WWDC 2003: G5, Panther, iChat AV,...

[(SEALs) one]

I just started this thread to talk about the new software,panthar,hardware, and other new products at the WWDC and of course the Keynote which is going on right now.

[FahQ2]

they just announced the G5.  Wooohoooo!

[AK_Rap1d]

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(I know the gossip was out, but it's now confirmed! )

[[[EUR]] HoloGram]

This is the one rease that it can happen that u see me on GR very soon . AGAIN .

THIS COMPUTER IS OWSOME AND KICK ASS.

APPLE did their best work for years !

[Typhy]

While I've got the money to get the top of the line G5, I plan to wait.

Right now, both my laptop and my desktop can run everything that's out so far. The only places where I have problems are Omaha Beach ( Medal of Honor - everything on highest ), and UT 2003 with everything on highest. Because of this, I plan to wait until there are games out that I don't have the power to run at over 35FPS, then I'll probably get a new G5.  

[*DAMN Mauti]

Yeah Baby yeah! That's what I waited for I'll get mine in January(at least dual 2Ghz) after the probably first revision and speed bumps.

From half the PC speed to "double" PC speed is a great and very important step for Apple. I love the great architecture of the new Macs however there are still some things that bug me!

I think if I buy a Mac for 3000bucks I at least should get the top notch graphic card! Not a shabby 64MB VRAM midrange consumer card! Even the G4 top model had a Titanium as standard with 128MB VRAM but yet I have to pay additional 300bucks for a video card.  

Another thing that disturbs me is that because of the new design I can only get 2 HDs into my Mac and not 4 as before. I would like to have one disk for my system and mp3s and 2 250Gbyte disks as Raid 0(double datarate) for video editing and games... Further have you noticed that in the Apple Store one 250disk costs 150bucks and 2 650. I think that must be a fault.

Last but not least I don't understand why they built in 4x superdrives although 8x superdrives are already available!

What do you think about the design? First I was totaly shocked, but eventually I started to like it. All in all it is a typical "Form follows Function" design and half the noise sounds great.

Yep to sum up my first impressions: APPLE ROCKZ!!!! even there are some very tiny cosmetic faults

My apple stocks are moving up to the sky  

Mauti
ps.: I merged this thread with Rapid's poll!

[SiGmA_X]

I just read about it! Oh god, it's freaking awsome! I would be buying one, but I don't have the heart to learn Mac OC.. If I could run Debian Linux or BLFS on it I would deff. shell out the money. That is SO nice! Jesus!

BTW, if your all thinking wtf is a PC guy saying a Mac is better, wtf? I am not saying a Mac is better. I personally don't care about who makes the hardware. I like the best The OS is the choice I like. So I use x86/Linux not Mac/OS X. I would be using a 64-bit Mac CPU anyday over a x86-32. Why? Because it's NOT about the hardware or who makes it!!

[*DAMN Mauti]

Hi Romulus,

Nedaf wanted to talk with you. Back to topic: damn it I just realised that the new G5 PowerMac has also only one optical bay next to the 2HD bays. Old G4 had  4HD bays and 2optical bays. That's definatley a step back   Romulus since you are using Linux as your OS choice you don't play games, do you!? I personally have to work much with Linux at university and I must say it is overrated if you want a system that works for you and not were you work for the system... What the hell do you do on Linux, I honestly don't see the purpose of it except getting a lot of developers together under the OpenSource license???

Mauti
ps.: nevertheless I'm happy that Bucc and his MacHack conspiracy were proven wrong  

[Jeb]

I'd wager that you don't know how to install anything but gentoo linux on a PC, And yes you can run debian on a mac. Anyhow bsd owns you blah blah blah NOOB.

The new towers are nice, i want to wait and get the dual 2ghz because it will be much faster, besides its only 1k more.

[Ace]

Gentoo? Hah! I bet he runs Red Hat straight from the box.

Mauti, there is no point to Linux if you can afford Mac hardware. The only thing that you can do on a Linux x86 box that you can't do on a Mac is play a few games using WINE. Of course, most of the games that actually run in WINE are ported natively to OS X so it's not saying much.

[*DAMN Mauti]

Back to topic how do you rate the design and the low HD /optical drive expansion bays!? Does it matter for you?

Mauti

[.vooDoo.]

SHMEXXY, VERY SHMEXXY

[Ace]

Mauti, I think only two HD bays is just fine. You can fit over 300 GB easily, 500 GB if you get big enough drives. If you need any more than that, you can add Firewire drives to your hearts content.

I've heard some people bitching about only one optical drive bay, but I've never seen a need for two. I'll be fine.

[Cow]

another thing depending how much music you have if you put them in AIFF form you can save space because AIFF takes up less space then MP3 form

[Cobra]

Wow....I am extremely impressed, and I'll probably get a nice dual 2GHz if I can afford one come September.  I hadn't really expected these things to start thrashing Xeons  O.o

Looks like they do very nicely in the gaming sector, as well.  In the Quake III benchmarks, the G5 outperformed the fastest Pentium 4 at 640x480x16 by over 80 FPS (G5 had 359, P4 had 277).  At 1024x768x32, the G5 bested the P4 by over 60 FPS (G5 had 337, P4 had 275).  Excellent.

[|MP|Buccaneer]

The nice thing about 2 optical bays is the ability to buy a cheap CD or CDRW that's really fast and drop it in there, since the Superdrives are slow on the read.  Not a big deal and I bet 99% of the users out there never added anything to that bay.  

With 2 internal HD's that is plenty too.  You can stripe them and make a super fast drive, leave them as two, whatever.  But like Ace said, you can have 500 - 600 GB's of data right there if you want it.  Besides being able to run external Firewire, you can also buy a raid card and connect to a huge ass RAID if that's your need.  

I don't need to upgrade any time soon, but oh do I want to.  Must resist, must hide credit card.

As for choices, I know that some people are on a budget, but looking at the specs and the prices, everyone should go for the dual 2.0GHz.  Look how little of a jump it is over the single 1.8GHz.  You are talking about a $600 dollar difference (well, $550 if you back it up to the same video card).  You can easily save another $200 by getting the Combo Drive and not the Superdrive (how many of you actually use the DVD Burner?)

btw, Cow, step away from the bong.  AIFF takes up less space then MP3?  I think you mean AAC.  AIFF is the format that's used on the CD itself.

[(SEALs) one]

I think the new Apple G5 is great, has lots of new features and enhancements.  Can't wait to try out the ichat av, and safari.

Onto the future:  
In January, wherever the next expo will be, I'm guessing Boston
Hardware:
G5 Powerbooks
1.2ghz,1.4ghz,1.6ghz and ATImobility radeon 9600 graphic cards
Revised G5 Desktops
1.8ghz,2ghz,dual 2.2ghz ATI Radeon 9800 Pro,nvidia 5800fx
iMac Speed bump and graphic card bumps
800mhz,1ghz,1.2ghz nvidia 5200fx graphic cards

Back to the topic, at first I thought the design of the G5 looked awkward, but as I kept looking at it I began to like it like Mauti.  I like the one optical drive due to the fact I know I will never use the 2nd one.  The dual 2ghz is a deal...faster speed,more ram, but same graphic card. I think Apple is widening the difference between the G5 and Xserve in HD storage..."if you want more storage buy an xserve, if not just buy a G5"

[Cow]

i dont know about G5 powerbooks, there were problems with cooling the G4 powerpooks and ibooks and the new G5 is a cooling masterpiece, it will take some insane enginering to put a G5 in a laptop saftely.  The Grfx cards are kinda lame though  =/ raedon 9800 is nice though... more will come with the new computers and 10.3 then an increase in marketshare hopefully but there was also an article in slashdot saying Linux desktops with surpass apple desktops in marketshare.  "say it aint so!"
moooooooo

[AK_Rap1d]

Well, I love design, and I gotta say, the new G5 is very effective, and sexy  

The only thing that worries me, is dust, since dust can cause problems in your circuits.  Then again, I haven't been able to see if there's a special screen I'm not seeing, made just for that.  Knowing Mac, probably.  The silver look is very rewarding, and very well used by Mac.  Reminds me of the Mercedes or Lexus.  Hell, get a fast enough one, and you're almost paying like one!  All in all, excellent design work by Mac.

[*DAMN Mauti]

First great screenshots of the new G5 in real(not the render pics on Apple site) can be found at http://www.envestco2.com/g5/! - I don't like the white keyboard and does anyone know if Apple already brought back the start button on the keyboard? This is especially important for PowerMacs when they don't stand near the desktop..

The reason why I would like to have seen 2 optical bays is that the integrated drives are slow AND! I can't do CD - CD burning. I would have loved to put in a superfast 58 - 24 - 58 CD burner for cheap 130bucks.

Of course 500Gbyte is enough but with my current experience(2 complete HD losses in 3 years) I would like to have one save disk for my system and mp3s and a dynamical/superfast Raid for my games and video cutting...

However I love the integrated optical sound in/outputs. Finally you can plug your Minidisk or surround receiver without quality loses(well I don't own neither).

I'm also excited about the new Panther - I hope it finally feels as fast as my MacOS9.

Last but not least does the annoucment 3Ghz within 12months influence your decision to buy a G5 now!? Or do you think eventually there will always come out a faster one?

All in all the change from G3 400 - G5 Dual 2000 will be outstanding.  

Mauti