GameRanger Shutting Down?

[cookie]

I agree with loudnotes. It's a first!

Anyway, the thing really irking me about this conversation is how Evill is being made out to be a saint or something of the like. What you neglect to realize is that it's his JOB. If i was a banker and i hooked a bunch of people up with free checking accounts, are they supposed to worship me and support me in hard times? Hell no, it's just my job. This was evill's choice in life, and god damn is he ever a prick about it sometimes. Plus, he's a programmer, do you think he'd be making much more at another programming job as opposed to this? Maybe, but probably not. Aside from the elite few, programmers get paid shit.

Maybe evill should, as suggested, get a day job. It was probably a bad idea to rely on gameranger as a sole source of income, anyway. On the plus side for the guy though, at least alot of people know his name. Maybe not always for GOOD things, but whatever.

I'm going to be really surprised if he does shut down GR, since he'd have to refund everyone, and it would basically be throwing it all away. Kinda sucks if he does, but c'est la vie. I'm sure someone will follow in his footsteps.

[Mr.Wuggles]

ummmmm..... what she said... well i dont think this thing is that big of a deal... in my opinion i think its next to none that it will shut down... my opinion tho. look on the bright side theres a 90% chance someone is gonna buy gameranger or there will be a new multiplayer battle net.

[AK_Rap1d]

well said Cookie

GR is what put Evill on the map.   If he shuts it down, it will fade just like his name he built for himself by providing this.  Hell, he's a gamer himself, and it's probably how this whole thing came alive.  Do you think if he was doing it for the money, he'd still be here?  There's no way he's made enough money off those cheap ass video game companies that won't even show their support to Evill, for making their game more easily available for lots of consumers to play, and become popular and be sold more!  Why do you think he has stats of the games played and users and all that other good stuff?  Evill made a name for himself by making GR.  By shutting it down, he'd be ending that name he made for himself.  Do you think he's really going to give that up now?  Hell, might be the only way he'll ever make a name for himself around this world, so how dumb would it be for him to throw it all away?  If he does, that'll be one hell of a bad move for himself.  Hell, it's Life Chess, his move next.

[(SEALs) one]

Evill used to make Quake mods if any of you didn't know, and I guess he started Gameranger for Mac players by Mac players.  He has to keep the server up and running 24/7.  Yet, Gameranger is an online community that has grown threw the years.  I'd suggest not to shutdown Gameranger, but if Evill wants to; at least sell Gameranger itself and all its name trademarks/copyrights to some company or person(s).  Therefore Gameranger can continue and expand, hopefully.  I like the idea of including the Gameranger software into all Apple Computers.

[kami]

Just get it out of your heads, he's not going to close it down within the near future, that would just ruin him into bankrupcy.

I think this is just one of his 'down periods', uttering shit like this and not acting on it. Not to be mean but it's how he is. I've heard people suspecting him of just saying this so that more people will buy premium, but I mean, what the hell, if it works, good on ya Scott.

[Psyks]

Actually this was just a big joke py started to show how dumb all u newbs are case closed.

[|MP|Buccaneer]

are they supposed to worship me and support me in hard times?

Cookie, not bitching and worshiping are not synonymous.  

Plus, he's a programmer, do you think he'd be making much more at another programming job as opposed to this? Maybe, but probably not. Aside from the elite few, programmers get paid shit.

Cookie, I pay the programers that work for me between $45k and $95k a year, depending on what they can do and their talent.  These are Java and Oracle developers I'm talking about.  And this isn't Silicon Valley, this is Detroit.  So yes, he'd be making so many times more then he makes right now that it is not funny.

I don't know what you think he makes, but it's either much more then he actually does, or you aren't as in touch with what developers make in the market today as you think.

I'm not saying that Evill is a saint.  I'm saying that if he closed it down, anyone that didn't pay doesn't really have a right to bitch.  And if people are really concerned, they should pay up.  If you don't care, then you don't care, but then you are a little person if you bitch when it's gone (if it goes).  This isn't about Evill, this is about the community supporting it, or not, and if not, don't bitch.

[Saberian 3000]

I dont think that I quite understood the personal shit that was going thru Evill's head in the last few months that led up to this but now it makes sense by what Bucc said.  I feel bad for giving him shit now for not taking care of some issues I had with people in GR.  I can see that his hands must be seriously full with this server and for that I can understand Scott's frustration.  I am going to encourage all my guys to buy premium, so I suggest everyone else do the same if they havent already.  Long live Gameranger!  And for those who wont buy it, well, they can either grow some nuts and buy it or, they can eat shit and die!

+MOD+Saberian

[|MP|Buccaneer]

Psyks, you wish it was all a joke.  Evill did tell me that he had been thinking about it a little bit ago.  And that is no joke at all.

[Maniac]

Lol i love a nice flamewar keep at it.

This isn't a flamewar.  What are you talking about?  This is people discussing whether or not they think Gameranger will be shut down, the reasons for both sides and things that can be done to help.

[Brain]

to be honest i think one of evill's problems is that he has yet to put a 'must have' feature  into premium (at least from my perspective

[BTs_Ch A oS]

Well,

  there is one:

           HE might actually answer you and even help.  If you don't pay why should he?

[Maniac]

If he shuts down then we are all going to have nothing until someone else makes somthing.This might be somthing to get people to buy premium, but i don't think so bucc has said it, and i 100% agree with what he has said. I also no it's not a flamewar, so lets keep it that way.

[Mr.Mellow]

Well, if enough people buy Premium, he won't shut down. He won't want to refund all that money.  

[|MP|Buccaneer]

A few of us wandered into his conversation last night, and one of the things he said was that he could just make it premium only.  Be like .mac and just give a date that he was shutting out all non-premium members.  Some mentioned that it would kill GR, but he said he didn't think so, that many people would figure out that it was worth it after being locked out for a week or so.

Someone brought up how much people bitched about Apple doing that, and he responded "yeah, and Apple is laughing all the way to the bank about it" or something to that effect.  

Don't know how serious he was about this, but food for thought.

[Fusion]

It would be alot easier to get a premium account if it was $25.  And I think alot more people would get it. I will support gameranger as soon as i can but $50 is hard to get a hold of right now.

[Mr.Mellow]

If he was really smart, he'd sell 6 month accounts for $30. That way he'll make more profit than the yearly subscription, and it'd be easier for us poor folks to afford. Evill, if you're reading this, feel free to steal this idea and put it into use.

[Jeb]

well,
in comparison with the idisk "fiasco" (which i pay for as well as GR), the idisk keeps coming out with features, and free downloads and other cool things. But there hasn't been much GR development since premium came out. Its sorta a double edged sword, either evill needs to step up and make some good features, or people need to put faith in GR, and spend 50$ on something that hasn't no selling point aside from supporting someone's work. The only way he could ever convince a casual gamer to spend 50$ on it was if it had some appeal aside from an icon and a name in bold. Right now the only people who have premium are the gr whores with money. If he wanted to get a ton of new subscribers, he could try to impliment a ingame voice chat system. The groundwork for this is gr already.

I pay for premium because i think its best to support gr, sure the big icon for porn is nice, but unless evill actually wants to make something of this he needs to reevaluate the business plan, or gr could/will die.

[Mr.Mellow]

Hmm. From the way he's talking though, it seems like he's mostly just sick of working on GR and dealing with annoying bastards. I'm sure money has something to do with it, but the way he was talking about how he threw 5 years of his life down the drain (or something to that effect) makes it sound like he's just disgusted with GR itself. I dunno, though...

[|MP|Buccaneer]

Mellow, he's said that many times, you are correct.  Dealing with people that have been bitching at him all the time is a big part of the problem.  But, he's also said that it would have been worth it if he was making decent money from it to.  

Both people being ingrates and not paying are big factors.  Changing one big time could help, changing both would help even more.  I think that's where I started =D