The return of the Draft

[*DAMN Hazard]

I was wondering how you all felt about the return of the draft if it does happen. Do you think that people will just accept it and go fight or plead that their rights are being violated by being forced to go to war.

[Jeb]

Haz, i'm not sure but i didn't think you where 18 yet so you proby don't have to much to worry about. I however am 18 and if i got drafted i would go. I like my country, i like having freedoms, and i like not being nuked by terrorists.  My grandfather was a captin in the US army WW2 and faught in France and Germany, he had quite a few confirmed kills, My dad was a Radio op in Veitnam. The army has helped my family a great deal, my grandfather who never graduated highschool had a good life and a career in the army. My dad came back from Vietnam, the GI bill paid for his College and Law school. Sure i would be scared shitless to be on a real battlefield (no drunken PDW dancing) but yes, i'd go. I'd guess that alot of you wouldn't go, and thats pretty ironic considering the games we play.

[KoS PY.nq.ict]

There's a difference between war games and real war. In real war you die. And I'm pretty sure most people don't want to die...at least not now when we're all so young. What's the point? Yes we'd be defending our freedom. But what is freedom? Are we truly free?

[Supernatural Pie]

Supposing there is a draft, who would the government target first? 18-25 year old males? What about college/high school students?

[Agent Wallabie]

  I don't really know and I don't really care. I'm not cool with the draft and all, but I know im pretty safe from it.

[Mr. Lothario]

     It's kind of shortsighted, not to say ironic, to talk of "defending our freedoms" by going to war. Our freedoms are no longer in need of defense. They are in need of restoration. They have been forfeit almost since the 9/11 attack, and they have been taken away to (shameful, shameful!) the wholehearted cheers of the populace, interested only in "security."

     What's more, even if our freedoms HADN'T already been taken away by our own government (not through the actions of any malicious foreign power, that is), this laughable excuse for slaughter that the Bush administration has orchestrated would hardly "defend" them. This killing spree and the justifications for it are wholly imaginary, fabricated out of whole cloth by the gangrenously corrupt "leaders" of America. The American people are allowing their soldiers to be sent off to kill and die solely for greater oil profits for the administration's friends and family. This is aristocracy at its worst, where the high and mighty send the common folk off to die so that the rich can become richer at no cost to themselves.

[tasty]

Personally I'd do whatever I had to do to avoid the draft? since now they have apparently extended it to college students first, if we had a war in a year I think that I would be in the very top age group to go. I would go to Canada, Sweden, or whatever other country would give safe asylum to an American draft dodger? I like America, but short of a full-scale attack on us by another country, I don't think we have any reason to go to war. And even if that was the case, when it comes to those sorts of things I have to be honest? I value my own life more than anything else. So call me a coward if you will, but I'm anti-violence and I'm not interested in putting my own life at risk so I can follow someone else's orders to take away someone elses, someone else most likely would be just as innocent and powerless as myself in the whole situation. Helping America fight unjust wars designed to boost our economy and "The AmericanWayoflife" is not what I call serving my country? more like serving other people's interests.

[kos.viper]

Agent, they draft people who are 18.

And this moron that brought up the "Well if we go to war w/ iraq we should get a draft!" is just using it as an excuse for not going to prevent going to war with iraq.

[Mr. Lothario]

     I'm pretty sure that "they" can draft whomever they choose. Historically, it's been 18 year-olds, but there's nothing guaranteeing that it would be 18 year-olds this time.

[*DAMN Silent Killer(home)]

Aculy guys there is a selected services and within like 2 years after you turn 18, you have to sign up, and if there ever a need for a draft, they alrdy got your names and stuff
 
and if you dont sign up its a federal offence so...

[(SiX)Ben]

Two words sum this topic up for me: "I'd go."

If you guys aren't willing defend your country then fuck you, you don't deserve to live in it. (no offense intended although I know some will be taken) Death is a price we paid for this country in the past, and if needed to save our mothers, children, or senior citizens, I'd pay it (although I'd rather live through war)

Ben

[Cossack]

Well as some of you know, I am going to the Russian Army when I get out of college. I think the draft is bad, but when you are called, you should go. What gives you the right to be fucking around in Canada or wherever while your peers are dieing. The reason I am not in the Russian army is because I am tring to get a degree so I enter in as an officer.

[Mr. Lothario]

     You're missing the point, Ben. There's a world of difference between "defending your country" and "committing murder so that a few can get richer."

[(SiX)Ben]

I know the difference Loth. But as soon as we go to war and the first troops are deployed you ARE defending your country. The first attack will be for the rich, they will counterattack. Then its defense. See the difference?

Ben

[Mr. Lothario]

     Eh... once again, you're missing the point. Being on the defensive due to a counterattack to an unprovoked attack is hardly the same thing as defending your country against foreign aggressors. In the former case, it's our own damn fault. Bush and his cronies decided that they wanted to fabricate a war, and they are doing so. There's no reason for the public to buy into it, though, and certainly no reason to think that attacking a foreign country on their soil leads somehow to a noble defense of America.

[Ace]

Loth, we could have a very long debate about the motivation for this possible war, but I believe that belongs somewhere. I personally feel that it would be a worthwhile cause assuming that Saddam is found to be guilty of what he has been accused of: genocide, supporting terrorism, and making nuclear/biological/chemical weapons. If you wish to talk about that at greater lengths, you know where to find me or you can make another thread.

As for the issue of the draft, you can be damn sure I would go if I were drafted. I might even volunteer if a draft is instituted. My grandfather fought in WW2 and my uncle fought in Vietnam. I would follow their example of fighting for our country. Py brings up the point of not wanting to die young. By no means would I want to die over there, but I feel that serving our country is worth taking the associated risks.

BTW, if you guys want info on the draft, check out the Selective Service homepage and this page in particular.

[Flame]

If you guys aren't willing defend your country then fuck you, you don't deserve to live in it. (no offense intended although I know some will be taken) Death is a price we paid for this country in the past, and if needed to save our mothers, children, or senior citizens, I'd pay it (although I'd rather live through war)

Think about it from the other side. Those people are ALSO fighting for their country. Also hundreds of people DON'T fight in war. Are you saying that they don't deserve to live in it?
Also they are FORCING people to fight. It's not like they have a choice to fight or not.

I know the difference Loth. But as soon as we go to war and the first troops are deployed you ARE defending your country. The first attack will be for the rich, they will counterattack. Then its defense. See the difference?

The first attack. That would mean that the other people are defending.
Personally, I don't really care, lotta more years till I can get drafted?

[Agent Wallabie]

  I really don't want to go to a war, for enny reason or enny country. I think enny one who want's to go becouse they want to be a hero or becouse they think it'll be fun, is dead in my mind. I just had a friend who signed up, he think's it's going to be like a game or something, like SOCOM or RS, GhR. He really want's to be like one of the carecter's in "Band of Brother's" I think hes a idiot, and a moron.
   I really don't know what I'm trying to say. My mom lost a brother In Vietnam, he was drafted becouse of what date his birthday was on.
   You would think that enough ppl would of signed up that they dont need to draft, after all the BS that Bush and the rest been saying.

   Wallie~

[kami]

Firstly, I think they should really wait until the UN inspectors are ready to determine whether a war is necessary or not. I mean if they don't find any traces or evidence at all showing that they would have any weapons of mass destruction, why invade? For the security of the US? Iraq is in the middle east, they most certainly do not have ICBM's, the US is on the other side of the world. How could they be worried about them being attacked? Drafting for a war where the US is the clear aggressor like this, that's just silly.
Anyway, I'm going to join the Swedish army when I get out of gymnasium here, I'd gladly fight for my country but I don't think I'll be doing any real combat since I live in a peaceful country without any enemies at all, I'm really just doing it for the experience.

[Jackal.aHa!]

Hazard, great thread

Now...
I feel the draft is important and needed, I just like Jeb would die fight (and yes) die for my country.  I love the old USA and its quarks, but i agree with Py...how much freedom do we really have?  We live in a surrounding were we can supposidly have "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happyness" o wait now a days its "the pursuit of undeserved money."

The country has lost its soul meaning of why it was created, we fought against the influence of Great Britian and its oppression.  Now with leaders like George Bush, we do the very things we fought against.  There is no proof that Iraq has weapons of mass distruction.  For those who dont know you might find it interesting that in the 1980's when Iraq was fighting Iran, we gave and sold Iraq tons of weapons of mass distruction.  So Hussen was considered a hero for saving OUR OIL!

Now he is a monster, this is typical American ways and it disgusts me.  But anyways....

To all those who are 18 as i will be in Sept, if you get drafted I wish you luck and hope you make it home.
Also remember my buddy AIRBORNE on GR who is probably going to fight in Irag.

Im not against my country, Im against the war.  To see our boys die for the happyness of one man, is pure and utter bull shit.

Thank You