Geneology

[jn.loudnotes]

Just wondering how this works -

You know how when people have parents or grandparents of different nationalities, they say things like "I'm 25% Cherokee" etc.?

Well, I was wondering how exactly you figure that out....

i.e.  In my own case, my parents and grandparents are all American, but 4 of 8 great-grandparents were European.  What fraction then, am I European?

Is it 4/8=1/2?
Is it 4/14=2/7?
Or at what point do you become just American, etc.?

[Ace]

I think saying I'm 1/64, 1/4, etc. is pretty retarded. I just say I'm Irish and Italian. That's the culture that has influenced me and I consider myself a part of, even though if you wanted to get super technical you could say I'm 1/4 Canadian. (Canada was the few year layover from Ireland to the States where my grandmother was born.)

No matter what it is, when it comes down to it I'm American, plain and simple.

[Bondo]

Technically, each generation you take what your parents were and half them so they fit for you. ?My mom for example would be considered 100% Norwiegen, even though she was born in the US, as were her parents. ?There is no such thing as American heritige. ?Anyway, because of that I am 50% Norwiegen and 50% of my dad's stuff (a great mix I won't get into) but things my dad is 1/16th of, I'm 1/32nd of. ?If you want to add in an American or Canadian then it goes like this. ?On my mom's side, they immigrated to the US at my great-great grandfather. ?That would make the first generation after that 50% Norwiegen 50% American, then the next is 1/4 and 3/4, then the next is 1/8 and 7/8, and I would be 1/16 Norwiegen and 15/16 American (mind you it would actually be less than 15/16 American when you factor in my dad's side, but they've been over here even longer so it would be about 1/128th French as well. :-/

[Asterax]

Im 52.435345095% Macintosh, 30.435890345% Linux, 12.1286456% Windows (bad blood), and various others: Solaris, BeOS, Atari, and OS/2 making up 5.0011806%. Oh wait, this is about Genealogy?!?! How the hell should I know what decent im from...Im more occupied on the future (no, im not actually THIS ignorant, though I do a good job apparently). =)

Isn?t Geneology spelt with an ?a?? (I?ve been wrong about these things before...)

[jn.wrath]

Asterax, are you sure those percentages work out? If you run calcuations on em, you have another .0073129582% left over..

[Ace]

Asterax, are you sure those percentages work out? If you run calcuations on em, you have another .0073129582% left over..

Wrath, I believe that .0073129582% you refer to is all of his heterosexuality.

[:V:*Beast]

jn.loudnotes....
look
it's easy...
all your grandparents are 1/2 euro...
your parents are 1/16 euro each...
so... you must be 1/256 euro...
sounds stupid... i know...
don't worry... you must be American..

[jn.loudnotes]

2 things -

1)  you're right asterax it is genealogy, my mistake

2) beast I forgot to mention that the 4 european great-grandparents are all on my mother's side.  Using your logic, which makes sense, I still come out with 1/2 euro.

i.e.  my fathers grandparents (4) = 100% amer
      my fathers parents (2) = 100% amer
      my father = 100% amer

my mothers grandparents (4) = 100% eur
my mothers parents (2) = 100% eur (even though born in USA?)
my mother = 100% eur

me = 1/2 mother + 1/2 father

50% eur, 50% amer  

I guess what I'm wondering is does blood relation have anything to do with where you are born.

For example, would I still have the same blood relations if I had the same parents, etc. but lived in canada?

[Asterax]

jn.wrath, I know the numbers would be messed up (I did that on purpose). All I did was make sure the whole numbers equaled 100% and just randomly typed in the rest.
For some reason, I was never a  fan of the 1/16 or 1/20th stuff (AHHH, I agree with Ace, someone shoot me). Besides..if doesn't have to with those 2 blue faces merged together to form a smile or a Penguin named Tux..I don't really take interest in it.
On a more serious note, I believe im part Irish and Scottish (lets say 50/50 for the hell of it), beyond that I have no idea what my origins are.

[theN00b]

In my case I am pretty ?much Russian. I am from Russia that explains it. ?But even in Russia it is a large melting pot of cultures just like the US. For instance I am 1/62 Tartar (Mongol) 1/32 Ukrainian and another 1/32 Estonian. As for genealogy I am not sure if there is any such thing as american ethnicty. There is Italian cause there was a ethnic tribe. Russians are an ethnic tribe. But Ameicans are not. Unless if you want to go into Native Americans. In which case there are ethnic differences between them. You will notice a large difference between an Inca indian and an Inuit. The concept of there being no American ethnicity is a Russian and European view. Probabbly Chinese too.
In my opinion. If your great grandparents are Caucasian, then you are full european. Not that you owe your allegiance to Europe. It is like saying a Greek blooded Roman living in Rome. You are pure Greek but your family has been living in Rome as Roman citezens for several generations. When do you say you are a ?ethnically Roman over Greek. Americans have been around for 230 odd years. If e look back 2000 years from now. People will most likley consider Americans as a ethnicity. There will be so much intermarraige not just between Scots and Irish but between Han Chinese and German.Shit now I have confused myself. I have a headache I need to go.

[PsYcO aSsAsSiN]

so what would you call a caucasian whose great-grandparents were born east of the ural mountains??? would he be 'full-blooded european'?

btw: by the time that "american" would be considered an ethnicity, the Earth would be so globalized that no distinctions among groups of people would exist.

[theN00b]

There are a good amount of tartars in the Crimea and in Tartarstan which is centered around the volga by the city of Kazan

[theN00b]

btw: by the time that "american" would be considered an ethnicity, the Earth would be so globalized that no distinctions among groups of people would exist.
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I guess that is a pretty good point,

[Grifter]

Loud... some of us actually have a good hold on their roots.  Especially since I'm heading to Granny Baker's 104th B-Day extravaganza in a week.

I'm 1/4 Native American (an american culture Bondo!), because Granny Baker is from the Cherokee reservation.  Her daughter, my Grandma Luck (short for Winniluca) married a fine dude that had come over from Scottland quite a long time ago.

My mother's side of the family is all from Scottland as well... though there was a Welchman that crawled into the bloodlines there too (making it not quite 100% Scott)

Yes, my parents are into geneology, and our family is traced back to the old country.

Now, my son will be a little less clear, as my wife's family hasn't been into the geneology thing.  I know that her mom has some Cherokee and Scott in her too, as we've talked about how funny it is.  But they haven't kept track.

So, personally, I'm an American.  I actually am 25% Native American and have the card to prove it (it helps when going to and from Canada too, along with not needing hunting liscenses, etc).  The rest of me is almost all Scott.  That's my liniage.  So when that bug irish bastard Ace and I talk about our Scott and Irish roots (and compare sheep shagging styles) we are doing so with humor, not really caring that we are both really Americans.  

[jn.loudnotes]

I understand that....I just wanted to know what it would be correct to call myself.  As you can say that you are 25% Cherokee....I would like to know if it is proper to say that I am 37.5% Austrian, for example.

By the way - does she live on the reservation in North Carolina - I hear that the Harrah's casino is very nice  

[Asterax]

I'm curious what do Native Americans and Casino's have to do with each other? I never understood why most Casino's are on Native American reservations...

[Bondo]

As a way of making it up to the Native Americans (yeah, like that would be possible), the goverment doesn't tax them for casinos like they do with other casinos, and they also allow casinos to be built on any reservation regardless of the state's laws about gambling (IIRC), that is what makes it profitable for them to run casinos.  On the other hand, some would argue that it is a way for the government to demean Native Americans and corrupt them.

[Grifter]

Bondo's pretty close there.  There are some other rules too... like the Indian Casino's can't have all the games that a normal casino would (so they invent games very much like them) and normal casinos have to "prove the odds"... i.e. ensure that the slots pay out every x amount of time to make sure they are not rigged.... Indian casino's don't have as tough of restrictions.

As for grandma Luck, no, she's not on the reservation.  Granny Baker moved off it a while back (the one in Tenn, not NC.)