Every 20 Years...

[BTs_GhostSniper]

Every 20 years this Nation (the United States) elects a President that has the balls to do things that he feels are right, whether or not everyone else thinks so.  A person that rolls back taxes to help the economy, that increases the military power of the country, and that stands up for America and tells the rest of the world that you better not fuck with us.  In 1960 that person was John F. Kennedy.  In 1980 that person was Ronald Reagan.  In 2000 that person was George W. Bush.  For all the faults that everyone claims George Bush has, I would like to commend him for being a great leader.  He didn't sit back and take a poll when September 11 happened (like Clinton would have done) and he doesn't flip-flop on his convictions of what he BELIEVES is right and wrong (like John F'ing Kerry does).  He actually got up and led a Nation, he did something about it...this is the mark of a real leader.  So, whether you agree with his actions or not, at the very least you cannot say he doesn't stand for anything, because he has shown time and time again that he has the balls to take action on what he thinks is right.

Peace.

-GhostSniper Out.

[Ssickboy]

Here's a fitting article just posted today on the subject:

http://slate.msn.com/id/2096654/

...I have high respect for JFk, and I don't think he was the type of president you paint him out to be.  He seemed to hold back against fanatical opinions wanting to invade and escalate the cold war.  Instead he took careful steps of diplomacy (ie. cuban missile crisis).  It was when he died and another Texan took office, LBJ, that the US began (in summary) the fanatical "don't fuck with us" attitude, which led to the mistakes in Vietnam.  

What happened to Colin Powel Ghost?  I remember a shitload of voters backed voting for bush because of his strong cabinet.  Seems to me that the very people that held all the respect of the Bush vote have little if any influence on the Bush administration.  And it doesn't look as if Condi, or Colin are coming along for the next reelection campaign.  

[BFG]

A person that rolls back taxes to help the economy, that increases the military power of the country, and that stands up for America and tells the rest of the world that you better not fuck with us.

lol sorry, just for a moment there i though you were refering to those as good things. haha

[Brutha]

Actually....dont seem like Bush is in charge of the U.S......to me it seem that Rumsfeldt and they boyz are using Bush as a puppet.....that scares me more...but you know about me and Donald.

[BTs_GhostSniper]

...I have high respect for JFk, and I don't think he was the type of president you paint him out to be.  He seemed to hold back against fanatical opinions wanting to invade and escalate the cold war.  Instead he took careful steps of diplomacy (ie. cuban missile crisis).  It was when he died and another Texan took office, LBJ, that the US began (in summary) the fanatical "don't fuck with us" attitude, which led to the mistakes in Vietnam.  

Actually, John F. Kennedy got us into Vietnam, not LBJ.  LBJ just happened to be in there when the shit really started hitting the fan after the Gulf of Tonkin incident on August 4, 1964.

What happened to Colin Powel Ghost?  I remember a shitload of voters backed voting for bush because of his strong cabinet.  Seems to me that the very people that held all the respect of the Bush vote have little if any influence on the Bush administration.  And it doesn't look as if Condi, or Colin are coming along for the next reelection campaign.  

Hey, I would be first in line to vote if Colin Powell would just run for President himself.  But there is no way that will happen this election.  I do, however, believe that Powell will remain the Secretary of State for Bush's second term in office.  I think all of the rumors you are hearing about him getting out of the cabinet after this election are just that, rumors.

[c| Spetsnaz.]

It just bothers me that when Bush went into office he claimed to be a uniter not a divider, this is the most polarized electorate in some time. This administration is the most "say one thing, do another" administration we've had in 20 years, I agree. I would replace the JFK(Democrat) comparison with a more proper one, Nixon(Republican).

The Bush administration cashed in on a nation tragedy for political gain, and used the resulting fear to confuse and take advantage of the American people. The fact that after 9/11 talking out against the President was not only a taboo, but seen as unpatriotic is sickening. This is not what a democracy is all about.

As far as 20 years, I would say the President has taken this country back a good 20 years when it comes to foreign policy, economy and environmental regulations. And if you want to talk about flip flopping, look a GWB's opinion on gay marriage in 2000, then he said it should be a state decision.

Its all about perspective, there are people who make a living alter the perception of the electorate, and GWB's are the best funded.

[BFG]

...he doesn't flip-flop on his convictions of what he BELIEVES is right and wrong...? He actually got up and led a Nation, he did something about it...this is the mark of a real leader

Or a christian Fundamentalist... He follows what he believes is right without any regard for reality... he follows what his ideals are without negotiation, without respect to actuality.

So, whether you agree with his actions or not, at the very least you cannot say he doesn't stand for anything, because he has shown time and time again that he has the balls to take action on what he thinks is right.

Not being funny but thats exactly what Al-Quieda does... Take actions for what it/they believe in. Obvioiusly Binladen believes that what he has done was right - and he took action... What he thinks is right dosn't exactly agree with what i think is right, but then again nor does bush. Just becasue you do somthing you believe in dosn't make it right. Because you act on your believes dosn't give reason to commend anything.

If Acting on your believes is to be commended then do you commend Hitler, Pinocet, Binladen ect... do you commend them for acting on their beliefs?

The similarity between binlarden and Bush is actually rather suprising... Both have 'ideals' that they want to inpose on the rest of the world.. Both appear to believe that god is on their side and theirfore that they are right... Both appear to have no sense of the balence between ideals and reality, or any sense that you have no right to inpose ideas on others to this extent.

[cO.gabe]

...he doesn't flip-flop on his convictions of what he BELIEVES is right and wrong...? He actually got up and led a Nation, he did something about it...this is the mark of a real leader

Or a christian Fundamentalist... He follows what he believes is right without any regard for reality... he follows what his ideals are without negotiation, without respect to actuality.

So, whether you agree with his actions or not, at the very least you cannot say he doesn't stand for anything, because he has shown time and time again that he has the balls to take action on what he thinks is right.

Not being funny but thats exactly what Al-Quieda does... Take actions for what it/they believe in. Obvioiusly Binladen believes that what he has done was right - and he took action... What he thinks is right dosn't exactly agree with what i think is right, but then again nor does bush. Just becasue you do somthing you believe in dosn't make it right. Because you act on your believes dosn't give reason to commend anything.

If Acting on your believes is to be commended then do you commend Hitler, Pinocet, Binladen ect... do you commend them for acting on their beliefs?

GS just got PIZZONED!! Very valid point BFG

[BFG]

oh.. heh ty  what exactly is pizzoned?

[BTs_GhostSniper]

Or a christian Fundamentalist...

What's wrong with being a Christian Fundamentalist?

Under my avatar, if I had the room, it would say:

Militant Right-Wing Conservative Republican Christian Fundamentalist.

But I ran out of room for the whole thing

[Toxic::Joka]

If im not mistaken Bush released a TV commercial recently, If someone knows a link to a online version I'd sure like to see it, thanks.

[Supernatural Pie]

I'm confused. Are you trying to say that Kennedy, Reagan, and Jr. are the ONLY presidents that have done some bold shit? I would tend to disagree. Every president has the "balls to do things that he feels are right, whether or not anyone else thinks so."

Hell, Clinton banged Lewinsky. Clinton certainly had the balls to do that, and I bet he thought it was right (at the time?and I bet he has no regrets ). But you can bet your ass there were a bunch of people that thought he was wrong.

I think your thesis should be revised to: Every 4 years this Nation (the United States) elects a President that has the balls to do things that he feels are right, whether or not everyone else thinks so.?

[c| Spetsnaz.]

Joka, here are the latest Bush-Cheney 04' ads http://www.georgewbush.com/tvads/  they are good for a laugh beacuse they are so corny. I really wanted to see Bush speaking in spainish, but the Spainish version isnt available on the ad where Bush talks, wonder why...

GS, there is nothing wrong with a Christian fundametalist, as long as they stay out of the White House!

As for similarities between Bush and Bin Laden, both of their families made loads of cash in the Saudi oil business, hmmmmmm.

[kami]

Fundamentalists have no fucking grip on reality what so fucking ever. You're making yourself look very very bad by saying that GS. I guess in your situation it doesn't change anything though, you already look bad as it is.

[alaric]

Actually, John F. Kennedy got us into Vietnam, not LBJ.  LBJ just happened to be in there when the shit really started hitting the fan after the Gulf of Tonkin incident on August 4, 1964.

Kennedy got us into Vietnam yes, but in a very small and limited way. Much like the military actions Clinton ordered during his presidency.

LBJ is the one that escalated things. There is even evidence that Kennedy wanted to scale down our presense in Vietnam. Don't pin LBJ's war on Kennedy.

And don't even get me started about the lies misrepresentation of facts that is the Gulf of Tonkin. It was a bullshit excuse to get us further involved. I'm not saying we should not have been there, just our reason was bullshit. Hrm, another interesting parallel to the invasion of Iraq....

[Cossack]

As far as I am concerned back in the Vietnam era America had three good presidents in a row. All of them had their bad sides (JFK- Bay of Pigs, LBJ- Nam, Nixon-Watergate) yet they changed America overall for the better.

Remember the Voting Rights Act which was passed by LBJ? Also remember LBJ was instrumental in the movement when he was Senate Majority Leader. Do not forget about his whole bundle of Great Society Programs.

Nixon got us to open foreign relations with China and he created the EPA. So I think that whole decade was full of very influential presidents that contributed

[College Guy]

Christian fundamentalists are crazy first of all.  They take every idea in the bible to an extreme literal meaning.  An example of this is that in the bible it says that people that are homosexual should be killed.  Christian fundamentalists try and kill these people sometimes....now that is crazy.

As for Bush, what a dumbass.  He is so focused on completing what his father couldn't do it is not even funny.  Here's an interesting fact for you, our school systems are suffering and heres the reason why...456 billion dollars invested in the military, 50 billion in our school system.  Another dumbass thing Bush did is mess up the problem in Israel/Palistein that Clinton was so close to ending.  Good one Bush.  O and our economy, one of the best ever while Clinton was in office..  look at the charts and as soon as Bush gets in the lines start to go down down down.

College Guy

["Sixhits"]

[Just getting rid of the crap related to Golden Shark's post. Ace]

As for this once every 20 years crap ... as Ace says, I call bullshit on you.

For one, I'd never give Reagan or Bush any cred. They don't deserve to be recognised as heroic leaders. They barely register as leaders. Mostly, they are misguided foolish men lead astray by the desire of others, those that misuse their likely sincere desire to Do Good, but use it to benefit the rare few.

That being said, do I think Kerry is going to be the next FDR? No. Do I think he's light years ahead of Bush? Yes.

As for the once in every 20 years: it's more like once in a blue moon.

Washington.

Lincoln.

FDR.

In my mind, there is no one else worth mentioning in the same breath.

To compare Reagan to JFK is to be ridiculous at best. One brokered, luckily, an incredible peace despite the hawks who sought Armageddon. The other spent gobs and gobs of the people's money, driving up our deficit and presiding over gluttonously irresponsible military spending, constantly shoving Russia in a deadly game of economic (and worse, nuclear) brinkmanship.


In either case, that we have survived these two is largely due to luck. In my opinion, humble tho it ain't, neither truly deserves the credit they are given.

As for Bush's own Churchill comparisons, they offend me, not least because I am half-brit, but mostly because Bush has been an incompetent war leader whereas Churchill is one of the icons of wartime competence.

And as for fundamentalism ... I think all fundamenalists are crazy. But clearly they make good soldiers.


At last, this: Ghost:

"He (Bush) doesn't flip-flop on his convictions of what he BELIEVES is right and wrong."

I quote The Daily KOS:

>>>
So Bush has a site somewhere that tracks Kerry's "flip-flops". Reader TK probably spent three seconds coming up with this list of Bush flip flops. It's not like they're hard to find:

Bush is against campaign finance reform; then he's for it.

Bush is against a Homeland Security Department; then he's for it.

Bush is against a 9/11 commission; then he's for it.

Bush is against an Iraq WMD investigation; then he's for it.

Bush is against nation building; then he's for it.

Bush is against deficits; then he's for them.

Bush is for free trade; then he's for tariffs on steel; then he's against them again.

Bush is against the U.S. taking a role in the Israeli Palestinian conflict; then he pushes for a "road map" and a Palestinian State.

Bush is for states right to decide on gay marriage, then he is for changing the constitution.

Bush first says he'll provide money for first responders (fire, police, emergency), then he doesn't.

Bush first says that 'help is on the way' to the military ... then he cuts benefits

Bush-"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. Bush-"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care.

Bush claims to be in favor of the environment and then secretly starts drilling on Padre Island.

Bush talks about helping education and increases mandates while cutting funding.

Bush first says the U.S. won't negotiate with North Korea. Now he will

Bush goes to Bob Jones University. Then say's he shouldn't have.

Bush said he would demand a U.N. Security Council vote on whether to sanction military action against Iraq. Later Bush announced he would not call for a vote

Bush said the "mission accomplished" banner was put up by the sailors.? Bush later admits it was his advance team.

Bush was for fingerprinting and photographing Mexicans who enter the US. Bush after meeting with Pres. Fox, he's against it.
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/3/7/213753/1954

Flippity, floppity, flo! And this is a short list.

[Cutter]

oh you dirty liberal talking points goon you. flip, then flop, then next round....all 30 of them

http://www.gop.com/kerryvskerry/

["Sixhits"]

Cutter, you always bring a grin to my face!

Here's a fun piece from the Daily Show. It's a little old, but fun.

http://www.comedycentral.com/tv_shows/thedailyshowwithjonstewart/videos_corr.jhtml?startIndex=13&p=stewart

Grab the "Bush vs Bush" video.

Pres Bush v Gov/Candidate Bush

It makes a very clear point: Bush is the flipperest of them all.


:-)