man that was so moved by 9/11 that he gave up a 3.6 million dollar a year contract to be an Army Ranger for $18k a year.  That's putting your money where your mouth is.  He's now paid the ultimate price for his devotion.

So here's to Pat Tillman, a man that truly lived by his principles.  I have nothing but absolute respect for that kind of man.

- Sorry, just noticed that this was in another topic.  If a moderator would be so kind as to merge this one, I'd appreciate it.

-Done