BTs_ Dirty Secrets Part 1

[X1 Xaiver]

 

Now first off before you all read this I in no way insulting any othrs clans in any way however I would like you all to read this information intercepted off of the BTs clan private forums.
I am in no way responsible for the content of this thread other than posting it. Read at your own risk!!!!!

Based on a cb with MP on April 16
4v4
10-8-3
TEAMWORK (4v4):
Usually they had 2 guys flanking... On bigger maps i noticed they
flanked in
both directions while keeping 2 guys as either campers or really really
slow
movers
Ace: Flanker guy... Mostly was seen using OICW/S and Sa80/N
Brain: FLanker guy....
Alaric: CAMPER...
Loth:CAMPER.... Used OICW/S Mostly... Has been known to be a Sniper.
Use caution when moving on these guys....
Maps they liked using:
Vilinus
Ghost Town
Embassy
Suggestions:
Take out the Flankers and let the campers come to you... They suck so
you'll
have a better chance getting them on the move... As campers (Loth) they
can
be considered some of the best....
**Note: MP Servers... They like to play defense on Siege...
If any of you guys have anything to add please do so..
If you play with them on any servers take a look at where they go and
where
they like to camp.... As for myself, I hate ace's servers so you won't
find
me there....
PEACE!
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Based on a cb with c| mar 13 02:43:18 pm

Re:MP - Mischievous Professionals
? Antwort #1 am: Mai 13, 2003, 02:43:18 pm ?
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Ace is by far the biggest asshole on GameRanger. I doubt he will CB us
again, because after he talked so much shit, he still got beat. They
usually
have one guy adanve straight at the eemy, while two flank. Don't let
Ace try
to bullshit you during a game. Meet his bluff and prove him wrong. Go
to
look at the rulers if you have too.
Jewb - Decent, aggressive. Flanker
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Re:MP - Mischievous Professionals
? Antwort #2 am: Mai 13, 2003, 09:17:56 pm ?
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My comments our these guys are great shit talkers when you work their
asses.? Then they get mad and use the good old I will sit and wait
tactic.?
Most of them are on my shit list headed by ACE. May they get hit by
cars.

I watched them too, it wasnt so bad for me. On red square we had the
bader
spawnpoint as them. They controlled a lot of the map while we just were
into
a bad corner, into a trap.
Well what i want to say is, that the movement we used was notbad. I
think
this is the thing we know and we should build on this. Expand and shit
like
this.
I think that an important thing is to FIND THEYR SPAWN POINT and DONT
SHOW
THEM OURS. On Vilnius, it may be possible to run out in the beginning
of the
game hardly. If have one spawn point controlled and its not theyr one,
we
already have 2 points where we could been started at. from this spawn
point
its easy to set up sensors at the outgoing corners so we have the area
controlled. I have seen that c| isnt really hardly camping so if we
sensored
up a really big part of the map, this may helps.
And the last thing i have to say, is: A OICW has the same chances
against an
other OICW around a corner. We have to turn our chances up. Nades is an
important part and also nade launcher.
!!! It should be very well organised what the people are using on which
map.
!!!
The Weapon which is the one whos used in a cb should also be the same
weapon
into train games. If a weapon is very well trained and u know all
feautures
of it, You have bether chances. A full trained OICW has the bether
chances
against a normal oicw. To "over all" movement, i must say this was not
bad.
Covering people must be trained well and walking together too.
That was just a thing in my brain which i needed to give out to you. If
u
think its totally shit, ignore or delete it.



but i noticed a "tactic" of c|
the dead guys are using a 3rd person view.....
the alife one, hides behind a corner and is more or less, only wacthing
at
the wall etc.
the dead one can see what is behind the corner, and tells the other
ones
with nf what he sees.....
if he notced u, he tells his teammade to move, and u get shot....



Hey! Im talkin about you guys again!

Okie, playing with eight tonight we went up against X1 and Narauko.?
Something i noticed about Narauko, while playing on battlefield, is
that
both times i ran into him, he was running down the very west side of
the
map, comming from spawnpoint 4 (no matter where he spawned, he would go
that
way)? The grids were E3 - G3, i think. On that map i think he takes the
OICW/GL, and uses it for carpet bombing.? On Embassy, Narauko was using
the
SA80 & Grenades, seemed to be using nades semi-effectively.? Thats all
for
now.

+MOD+ Tactics

I will try to note in this thread MOD's tactics--if any, lol.
#1- SAB always uses demo kit 9 SA80/frags, BFG uses OICW/sensors or
SA80/frags always.? Skillz usually takes OICW/sensors.? Sivak usually
takes
SA80/frags.
#2- SAB and Sivak are almost always? flankers.
#3- On Embassy, SAB always goes for the embassy roof.
#4- On Red Square, Skillz favors the center building in the south.
More to come-- I have to jog memory,
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Re:MOD
? Antwort #1 am: Juli 07, 2003, 10:42:45 pm ?
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MOD's Favorite Maps:
Red Square
Embassy
Small River
Vilnius
Small Docks

Virus Tactics

Virus is a very tough competitor. DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THEM.
But after all, we are BTs_ and we beat them. And we'll continue to do
so.
Couple of points:? MP01 (little river) they immediately nade the
waterfall,
be very careful. My suggestion is to immediately get outta there and
secure
a position far enough away that a nade won't get you, and that you are
hidden. After that, its on you. be careful they move slow.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? mp08 (battlefield)? they fanned out and
then
took us out one by one... had sensor traps everywhere.? Be aware that
they
use the south-east cliffs as a camping point after setting sensors up.?
One
always moved to the biuldings (ie: church, ruins, etc.) and kept watch,
be
carefull if you don't move to that position immidiately after the game
begins, it's guaranteed there's one there.? Also, One was also camping
all
the way in the south of the map... hoping that someone will run by him.
Well
one did, and after we got nailed, he stayed there.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Aurora:? Always one went to the north-west
compound,
and one flanked east and west, get a? good position, and camp is my
advice,
they weren't too hard.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Mountain: A fav of theirs, sensor the top
center
rige immediately and fall back below.? they won that because we weren't
prepared.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Caves: CAMP CAMP CAMP.... be careful... check
at
every tree and bush.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Red Square:? ? be careful, they don't necessarily
camp,
but they do. They move into position and stay there and wait for
someone to
move into position in front of them. Depends all upon the start points,
but
I'm sure you can figure out good set-up positions to wait for enemy at
all
the start points.
? ? That's it for now, unfortunately the one's we lost are kinda short
since
there were no tactics to be seen.

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Re:[V] Virus
? Antwort #1 am: Mai 27, 2003, 04:29:55 pm ?
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after we lost against collective and then against network too, this
could be
the next clan which could make some problems, especially because Joka
is now
inside there.
This could be a task for the "battle team" which fights against c| and
|n|.
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Re:[V] Virus
? Antwort #2 am: Mai 27, 2003, 09:27:06 pm ?
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Roger that....
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Re:[V] Virus
? Antwort #3 am: Juni 19, 2003, 05:20:21 pm ?
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What a joke this clan has become...
Getting beaten by MOD guys and Animal clan... What a joke!
Last years winners? I think the Winner title should go towards Flies
instead
of all of Virus...

(Just a little insert from me, Wolf, this is the kind of shit that made
me
leave BTs, this is what Eight is doing all over the place, more and
more
now.  Incase you hadnt noticed. =P...now, moving on)

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Re:[V] Virus
? Antwort #4 am: Juni 19, 2003, 07:14:38 pm ?
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RGR THAT EIGHT!
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Re:[V] Virus
? Antwort #5 am: Juni 19, 2003, 08:44:55 pm ?
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and joka doesnt help them?
muuuuuuuuuuuaaaaaaaah now u see how good joka was......
would be interessting how good i meight be when i play with v?

The Network Tactics

Re:|n| The Network
? Antwort #1 am: Mai 29, 2003, 03:24:08 am ?
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Ok, this is kind of long, but it will give you a pretty good idea of
what
the |n| guys will do on any given map.? The games were played with
Noto,
Juggla, Skull, and Paladin.? iMolk came in half way through.?
K, from what i could tell, every |n| takes OICW/Sensors, except Skull,
who
switched between Sensors and GL, tho primarily GL.?
Paladin frequently took a support gun, MG3 or SAW, though i think he
may
just have been screwing around, he used it semi-effectively for pinning
fire, while the rest of the team advanced.?
I dont think there is anything else, however it is good to remember
that
this is just a little guide as to how these specific |n| worked
together,
and at the particular situation, this doesnt mean this is what they
will all
do in a CB, but it can give you a general idea of what the specific
people
will do if we go up against them in a CB, so we can know somewhat of
what
they themselves MIGHT do.
Here is a list of the games we played, its a little unorganized because
i
was trying to type it all down as the game progressed.? I took a couple
gajillion screenshits of where people were going and their weapons, i
should
be flooding eight's computer with them in a moment, so you can get them
from
him, or? ask me to send them to you.
|n| - Red Square, Noto and SKull headed for the seats across the way,
and
advanced along the side, paladin camped in the middle west side with a
sensor, next to the monument in the middle.? Juggla went along the
backside.? Noto using OICW/sensors. skull unknown.
(RS Round two) - iMolk camps at north middle of map,? grid M2, and
doesnt
move, period.? Noto and rest of |n| spread out and used paladin for
supressing fire with MG3, to advance on positions.? Didnt see any |n|
using
the back way to advance.
Embassy - From spawn 4, went to 3 & 1, noto and juggla did, covered
flanks
then converged on middle, paladin set sensor on inside corner of
embassy
grounds, H10.? Sar uses M4/rocket launcher.
(Emb round 2) - Juggla and Paladin cover spawn point 2 by hiding behind
rubble at F9, paladin used that to supress advance at D12.? iMolk
circled
around embassy and came out by the bank.? Noto hung back and let people
die
at D12, then attempted to advance down through the embassy grounds and
flank
by going into ally from the parking garage side.
Airbase - Paladin camped on ridge at K11/10, Noto swung south west
along
bottom of map, while juggla it looks like came south as well, from the
NW
spawnpoint.? Interesting to note that DFA Sar glitched on the hill near
where paladin camped out. (with sniper rifle)
Swamp - Didnt know what they were doing, all |n| followed noto, and
didnt
know what to do or where to go.? Primarily stayed near the spawnpoint
on
high ground and watched for any movement.? Skull swung wide from his
spawn
and came in from the flank, while the rest of his team was engaging
mine in
the south.? Juggla, Paladin, and Noto all took OICW/Sensors.
Ghost Town - Noto, OICW/Sensors? Paladin/skull camp upper town with
sensor
traps.? Skull takes OICW/ Nades, Paladin Sensors.? Noto unsure, seemed
to
try a fast moving spearhead from behind, went to known spawn, then
followed
the likely route the other team would have taken, to attempt a hit from
behind, or flank.?
RoadBlock - Juggla sensor camps at K15 area, parked beside bunker with
a
sensor guarding approach down, set sensor ambush.? Juggla & Noto,
always
take sensors, Paladin as well, Skull seems to go for the OICW/GL
Aurora - Juggla & Paladin immediately went down south from spawnpoint
4,
crossed bridge, went into gulch and came up other side through rocks,
flanked.? skill waited in compound it seemed like.? Skull uses NF,
Juggla as
well it seems
Stronghold - Two |n| went north immediately along edge of map, skull
camped
in compound.? Juggla and iMolk camped their spawn.? Noto doesnt use
command
maps, juggla does
VIlnius - Juggla and Paladin paired up from spawn 1 and went down
street to
the souh west, Skull swung up around thru street to check top spawn,
(#4?)?
Without Noto on their team, it seems that |n| loses alot of its
direction,
as paladin and juggla came under fire and wouldnt advance period.
POW Camp - iMolk and other |n| swung up from spawn 4 around POW camp in
attempted backdooring.? Skull went into POW camp and came through that
way.?
So skull went through POW camp to hit from side or stall advance while
iMolk
swung around back.?
Mountain? - |n| immediately went for high ground, and when superior
numbers
achieved, came down from higher ground to mop up.
River (small) - Skull went for high ground, as well as noto i think.?
Three
|n| on my team, one anchored the middle, two flanked, caused trouble
but
just gave pinning fire, did not assault. (one left and one went right)
Farm Day - juggla camp A10, imolk camp at I16.? Noto swung around top
of map
to A, flanked there.? Juggla went through fields by downed plane, skull
swung south and came in at L Grid.? Noto came down along river once
superior
numbers established.
Riverbed - |n| not very used to Riverbed, noto expressed dislike of
it.?
imolk and juggla camped along ridge at N4-5.? Camp.? Noto and Juggla
checked
spawn points, then backed up the one that found the real spawn.? Skull
advanced across riverbed while being covered by iMolk and Juggla.? Once
superior numbers established, juggla advanced and mopped up, iMolk
unknown.
Refinery - noto went for ramp, skull unknown, imolk swung up from
refinery
and was moving into position to cover the top of the ramp from the
buildings.?
Creekbed - iMolk set up probably in the I or H grids, paladin covered
spawn
three, then moved only a few minutes into the game.? iMolk at J7,
corner of
house, skull crossed river and died at K9.?
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Re:|n| The Network
? Antwort #2 am: Mai 29, 2003, 03:28:04 am ?
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one more thing, Noto doesnt use the Command maps, however Juggla does.?
And
it isnt any surprise they use NF.
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Re:|n| The Network
? Antwort #3 am: Mai 29, 2003, 03:38:05 am ?
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BTs_Lone-Wolf: Juggla has the command maps, but Noto doesnt
Ok, was explaining some stuff to eight and he asked me to put it up on
the
forum, and i, in classic lazy bastard style, am far too lazy to delete
my
name from the msgs i was sending to eight.? So, here it is (i did
however
delete eight's msgs, since he didnt have anything intelligent to say,
as
usual)? ? Wub you eight!
BTs_Lone-Wolf: and they use NF
BTs_Lone-Wolf: just giving you all the info i got
BTs_Lone-Wolf: in addition Noto is their leader, as far as i could see
in
this game
BTs_Lone-Wolf: Paladin Juggla and Skull would usually follow Noto
wherever
he went if they were on the same team
BTs_Lone-Wolf: iMolk was more prone to striking out on his own
BTs_Lone-Wolf: if Noto wasnt with them, they would pair up and advance,
however they were very very slow about it
BTs_Lone-Wolf: Noto is definately their leader
Bts_Lone-Wolf: without him they dont have much decision making
capability,
and will generaly stall in the area theyre in if they come under fire.

Please post what you think about this. Personally I am in shock =O

[SignTist]

what the fuck you mean you're not responsib;e>?/ Where do you get off putting that shit here. Were you invited to the site? Were you in BTs ever? I'm glad that you have somehow gained access to our private forums, and that you are now showing HOW WE FUCKIN SMACK YOU ALL DOWN YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKER!


Ya, we have dossiers, we fuckin know who does what... and you have the fuckin balls to put it here? You big fuckin pussy! I wish I knew who you were, I'd smack you down so fuckin hard you'd beg for mercy from a bitch touching you, you worthless piece of shit!  You are so fucked asshole, I'm making it a mission to bring you down motherfucker... you're done!


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[x1|sixshooter]

In all fairness xaiv was simply the liason here.... dont shoot the messenger...
anyways, i Frankly am appalled at  the slanderous accusations in this document, I mean, I like MP|Ace, i dont see why you call him an "ass hole"
im not sure where this info came from, but maybe you ahve a traitor among your ranks???

[BTs SUCKSHAIRYGONADS!]

OMFG THIS IS SO HALARIOUS (and satisfying)!!!! UP YOUR ASS BTS!!!!!!


 

[Toxic::Joka]

What a joke this clan has become...
Getting beaten by MOD guys and Animal clan... What a joke!
Last years winners? I think the Winner title should go towards Flies
instead
of all of Virus...

(Just a little insert from me, Wolf, this is the kind of shit that made
me
leave BTs, this is what Eight is doing all over the place, more and
more
now.  Incase you hadnt noticed. =P...now, moving on)

now compare that....to this... http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/index.php?board=3;action=display;threadid=4332

same text...

Now eight id like your comment on why lone wolf says you made that post.

[Typhy]

Now eight id like your comment on why lone wolf says you made that post.

The only thing that I'd like to see is an explaination from X1 Xavier as to why this was posted.

What is said in private should remain private. Very cheap move to post such things.

[BTs_eight]

Funny

Lone-wolf said he never said such thing.
Didn't u and nova an wolf all leave because everytime i got into a fight with someone on the forums everyone blamed bts? If i have something to say i do so. I dont give a fuck what problems it brings... maybe stupid but i dont go around posing as a guest. Maybe an admin can check the ip of Mr. Sinister post? See if it matches mine?

Bah... its all old info anyways... unlike alot of u clans out there we kept records on everyone so we were not surprised when cb time came around.

and so what?! if we want to call ace whatever the fuck we WANT!

ITS OUR PRIVATE SECTION OF OUR FORUMS!

But whatever...

Sign an the rest of BTs... Leave this issue alone we got nothing to hide and all the info is old anyways...

You think the Collective has been watching you?

hehehe.....

[BTs_eight]

By the way... Whoever did steal an post that info who was in BTs...

Should be checked to see how loyal one can be to a clan.....
I think that all clans out there should keep an eye on any ex-bts players....

They came in as friends, had there disagreements... and now backstabs the clan.

I also think its wierd that most of that is in german (or some other language) and yet somehow i am to believe that Lone-wolf was the guy who read and posted little notes here and there on it?

My money is on either Joka who keeps crying about his stupid SS (which by the way this all started right after joka re-asked for them and again was denied)

Or Nova who left unhappy.

Well shows you how much u can trust those 2. Maybe theyre new clan  will put up with all their bs. and when they are done with them post private info to the public.

I would like to know xa why you would post PRIVATE bts info?

ADMINS PLEASE CHECK IPS!

[Toxic::Joka]

Lone-wolf said he never said such thing.
Didn't u and nova an wolf all leave because everytime i got into a fight with someone on the forums everyone blamed bts?

Errr....no thats not why I left, couple weeks ago you said I left cause I couldnt play in a cb....hey whadda ya know, seems like you know why i left better than i do, you seem like an expert in the matter...
*mumbles* motha fu..k..*mumbles*

By the way... Whoever did steal an post that info who was in BTs...

Should be checked to see how loyal one can be to a clan.....
I think that all clans out there should keep an eye on any ex-bts players....

They came in as friends, had there disagreements... and now backstabs the clan.

I also think its wierd that most of that is in german (or some other language) and yet somehow i am to believe that Lone-wolf was the guy who read and posted little notes here and there on it?

My money is on either Joka who keeps crying about his stupid SS (which by the way this all started right after joka re-asked for them and again was denied)

Or Nova who left unhappy.

Well shows you how much u can trust those 2. Maybe theyre new clan  will put up with all their bs. and when they are done with them post private info to the public.

I would like to know xa why you would post PRIVATE bts info?

ADMINS PLEASE CHECK IPS!

Wtf, why the fuck are you dragging me in this mess, im just wondering if you made that post....wouldnt be unheard of if you insulted someone in your posts...

And eight...youre really not in a position to be calling anyone a backstabber...yea, I still remember that vote  

edit: and no i did not copy bts forum text.

ps. admins plz do check those IP's

[BTs_eight]

Joka..

You dragged yourself into this mess by posting a room with this info.

I DONT USE GUEST ACCOUNTS.

what is said in the text yes i did write it IN OUR FORUMS.
What was said by snister on DAMN was not me. Have the ips checked.

And what now? I dont have the right to say whatever i want on my private section of my forums?

EAT ME!

[Toxic::Joka]

Yes eight you are allowed to post what you want on your forums.

But if I remember the rules correctly, posting something like that over here gets you a ban...  

So yea...lets get that IP checked if possible

[BTs_eight]

Even if it was which it isnt... I dont think i should be banned for a rule that started AFTER the post was made.

IP CHECK PLEASE

[Cow]

holyshit clans were NEVER that organized, BT you guys did your Homework and that fucking pwnz.  Tell everyone to STFU and flash ur title.

[SignTist]

In all fairness xaiv was simply the liason here.... dont shoot the messenger...
anyways, i Frankly am appalled at  the slanderous accusations in this document, I mean, I like MP|Ace, i dont see why you call him an "ass hole"
im not sure where this info came from, but maybe you ahve a traitor among your ranks???

There is no messenger here... there is one or a few that are just looking for BTs to get a bad rap... that's bullshit!

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[Th3 M?l3]

This wuz only part one.  Th3 M?l3 lives!  Who do u turst!

Any1 want to know about all the crashez BTs has?  Want one of our tactics?

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CRASHING!
?on: May 21, 2003, 10:09:23 PM ?
Ok... Thanks to the Network's Cheap win over us we now know what to do whenever we have a problem with GhR.

If for any reason something is not right... Abort the game...

That means LEAVE THE GAME BEFORE YOU GET SHOT!

Seems like if you crash out it saves you from a bullshit win.

What is this w00t everyone speaks of?

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Re:CRASHING!
?Reply #1 on: May 22, 2003, 10:30:36 PM ?
Affirmative, rgr that.... thanks

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There will be more!!!  

[Mr.Mellow]

My God. My God. I am somewhat saddened, and disappointed. This is disgusting, really. I mean, how can you NOT have an AgT Tactics thread, BtS? Oh yeah, it's cuz we suck and don't use tactics. Whoops.   But anyways, shouldn't have posted their private information and stuff on the *DAMN forum. Bad boy.

[Saberian 3000]

Well, it's nice to know how BTs really thinks about other clans.  One minute they are kewl with them, the next they are backstabbing them in their own private forum.  And Sturm, nice way to backstab you're so called friends bro.  Nah, obviously you would never do that like you said to us before lol.  Whatever.  It's nice to know there is no honor there.

+MOD+Saberian

P.S. Now I see why you blocked Skillz, nice job traitor

[BTs_Ch A oS]

Big Deal! What does everyone expect?  Anyone could fake all those posts or just alter some to make them seem more juicy.  Sab, I blocked skillz cuz he was getting all "gay-this" and "gay-that" and going off about some alleged posting on a private site that if you will read, my posts don't reveal to much of +MOD+'s magic--just a few generalities about a few of your habits that could be learned from playing against you (not just from being in +MOD+ formerly).  I would have no problem if +MOD+ had remembered how I play AND posted on their site.  I don't see how this is being a TRAITOR???!!!???  

READ the alleged 2 posts attributed to me SAB!
NO HONOR---lol!

[SignTist]

holyshit clans were NEVER that organized, BT you guys did your Homework and that fucking pwnz.  Tell everyone to STFU and flash ur title.

LOL, thanks cow!


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