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The cannons of the armies of Louis XIV were inscribed with the phrase "Ultima ratio regum"--"the last argument of kings." Force of arms should be the final resort, only to be used when absolutely every other alternative has been exhausted. (On a side note, I think that war is a tremendously childish exercise at best, and should never be considered, but apparently I'm an abberation.) In this case, however, war is the first argument of the Presidency. Bush has fabricated a war and convinced the American people that it is justified. IF a foreign power had invaded America, there would be appropriate justification for a war of defense. But a money-grubbing war of aggression is hardly worth supporting, let alone fighting in. Ben, your appeals to emotion and loyalty are admirable, but wholly misguided in the present case. This is a war that a few men started so that they could become richer. To use Dubya's trademarked appeals to emotion, this war is a thing of evil, and it needs to be stopped.
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Loud, odd, thats my arguement. Looking at war with emotions I see all the death and destruction, does that not appeal to emotions? Thus, I see war as wrong as well.
Loth, Nay. My intent is guided in any case. I can't believe you two even find hope in stopping the war. There is none, I know that, you two best accept it. Bush is going in there with his men. Period. Exclamation mark. So, as misguided as it is, it's both logical and honest. It's happening now. I face the facts, and the facts are that I have no hope of stopping the war, thus I'll help fight it. I'll save my friends. That's all that matters to me anymore.
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Maybe a better focused effort would be to convince your friends to NOT join the army and fight in the war? that way you could all be safe. As Loth said, this isn't YOUR war, it's somebody else's war. I agree with one of my all-time least favorite people on this one, Ayn Rand: "The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give it." And although she does use the word evil, which I agree with Loth is pretty much an outrageous word to use in any circumstance due to its ambiguous and subjective meaning, I think that the point she makes is very valid. By supporting a war, regardless of your reasons, you are making that war possible. By fighting in the war, the soldiers are making possible both their death and the deaths of others. If everyone chose not to fight, the war would not exist? so why not be part of the solution and not part of the problem.
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Heh. That reminds me of the Hippie-era (I think) phrase, "What if they threw a war and nobody came?"
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Tasty. Impossible. Nough said.
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