48 hours on the edge of a New World Order

[Mr. Lothario]

     <Ha-ha-only-serious>I think you're all missing the obvious course of action. We've got a couple of millionaires among our number, let's recruit more, head to Guatemala or another poor Central or South American country, buy up a few million acres or so, and set up our own country.   </Ha-ha-only-serious>

[jn.loudnotes]

Sounds just fine.  But if the Bush administration decided it didn't like us, it could bomb us to smithereens any day of the week.  

[tasty]

I've always had the dream of making a new country that would be a true democracy. We would buy a tiny island and recruit citizens with the guarantee that they would be willing to vote every single day. No representatives, just democracy in its purest form. Now I just need a few million dollars to get it started?

[Cossack]

Buy Molokai and call it Tastytown

[cookie]

So, I'm on vacation and i finally get online.. and this. Really, for god sakes, this is overdramatic. We are going into a third world sandpit and engaging in a "war" that happened 10 years ago as well... and the whole world is screaming about it. Please people, relax, do you think people were yelling bloody murder about their leader going to war after pearl harbor? Everybody just needs to read some books (not the newspapers, you all tend to get bad ideas from those things) go surfing, do something other than worry about something you shouldn't waste your breath over.

[*DAMN Bander]

@cookie: u are an idiot. go to burger king and eat shit. and forget about the rest of the world until it crashes a plane into your fat ass.

@buccanneer: i long stopped to read your postings. they remind me on the mindless blahblah of bush/blair/aznar/powell & co. they already have decided what they will do (in the name of god again. blah i could poke here!) and they will ignore any argument that could point out that they are wrong.
so fuck off or go to the holy-army and fight some iraqi women, dressed in green and running around with a AK-74 wich not even a noob would choose in RS. there is not much left from the U.S. than the ugly face of a BIG hairy gorilla. congratulations.

@cossak, bondo & loud notes:

REALLY - i mean this honestly! Why dont u guys take some weeks vacation and come over to austria for a month or so? you would get a taste of "foul old europe" and meet lotsa people who are disgusted by your current goverment and their followers - but u will find out these people will not HATE you personally, unlike what happens to french people (for excample) in america actually (refering to a french golf player who can only go on the cort being protected by two bodyguards due to fanatic threatenings).

so just message me, i give u my phone number and u can stay in my flat as long u want (and meet mauti and the other "old europeans"). if u guys get homesick i bring u to mac donalds.

Last words on Bush & company:

Fuck Bush! Fuck the Bushmen! The best would be to surround the U.S. with a new kind of "berlin wall" (only much BIGGER) and isolate it from the rest of this planet. then they can dig a tunnel to the brits and eats some BSE?ed cows (wich doesnt matter, cuz the mad cow desease affects the BRAIN) and fuck tonys butt.

I just hope "the old america" will survive this ill-spirited nationalism. I fear not. and i am sick of that american psycho attitude already. really.

Bah!

[*DAMN Bander]

Btw.: If interested. Here a nice sum-up of ALL american wars during their short phase of existing history:

1. 1775-1783 Revolutionskrieg gegen Gro?britannien
2. 1775-1776 Kanada
3. 1798-1800 Seekriek mit Frankreich (ohne Kriegserkl?rung)
4. 1801-1805 Tripolis, Erster Berberkrieg
5. 1806 Mexiko (Spanisches Gebiet)
6. 1806-1810 Golf von Mexiko
7. 1810 West-Florida (Spanisches Gebiet)
8. 1812 Besetzung der Insel Melia (Spanisches Gebiet)
9. 1812-1815 Gro?britannien (Kriegserkl?rung erfolgt)
10. 1812-1815 Kanada
11. 1813 West-Florida (Spanisches Gebiet)
12. 1813-1814 Marquesas-Inseln
13. 1814 Spanisch-Florida
14. 1814-1825 Kariben
15. 1815 Algier, Zweiter Berberkrieg
16. 1815 Tripolis
17. 1816 Spanisch-Florida, Erster Seminolenkrieg
18. 1817 Insel Amelia (Spanisches Gebiet)
19. 1818 Oregon
20. 1820-1823 Afrika (Bek?mpfung des Sklavenhandels)
21. 1822 Kuba
22. 1823 Kuba
23. 1824 Kuba
24. 1824 Puerto Rico (Spanisches Gebiet)
25. 1825 Kuba
26. 1827 Griechenland
27. 1831-1832 Falkland-Inseln
28. 1832 Sumatra
29. 1833 Argentinien
30. 1835-1936 Peru
31. 1836 Mexiko
32. 1838-1839 Sumatra
33. 1840 Fidschi-Inseln
34. 1841 Samoa
35. 1841 Drummond-Inseln, Kingsmillgruppe
36. 1842 Mexiko
37. 1843 Afrika
38. 1844 Mexiko
39. 1846-1848 Mexiko
40. 1849 Smyrna
41. 1851 T?rkei
42. 1851 Johanna-Insel (?stlich von Afrika)
43. 1852-1853 Argentinien
44. 1853 Nicaragua
45. 1853-1854 Riukio- und Bonin-Inseln (Japan)
46. 1854 China
47. 1854 Nicaragua
48. 1855 China
49. 1855 Fidschi-Inseln
50. 1855 Uruguay
51. 1856 Panama, Republik von Neu Granada
52. 1856 China
53. 1857 Nicaragua
54. 1858 Uruguay
55. 1858 Fidschi-Inseln
56. 1858-1859 T?rkei
57. 1859 Paraguay
58. 1859 Mexiko
59. 1859 China
60. 1860 Angola, Portugisisch-Westafrika
61. 1860 Kolumbien, Golf von Panama
62. 1863 Japan
63. 1864 Japan
64. 1864 Japan
65. 1865 Panama
66. 1866 Mexiko
67. 1866 China
68. 1867 Insel Formosa
69. 1868 Japan
70. 1868 Uruguay
71. 1868 Kolumbien
72. 1870 Mexiko
73. 1870 Hawaiische Inseln
74. 1871 Korea
75. 1973 Kolumbien
76. 1873 Mexiko
77. 1874 Hawaiische Inseln
78. 1876 Mexiko
79. 1882 ?gypten
80. 1885 Panama (Colon)
81. 1888 Korea
82. 1889-1889 Samoa
83. 1888 Haiti
84. 1889 Hawaiische Inseln
85. 1890 Argentinien
86. 1891 Haiti
87. 1891 Beringmeer
88. 1891 Chile
89. 1893 Hawaii
90. 1894 Brasilien
91. 1894 Nicaragua
92. 1894-1896 Korea
93. 1894-1895 China
94. 1894-1895 China
95. 1895 Kolumbien
96. 1896 Nicaragua
97. 1898-1899 China
98. 1898 Nicaragua
99. 1898 Amerikanisch-Spanischer Krieg
100. 1899 Samoa
101. 1899-1901 Philippinen
102. 1900 China
103. 1901 Kolumbien
104. 1902 Kolumbien
105. 1902 Kolumbien
106. 1903 Honduras
107. 1903 Dominikanische Republik
108. 1903 Syrien
109. 1903-1914 Panama
110. 1904 Dominikanische Republik
111. 1904-1905 Korea
112. 1904 Tanger, Marokko
113. 1904 Panama
114. 1904-1905 Korea
115. 1906-1909 Kuba
116. 1907 Honduras
117. 1910 Nicaragua
118. 1911 Honduras
119. 1911 China
120. 1912 Honduras

[*DAMN Bander]

121. 1912 Panama
122. 1912 Kuba
123. 1912 China
124. 1912 T?rkei
125. 1912-1925 Nicaragua
126. 1912-1941 China
127. 1913 Mexiko
128. 1914 Haiti
129. 1914 Dominikanische Republik
130. 1914-1917 Mexiko
131. 1915-1934 Haiti
132. 1917-1918 Erster Weltkrieg
133. 1917-1922 Kuba
134. 1918-1919 Mexiko
135. 1918-1920 Panama
136. 1918-1920 Sowjetru?land
137. 1919 Honduras
138. 1920-1922 Ru?land (Sibirien)
139. 1920 China
140. 1920 Guatemala
141. 1921 Panama-Costa Rica
142. 1922 T?rkei
143. 1924 Honduras
144. 1924 China
145. 1925 China
146. 1925 Honduras
147. 1925 Panama
148. 1926-1933 Nicaragua
149. 1926 China
150. 1927 China
151. 1933 Kuba
152. 1940 Neufundland, Bermuda, St. Lucia, Bahamas, Jamaika, Antigua, Trinidad, Britisch Guayana
153. 1941 Gr?nland [D?nisches Gebiet]
154. 1941 Niederlande (Niederl?ndisch-Guayana)
155. 1941 Island
156. 1941 Deutschland [Attacken auf deutsche Schiffe]
157. 1941 US-Eintritt in den Zweiten Weltkrieg
158. 1941-1945 Deutschland, Italien, Japan
159. 1942 Labrador
160. 1945-1960 China (CIA)
161. 1946-1947 Italien (CIA)
162. 1947-1955 Griechenland (CIA)
163. 1945-1955 Philippinen (CIA)
164. 1950-1953 Koreakrieg
165. 1949-1953 Albanien (CIA)
166. 1955 Deutschland (CIA)
167. 1953 Iran (CIA)
168. 1953-1954 Guatemale (CIA)
169. 1955 Costa Rica (CIA)
170. 1956-1957 Syrien (CIA)
171. 1957-1958 Der Mittlere Osten
172. 1957-1958 Indonesien (CIA)
173. 1955-1965 Westeuropa (CIA)
174. 1945-1965 Sowjetunion (CIA)
175. 1955-1975 Italien (CIA)
176. 1945-1975 30 Jahre Krieg in Vietnam (CIA)
177. 1955-1973 Kambodscha (CIA)
178. 1957-1973 Laos (CIA)
179. 1959-1963 Haiti
180. 1960 Guatemala
181. 1960-1963 Ekuador (CIA)
182. 1960-1964 Kongo (CIA)
183. 1961-1961 Brasilien (CIA)
184. 1960-1965 Peru (CIA)
185. 1960-1966 Dominikanische Republik (CIA)
186. 1950-1980 Kuba (CIA)
187. 1865 Indonesien (CIA)
188. 1966 Ghana (CIA)
189. 1964-1970 Uruguay (CIA)
190. 1964-1973 Chile (CIA)
191. 1964-1974 Griechenland (CIA)
192. 1964-1875 Bolivien (CIA)
193. 1962-1985 Guatemala (CIA)
194. 1970-1971 Costa Rica (CIA)
195. 1972-1975 Irak (CIA)
196. 1973-1975 Australien (CIA)
197. 1975 Indonesien [CIA]
198. 1975-1985 Angola (CIA)
199. 1975-1978 Zaire (CIA)
200. 1976-1980 Jamaika (Wirtschaftskrieg)
201. 1979-1981 Seychellen
202. 1979-1984 Grenada
203. 1983 Marokko (CIA)
204. 1982-1984 Surinam (CIA)
205. 1981-1989 Lybien
206. 1981-1990 Nicaragua [Anstiftung zum B?rgerkrieg]
207. 1969-1991 Panama (CIA)
208. 1990 Bulgarien [CIA]
209. 1990-1991 Irak, Zweiter Golfkrieg
210. 1979-1992 Afghanistan (CIA)
211. 1980-1994 El Salvador [CIA]
212. 1986-1994 Haiti (CIA)
213. 1992-1994 Somalia
214. 2001-? Afghanistan.
215. 2003 Irak?

Lets be friends. (muahaha).

[Overthrow.aHa!]

Intresting.... I happen to be in Austria right now about an hours drive outside of Vienna staying with friends
weeeeewt and i just had a 3 hour long discussion about politics
only going to be here till friday though  

[EUR_Zaitsev]

If we waited a week to attack then the Biological suits our soldiers wear would become too hot after a little over a month and they would faint. In showing off the suits 1 fainted from the television lights. I hate how many pro-war activists cry is "Support our troops" somebody needs to design a tee-shirt that says "We support our troops just not thier commander" or something to that effect. Do I want american civilians or military personel to die? No but does that mean I have to agree to this war? I think not. At any rate there are going to be many many protests within the next week so I will be busy. Anybody have t-shirt ideas??


Arbor Day: Plant Trees, Remove Bushs

[kami]

So, I'm on vacation and i finally get online.. and this. Really, for god sakes, this is overdramatic. We are going into a third world sandpit and engaging in a "war" that happened 10 years ago as well... and the whole world is screaming about it. Please people, relax, do you think people were yelling bloody murder about their leader going to war after pearl harbor? Everybody just needs to read some books (not the newspapers, you all tend to get bad ideas from those things) go surfing, do something other than worry about something you shouldn't waste your breath over.

Hmm, that's what I told my mom when she came screaming into my room this morning about war.

[*NADS Capt. Anarchy]

Bander, I beg to differ. Cookie's ass is most definitely *not* fat and is really quite nice. And since we can't do a whole lot about preventing the war now anyways, I think reading a book is an excellent suggestion. I'm halfway through Dune as I write this.

And bucc, that's out of how many Veitnam vets you know? All that I know (Two grandpas, their buddies, teacher, etc.. abotu 8 or so) refer to it as a War, because plain and simple, that's what it was.

[EUR_Zaitsev]

Is war Justified? I say no. For 12 years Iraw has been un-touched and because of this Bush thinks "Now we must do something". But I ask WHY now? Those twelve years Saddam has not threatened us in anyway. I pre-emptive strike in Iraq before our government gives us a concise outline of the proof is unjustified. We are mad at Iraq because they are not following what the UN says. The UN says however no war, and so now we are the ones not following what the UN is saying. There was a great Oprah, yea Oprah on today. If anyone watched that then you are all the more smarter. It goes into why countries around the world hate us and thier reasons are legitamate. Are they worth blowing uup buildings with planes, in my mind NO. However in some minds yes. You see the United States has no empathy. We dont understand how people hate us when we embarass them. We dont understand that people think we are just for profit. If we take over Iraq and set up a government and the world accepts it and is a better place then all be it, with a limited number of Civilian casualties I have been wrong this whole time. However if the world sees this as just revenge for 9-11 then this is a death warrent not only for innocent Iraqis but also innocent americans in the future. But if this quest is really to better the world and its not revenge or not economically favorable to the oil industries then I ask why Iraq. We know North Korea is a bigger threat to us. We know that genocide occurs in Africa, we know of other hot spots but why dont we help them, or take care of that problem. Is it because we havent gotten to them yet or is it because they havent favorable natural resources andwe dont need them to make a military base.

[Cossack]

Now Bander some of those are not exactly true. For instance you listed WWII three times. Also I would like to list some of the english name of the countries you mentioned. Many Americans probablly wouldnt know what they are. The first group is our/their war of independence. We never conducted a war against the independent nation of Canada, we went into Canada when it was a British colony. Many of those actions in the Carribean (Kariben) were against English pirates and robbers whom prayed on American ships. The War of 1812 was when it flared up to a climax. It is true we had a few wars against the Barbary Pirates and their sultans. It was mostly a naval war. We had military action in Africa? Collecting slaves? Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809) Outlawed the importation of African Slaves, he also did not conduct military action against France. It is true he purchased land from France, but a bullet was not fired at Napoleon's Armies. Many of those listed with Spain are not military conflicts, but purchases from them. We purchases Florida, we Purchased Texas, we Purchased Alaska. We also split Oregon in two between Britain and the US. Spain and Russia withdrew their claims, relizing that both of their colonialtzation efforts were exauhsted. Japan is true to an extent. Admiral Byrd did bombard the Jappanese coastline, but that did not happen for three years. His "bombardment" was to make Japan open to trade negotiations. We also took part in the Opium War and putting down the Boxer Rebellion in China, but those were not three wars in a row.
Now to the 20th century. We had a military conflict with Columbia (Kolumbia) aiding Panama in its independence (so we could build the canal). Yet we did not have three consectutive wars in a row with them. It was 1 war.

[Cossack]

It is completley true what you said about Russia, except it was much wider than that. Americans along with French, Brits, and Canadians, invaded Northern Russia, the Crimean, and Caucuses also. Just not Siberia. They were in there to supress the Bolshoviks. So just for your information and a chance to edumacate  Americans, yes infact you have invaded Russia. I am told otherwise very often.
In China we did ain Sun Yat Sen and Chiang Kai Shek against the Jappenses and the Maoists. Your list also mentions the war of entering into WWII, the War against the German U-boats before December of 41, and WWII against the Axis. This lists WWII three times! I can assure you that it only happened once. Many of the others are pretty much true, but the list is made to make America look worse in wars and military actions than it really is. It also dosent even mention Kosovo, Bosnia, or for that matter WWI.

[Cossack]

So, I'm on vacation and i finally get online.. and this. Really, for god sakes, this is overdramatic. We are going into a third world sandpit and engaging in a "war" that happened 10 years ago as well... and the whole world is screaming about it. Please people, relax, do you think people were yelling bloody murder about their leader going to war after pearl harbor? Everybody just needs to read some books (not the newspapers, you all tend to get bad ideas from those things) go surfing, do something other than worry about something you shouldn't waste your breath over.

Cookie, I am pretty sure you are smarter than that. The world has every right to scream about it. Here America is going to war relitivley unprovoked against a nation that has not conducted any military action since Kuwait in a Global Economy. France, Russia, Germany, China, Turkey, and Chile have every right in the world to scream and bitch!
This is much different than WWII. In WWII we were physicaly attacked! We were bombed, we are not being bombed here, we are the one throwing the first stone. Pfff typical Houstonian!

[cookie]

@cookie: u are an idiot. go to burger king and eat shit. and forget about the rest of the world until it crashes a plane into your fat ass.


I just hope "the old america" will survive this ill-spirited nationalism. I fear not. and i am sick of that american psycho attitude already. really.

Bander- You dont deserve to be posting here, and I don't even say that of any other notorious offenders. I don't even know you, you don't know me, but you tell me to go to "burger king" just because I think people should chill out. Fuck you, it could do the world some good to sit down and think about life or read a good novel. But you, like so many others, choose the path of ignorance and stereotyping and for that I have no mercy or sympathy for your pathetic circumstance.

As for the rest of your post, I find it nothing but appalling... in the future, try not to set a bad example for your european counterparts and shut the hell up. I love germany, I love being in europe... but not radical flaming assholes like you.

To everyone else, I apologize for the offensive nature of this post. I'm just pissed off. I think the rest of you are great.. even rapid!

[*DAMN Bander]

@Cookie: Okay you ass is not fat and you dont need to go to burger king if u dont want to. I am reading a book too actually "The ugly american". AND i am also watching the news. Might be i cant change anything - but i can make and speak out my own mind. Sorry that i have been offending but i was pissed too when i posted. especially when i just listened to another dumb bush speech on tv.

@Cossak: Dude, i just posted that list. Its just a sumup of all wars fought by american soldiers since the independence. Its NOT a list of "bad" or "good" wars its just a sum up of all involvements since the beginning.

I took this from a german site so i have to translate it. but those wars u refering to (slavery) where "justified" wars for excemple - NOT to bring in slaves but to PREVENT slave-tradings there. I did not want to say all these wars where unjustified. But its still a huge number for my taste.

I will translate that list later.

[jn.loudnotes]

I think the idea behind the list is that the United States has had military involvement somewhere throughout its history.  That could explain the attitude Bander has toward you for your arguments cookie, and to all Burger King consumers because of their symbolism of the United States and its actions.

[cookie]

Coss- in WWII, we were attacked... we struck out. WTC- we were attacked, we're striking out. Sure, there are a few dissimilar elements but all in all it's comparable. Simply put, my point is that this isn't the humongous deal everyone thinks it is.. Clinton was warmongering back during his term in Kosovo and such and no one really gave a damn. All this fuss is just because it's the United States doing this and alot of people are pissed off at us, if a relatively small, uncontroversial nation like mali decided they were going to take out saddam because they felt threatened the world would be like ok, whatever, do your thing. There are wars going on all around the world, ethnic wars that have been killing hundreds of thousands... but has the UN ever put its foot down in those places? No.. it's the politics of today.. they make me sick. graghh

Bander- read jihad and mcworld. it's a better book, most likely. and sure, in ways i understand that you were angry but when i get angry i dont spew hateful, stereotypical statements.

loudnotes- almost every major country, even many minor ones, has some sort of military involvement going on somewhere, at all times. And Burger King isn't symbolic of the US... it's only such to a few radical minorities.