Raven Shield - From the point of view of a player

[(SEALs) one]

Lol, Typhy, Ok man.

[Who Knows?]

RvS is not really that bad.
Sure recoil is different.  But believe me you can rush through levels about the same as you can in RS.  I've actually won a game online with it, and no I didn't camp.

I played the game on a 2ghz with a gf3 and it got about 40-60 fps average on most of the indoor maps.  The single player demo runs in the 20's on my pc with old radeon so use that to judge how it will perform, just chop off about 5 fps for a top of the line mac . . .  .

As far as weapons aim, recoil will definitely take getting use to, I do think some of the weapons feel too similar at times but the models and customization option (i.e. a mini scope or a larger capacity mag.) are cool.  I think not being able to judge throwing of nades sucks.

As a point of difference in the weapons you can try to shoot the oil cans on oil refinery.  The SMGs will not cause the oil barrels to explode but the ak-47 will.

Overall other than the more vocal minority(don't believe it sucks simply because you read so) it actually is a fun game and the use of shadows make it a much better for hiding.

If you think players are better on the pc. . . don't, my first 2 games online in the demo I was team-killed.  You can even punish team killers in RvS by making them sit out a round or just voting to kick them.

The weapons models can be removed you know, so whether you like them or hate them, having them in the game is a mute point as far as how "bad" they are.

Being based on the ragdoll physics is ok, but dead bodies do look stupid flung about often.

All your talk about GR community being mute with its central server support might also be over the top.  MOHAA for example has a pingable server lists and you don't see a lack of games on GR, you don't see a bunch but its not like a GR community is completely gone.

If I have any points wrong because of any released patch, then whatever, all my thoughts are based on the demos.  As far as buying the mac version I may wait until athena sword is also confirmed.  Although it will probably be bundled by the time I get a mac good enough to run it anyway.  

[[d]-[p a t]]

Like Typhy said, one... why the fuck would I spend 3,050$ on a game that I dislike anyways?

[Brain]

good points who knows, but mohaa wasn't a tom clancy game, a long time staple and backbone of the gr community. if RvS does not have gr support, this community will die (the sid meyer game type fans will probably still stay though)

[Typhy]

Brain, yet again, you think to highly of a game you haven't played.

Why will this community "die" to a weak game? Has America's Army killed this community? Seems to me that the community has "survived" it just fine.

You seem to think that Raven Shield will be so "amazingly good", that you'll want to instantly leave this community in order to play it in all your free time. I think you'll quickly find yourself mistaken after the first 4 hours of play.

[iGnome]

Guys just to let you know if GameRanger is still arround when Rvs comes to mac it will have support you wanna know why I know this it's because I was on the IMG chat when Aspyr reveild RVS and SC are coming to mac. As typhy said don't get your damn hopes up then again we get shit for games so we play what we are fed in rations by Aspyr and Macplay which choose what they want to port without asking the buyers. I mean I love the looks and the feel of Macs and OS X but it's lacking something   Games. I'm sick of waiting for a game that MIGHT come to mac while PC players have been cheating with if for the past year plus. The whole Mac Gaming Comunity has gone to Mexico since Ghr came to Mac.

[Typhy]

The whole Mac Gaming Comunity has gone to Mexico since Ghr came to Mac.

Yet again, one dimensional thinking. GHR is far from being the most popular mac game, many people just assume that because they think GameRanger is all there is.

A very small ammount of Mac Gamers use GameRanger, and while it's quite possibly the largest single community, it's far from being the only place that Mac Gamers play.

Anyone who buys a mac for gaming is just a dumbass. Not only do PC's kick mac's asses in framerates, there are 5 times as many games.

[iGnome]

what ment by "The whole Mac Gaming Comunity has gone to Mexico" was about GameRanger I know about people that play on macs outside of GR online infact the Carracho community plays Mohaa together and other games the buy. And Typhy I'm buying a Area-51 I'm sick of being fed small amounts of semi-good games or shity games that no one will buy.

[Typhy]

Heh, good choice, Gnome. That's the way to go for gamers.

There's an amazing difference from PC to Mac. Instead of getting weak ass games that get 35 FPS, you'll be getting kick ass games that run at 100 FPS.

With mac, you have to wait 6 months ( at least ) for poor ports of weak games. On PC, you've got an amazing ammount more options.  

[iGnome]

I stay with Macs because of the feel and the OS and the fact you can "buy" softwear easly if you have a decent cable connection and Carracho

[Typhy]

Lol, yes, that is a lovely way to "buy" software, as well as movies.

I can't stay Windows XP. I make sure to leave games running on my PC, simply so no one can see Windows on my computer.

If Mac OSX was for PC, I'd never buy another mac, aside from possibly mac laptops.  

[p u n]

r6 owns rvs.

[0 Kilz:M:]

Funny how the two most outspoken against RvS are the two with the biggest egos on gr  Is it because neither of you can get kills or you just owned repeatedly that makes this game suck for you. I agree it will not be a extension of RS with flanking pdw in hand....but as I remember....you HAD TO use 3 round burst in R6 to get any kills, so maybe they are taking this game back to it's roots...R6 styleee.

I'll be either way, because you can only play RS for so long...but if we could play the full mac conversion mod of Blackthorn RS would have a ton of life left in it.

[p u n]

why did u put shakira in a AK icon?

[Typhy]

Funny how the two most outspoken against RvS are the two with the biggest egos on gr

Nice job, Pat; we got first and second.

I find it funny how people say "you don't like a game because you suck at it", it's true, I generally have more fun at games I'm good at - that's probably because the games that I like, I play lots, and become good at.

America's Army is one of my favorite games, and I suck at it. In multiplayer games, I'm fine will getting a kill every other game.

I'm an average player at Raven Shield, nothing great.

I think the fact that we're the "two most outspoken against RvS" might have to do with the fact that most of those people who are so sure that it'll be great have never played it before. Pat and I have both played lots of RvS, and had enough time to form accurate opinions of it.

I'll give this link to Xo and jo when I get a chance, so they can throw in their opinions of RvS too. [/color]

[Maniac]

They also complain about the ret and how hard it is to dance and aim ect.

[BTs_Mysterio]

Anyone who buys a mac for gaming is just a dumbass. Not only do PC's kick mac's asses in framerates, there are 5 times as many games.

I tend to think anyone who buys any computer "Just for gaming" are just dumbasses. Games are a secondary for computers. If you're just looking to play games go grab a xbox or PS2. Stop wasting your time and money on something that costs a dozens of times more.

Those xboxs and PS2s have MP acess, what more do you want. All the games Ive ever played ran and looked great. I don't see why ppl buy computers for games. I by a mac cause a) the OS owns b) they are quality machines c) I dont need a game to run at or above 100 FPS to have fun and d) I don't need a game the day it is released for PC.

[Typhy]

Some of us have enough money to spare that it's not a big deal.

I can't play First Person Shooters on consoles, it's far to hard to aim. Also, all of the systems that you suggest require a TV - something that we don't have, as well as something that my parents won't let us have.

[Cobra]

Anyone who buys a mac for gaming is just a dumbass.

I s'pose you're referring to those who purchase them solely for gaming, but how about someone who buys a Mac with the intent of playing games in addition to using it for productivity purposes?  I'm getting a Daulie G5 sometime soon, and I fully intend to play games on it (and for it to perform quite nicely...), although playing games is not the reason for my purchase.  It'll primarily be my game development/video editting/modelling+rendering rig (XCode and FCP4?!  Booyah!).

Anyone who wants a system that is specificly engineered to run games can go buy a GameCube for less than $150.

Not only do PC's kick mac's asses in framerates, there are 5 times as many games.

As of the past few years (since the arrival of OSX), I haven't actually seen all that much on the PC side that never came to the Mac that would actually be worth a purchase.  Yes, waiting sucks, but the fact that we have to wait has more to do with the fact that 99/100 gamers run Windows than with any drawbacks in Apple hardware or software.

And, although no one can really say for sure yet whether this will be the case or not, I'm fairly confident the G5 is going to run games very nicely.  If I'm getting 250 FPS while a top-of-the-line Wintel system is getting 275-300 FPS, I really don't give a shit (not that any human could tell the difference without looking at a frame rate counter).  A slight loss in frame rate is an almost unavoidable side effect of porting a game to a platform other than the one it was originally built around (depending on how deep the platform specific optimizations were, and how much time/effort the porting house puts into optimizing it for the new platform), so I'm sure we're likely to continue to see Wintel systems outpacing Macs in the gaming sector...I just don't think the differences are going to be so large that a developer will be restricted from porting a game to the Mac due to hardware performance.  Macs will at least perform close to (or in some cases outperform) PC's with regard to games, much closer than they currently are.

If Mac OSX was for PC, I'd never buy another mac, aside from possibly mac laptops.

If OSX ran on x86 hardware?  Bleh...such a transition is not happening anytime soon, as it would most likely lead to the death of Apple.  But I'm not going into that here.  I'll happily stick with my G5, thank you.  Wasn't built with games in mind specifically (not that it can't play them well...), but this thing's gonna absolutely scream for things like video editing and 3d rendering (I will be using it for both).

[Typhy]

Cobra, I can understand what you're saying. Mac's are far better for most things, however, gaming isn't one of them. If you want the primary use for your machine to be games, then you'd be a dumbass if you got a mac.

Saddly, games won't run the same on a mac which is equal to a PC.

In a game like Ghost Recon, a PC will get 3 times the framerates of it's mac cousin.

On Medal of Honor, with a 64MB graphics card, you can put all your graphics settings on highest and get perfect framerates.