WTF IS WRONG WITH U !

[NiXon / ViRuS]

Well put Ulti hey guys dont leave the BL just beacaue of this problem Ulti pointed out they have worked hard here to make it a great BL and it is just we got a Monkey   wrench thown into it at the moment but we will fix it you never know what will happend maybe Kos will come back.   I like the statement about Bondo and Rapid sailing in the Wind together LMAO a lot of truth behind it

[Colin]

Hey rap, what's so pathetic about my attitude?    Just Wondering  

P.S.:  Yes, i am a virgin (only 14)    but i'll have u know i don't have one pimple on my neck!  

[+-KoS-+ Gorf]

Brain, STFU and stop acting like Gorf and Colin(2 of the Biggest Idiots I've ever heard). ?

You want to be known as one of them with their pathetic attitudes? ?I hope not bubba...

rapid the thing you don't understand here is that everybody hates you. ?everyone here wishes you would just go away and stop bothering the Rogue Spear community. ?How many people hate me? You, Bondo, and a few AK's(such as typhy). ?How many people hate you? ?too many to count. look at all the rapid bashing that TONS of people are doing. ?don't u understand or want to know why? everybody hates you? ?it's because your an asshole. ?You threaten anyone who gets in your way and then you spam and flame about them. ?you do this with MANY MANY people rapid. ?I don't. i only do it with one, you:D
i mean, sure bondo and i may disagree now and then, but he doesn't hate me with a passion. ?You seem to think rapid, that you have everyone on your side against me? ?lol not quite, all you have to do is watch yourself get shot down over and over buy new people each day

ps - colin everyone loves the "best of rapid" episodes. ?That poor 12-year-old rapid was shot down yet again... sigh..... guess she still doesn't get it ?8)

[cookie]

bastard hierarchy.

really, my utmost respect extended to the league creators... ?but this leadership is really screwy. I think the sense of impartiality has diminished from Battle League and alot of the decisions behind unclear CB's in the past have been arbitrarily and hastily dealt with. ?When conflicts like the one at hand arise, I don't think it should be up to one persons judgement to determine the outcome. Credibility is fast running out in the *DAMN battle league. I'm not trying to bitch, as i do respect what *DAMN is trying to do for the RS/R6 community, but i think if you're going to run a league, you should run it right. I myself haven't experienced deficiencies in the system, but i think that gamers are being ill represented. I have nothing against Bondo, but i believe that because he is not an active RS player (that i've seen) it's not really fair to let him decide what happens based on his own judgement. It would be kind of like letting me decide R6 clanbattles. Although i am an avid RS player, i've got no idea what goes on in R6 world. I'm not in "the loop". Thus, i say more power to the people and may the system be reformed!!

</cheesy intellectual speech>

[Bondo]

For the record I have NEVER done any ACTION on my own. ?I have made suggestions (that some see as decisions) but I've never acted (such as Nixon booting AK or Sin booting MI6). ?I have never been accused of being biased. ?No one should be so dull as to believe Grifter's exagerations. ?And about not talking to the other admins, everytime I've been accused of that, the others have been mysteriously quiet in the forums where I hope to talk with them. ?I've tried sending e-mail and PMs to mixed results. ?When we had the CF vs. AK CB problem, me and Sin had a solution worked out before Nixon bungled it up by being the cowboy. ?In this case, all I did was collect information (because I was the one present) and gave it to Sin and Mauti. ?I didn't say this is how it will be, I just gave my interpretation of what happened. ?Basically I did nothing wrong (Grifter, I'm not banned from hearing people's complaints and sending them on, and the fact that I sent it on to two other admins means I wasn't going about it on my own) yet Grifter decided he would make a big deal out of nothing. ?And Grifter, it is hypocritical of you to call me a hypocritical asshole when you are a hypocritical asshole, claiming to be open-minded but not really being open-minded. ?I have shown to you why my actions are proper but you, despite not being able to point out a rule that I broke or anything else specific, you still claim that I've done wrong.

Nixon, before you had me off your buddy list and were accepting buddies only so I had to talk through Sin, this time I don't know why but I sent a message to an non-idling, non-playing you and you didn't reply to it.

[jn.blackhand]

I just spent a couple of minutes reading through this thread and going over older ones dealing with related matters. Frankly, I can only draw one major conclusion from all of this crap and it is simply that Bondo should not be a Battle League admin. I'd list reasons, but others have already listed them.

Why this whole KoS fiasco is even an issue is completely beyond me. Why they simply couldn't finish the CB tommorow  is also beyond me. And only God knows why Bondo didn't simply tell them to finish the CB the next day.

Bondo, step down as an admin.

Mauti, force Bondo to step down. It's apparent that Bondo is doing the same thing Romulus did when he was an admin; make DAMN, it's members, and the DAMN community look bad.

[Bondo]

The only reason I may be making DAMN look bad is because Grifter is constantly spewing rubbish. ?I may be more vocal than the other admins but I haven't done anything in a cowboy fashion like they say, I've made no individual decisions on action. ?I've done less to be yelled at then either Nixon or Sin (the AK and MI6 bannings). ?I'm sorry Grifter and Ult don't like me speaking in the forums but I haven't done anything that I wasn't supposed to do, although I have been wrong on some of my suggestions and accepted whatever was decided on. ?And about communicating with the other admins, well I haven't once been contacted on a BL matter that they are concerned with. ?Very hard to work together when they don't include you isn't it. ?I have never been included in their admin group which makes it harder for me to work with them but I have tried. ?Sorry, but maybe Grifter should not be hypocritical and should question the other admins with as much fury as he has me.

[PsYcO aSsAsSiN]

The reason that I am not vocal is because when i speak(type) I want people to know it means something...this whole matter has gotten way out of hand and I will post more on it later if I see fit.

[Grifter]

Bondo, I've not been hypocritical at all... I'm not the one sitting here telling lies to all these good people... look at your fucking posts you idiot.

You didn't talk to Nixon... you did talk to Nixon... you didn't talk to Nixon....   You are trying to work with him... you'll not even speak to him...  which one is it?  One thing is for sure.. there's a lie in there somewhere.

And like Ult and I posted.. where was that apology you claimed to have made??

Like I said, you tried to rush through this...  OK, STFU told you about a problem... that's where you should have either told them to post it in the problem drop box, or contact Nixon and Sin (not Sin and Mauti, for all the reasons I've already given) or both.  You aren't supposed to be messing in these area's... so you shouldn't have questioned Ult at all..  You should have kept your arrogant ass out of it at that point.  

As for you working with your fellow Admins, I find that hard to believe... they've complained about it... and I know you never tried to work with us on the Gossip side of it.

And for the record... you have ATTEMPTED to make decisions on your own... even argued that you had the right to do it... you just got overruled by your peers that you should have talked to in the first place.  Do I need to dig up the old posts to remind you?  Everyone else sure thought it sounded like a decision... you stated it pretty clearly (we have agreed...).

And you are taking lessons at dodging the facts I see... you are a hypocrite for saying that Ult should talk like that, while you are the asshole that said "I'll not stand for Nixon being a BL admin..." along those lines...  

As for me spewing rubbish and such... I'll pull your old posts and show you Bondo... hell, all anyone has to do is to read this thread to see how full of shit you really are.  Look at this, you keep changing your story, a liar caught in the middle of his web of lies... they are all coming apart.

And yeah, everyone here posting about your attidude is just dull and dim wittedly following me, eh?  Yeah, that's right, keep believing that you can't be wrong, that everyone else must be.  You pompus ass.

[Ace]

And I have not been accused of being impartial.

Won't hear any arguments from me on that one.


I won't go on and rehash all this other bullshit, but I would like to point this out. Look at some of the people who have called you out on this Bondo: GRIFT, Ult, Sin, blackhand, myself. We aren't exactly newbies who have just popped up. We have all been here for a long time and have seen the BL go from virtually nothing to something that at times has been very successful. We have also seen how the BL has had its share of problems in the past. Suggestions are made with the best for the BL in mind.

[Cow]

um isnt the ladder gonna be reset anyways so does the CB even really count?
-Cow

[Brain]

rapid the thing you don't understand here is that everybody hates you. ?

ok, let me make this crystal clear for you gorf, and you to rapid
i do not hate rapid
i hate his attitude
i hate the way his ego has him spew out baseless shit at anyone who pokes fun at him, or his behavior
i do not hate rapid
i am able to distinguish between the actions, the person, and the attitude
if rapid shuts down the attitude, i shut off the assing, that simple(look at rapid's e3 thread for an example, no attitude, no assing)
and gorf... you are getting very close to crossing that attitude line with me to. tread lightly because, right now you dont have the clue
on another note to rapid,if i see a cheap shot on the forums  i'm gonna take it, i don't care who it is against

[cookie]

eek, grudgematch.

i personally don't think Bondo should resign or be forced seeing as he's not done anything serious to warrant it, everyone makes mistakes. My point is that some admins need to learn about teamwork and taking other factors into consideration... I don't want to see anyone resign. Opinions are playing too large a role in decisions around here. While some of you may have beef with Bondo, I highly doubt it's any beef relevant to the subject of his admin capabilites. So put your personal opinions torward Bondo aside and think torwards the good of the general population, I'm sure there's a better way to solve this.

try and be nice.

[Grifter]

Actually Cookie, you got it backwards... about 95% of my problems with Bondo are in the way he handles his Admin duties...  

The reason I think he should step away from the BL is his refusal to work with Nixon.  He hasn't been a team player in the past, and he's said he wont work with him.  That's not him accepting the judgements of the BL, that's him ignoring it.

[Bondo]

Ace, way to modify my post to make me say something I didn't, this isn't the time or the place for that.  Please leave it alone this time.

Grift, I never claimed to have contacted Nixon originally on this as I'm not (due to me thinking he should be out for his violation) supposed to work with him but since you wanted me to I tried to contact him.  I sent it to Mauti and Sin because they were the two I could work with.  But of course you wouldn't see how simple and right this is, you'd rather just accuse me of not working with Nixon because I'm not for teamwork.  Once again I state, when have I made a decision (a real decision that counts not a suggestion) without other admins imput.  Sorry, but your claim that I don't work with them is wrong.  I don't work with them to come up with my suggestion, but I do for a decision, just like I had been doing with Sin on Typhy's punishment.

Grift, not all apologies say "Sorry".  That is just a misconception, I did say that I was wrong due to Ult not giving me all the information originally and that my original suggestion didn't work, but you can't accuse me of rushing that as both sides didn't have anything more to say at that time, it isn't my fault Ult didn't remember to add what he did the following day.

Grifter, the fact that I've rebuffed your points yet you still say the same ones shows that you are full of shit.  And about never working with you and Ace in the GG forum, there is nothing to work with you on.  Moderating isn't something you work together on.  If it breaks the rules (Spam, porn, etc.) then it gets deleted, no conference necessary.

[Ace]

Listen up fuckface, and listen well. I did not change your post in any way. Any accusation otherwise is an outright lie, and you can shove it up your ass.

As for not working with GRIFT, wrath (yes he is a mod too if you didn't notice), and I, no you didn't. It's one thing to delete spam or whatnot; I never consult other mods over bullshit like that. You straight up banned each and every member of a certain clan from posting WITHOUT talking to any of us. That's bullshit any way you wish to spin it.

PS - MONTANA FUCKING OWNED ELWAY.

[Grifter]

Ace, way to modify my post to make me say something I didn't, this isn't the time or the place for that.

Actually, dipshit, you posted it exactly that way.  I saw it myself right after you posted it and was going to comment on it but then forgot to when I was responding...  Yes, you can fuck up and make mistakes, we don't have to help you.

Grift, I never claimed to have contacted Nixon originally on this as I'm not (due to me thinking he should be out for his violation) supposed to work with him but since you wanted me to I tried to contact him. ?I sent it to Mauti and Sin because they were the two I could work with. ?But of course you wouldn't see how simple and right this is, you'd rather just accuse me of not working with Nixon because I'm not for teamwork. ?

I don't see how simple or right it is because it was WRONG you half-wit.  I've said it a dozen times now... either you got involved where you shouldn't have (since you are supposed to be dealing with the RULES not the CB's) or you didn't work with your fellows at the time (Sin and NIxon) or both...  It's that simple to me.  You can work with Nixon, you chose not to.  Big fucking difference.

Sorry, but your claim that I don't work with them is wrong. ?I don't work with them to come up with my suggestion, but I do for a decision, just like I had been doing with Sin on Typhy's punishment.

Yeah, need I pull up where you changed the decision on AK's punishment and said you were justified since you suggested the first one...?  Even though you and Sin had already agreed to a course of action?  You see Bondo, you aren't really working with others if you latter change it.

Grift, not all apologies say "Sorry". ?That is just a misconception, I did say that I was wrong due to Ult not giving me all the information originally and that my original suggestion didn't work

You are right, not all apologies have to use the word "sorry"... but that is the meaning.  Blaming Ultimo for not giving you the information is not even close to an apology you nimrod.  Who do you think you are talking to?  Some kid that you can play word games with?  You saying you apologized is just another of your lies Bondo, plain and simple.  If you think my saying "I was wrong about Bondo being all that bad, but all the bullshit and lies he told had me confused and he should have been more honest from the start" is an apology, then you need to pull out your dictionary again.

Grifter, the fact that I've rebuffed your points yet you still say the same ones shows that you are full of shit.

Bondo, you havn't rebuffed any points.. just spouting that you are right.  Go ahead and take my old points and give them a whirl...  

Are you supposed to stay out of the CB's or not?

If you are, why did you continue to investigate this issue instead of handing it over to the BL problem box or directly to Sin and Nixon?

If you can deal in CB's, then why didn't you just consult with Sin and Nixon?  Like I said, Mauti has always been brought in when the Admins couldn't agree... why do you chose to bring him in from the begining??  Is that showing respect to Sin and Nixon?

How can the person that said "I'll not stand for Nixon being an Admin" accuse Ult of not talking like a proper admin and not be a hypocrite?

Why is it that when you have 4 and 5 respected peers telling you something, you don't even listen?  Going back to when you DID NOT work as a team with us... you kept deleting stuff and locking threads where the other 3 of us wouldn't... whenever we tried to tell you that, you'd get pissy and tell us "pardon me for trying to do my fucking job"... yeah, that's working with us.  And when we wondered if things crossed the line, we'd wait to hear another's opinion before doing something about it... instead of just doing it.

You are just a pathetic little child who wants his power and must prove to everyone how good he is.  Oh, praise me, for I am Bondo, savior of the Battle League, creator of it, you all owe me.... fall to your knees and worship the Bondo.  Shit, your pathetic little ego couldn't even take it when Ult and Sin got a compliment for their LONG history of doing well, and you weren't included.  Poor little Bondo, who didn't get enough attention as a child.

[*DAMN Mauti]

Grift I think it is enough Bondo same counts for you. Trying to defend yourself make everything worse.

However Grift, Ult, Rebel and all others I think you have lost orientation in this issue. You only shout at each other and don't listen. You bitch about Bondo like you did about Romulus.

The most guys here critizise that KoS was given the loss and it is *DAMNs fault. Well guys I have posted it once before In this issue nothing was decided nor posted You just bitch around like hungry dogs that can't await to hunt a wounded deer.

Well Bondo isn't perfect but he never did something total wrong. I know he tries to organize many things by his own yes sometimes he is very egoistic is that a reason to bitch around- ?you ?could tell him that in another way and at all it has ABSOLUT nothing to do with KOS. In his postings here he posted a lot of trash but he only tried to defend hisself but in real he made everything worse. He posted Bullshit but ?I know he didn't mean it that way. It was like in a bad movie. You all know the scene when a police officer interrogates if you say one thing wrong he will ask more and more about this and you answer more and more wrong things and all because you said something accidently wrong at the beginning.

Ult wrote that he has enough of Bondo's BS. Well there wasn't much - Ult never tried to talk with Bondo about his behaviour. I'll tell you something when I made zak to an admin Ultimo wrote me that he won't be an admin anymore if zak gets the job. Now tell me was Ult better than Bondo, I finally persuaded him to give zak a chance.

Bondo only has to change the way he make suggestions and yeah he should work more with the team as a team and he will I'll promise ya but I ask you was this thread at all necessary??? No it wasn't Ult posted the story because he thought everything was decided may that's Bondo's fault because he let it sound like it was decided but at all this thread bases on NOTHING absolute NOTHING about an unfinished clanbattle uhu BOYS and GIRLS you really make me SAD your behaviour isn't better than Bondo's in anyway.

Start your own leagues if you think it is necessary ?we will keep on working on ours and btw nobody, Grift you are one of the very rare exceptions, has made suggestions to make the BL better or where are problems. You only bitched around.

It is KoS decision to go, and not Bondo's fault when Ult doesn't try to talk with Bondo.(I know in the chat dialogs Bondo wasn't impartial as an admin should be but nevertheless you could have talked with him)

Nah that's under every niveau and I'll stop now. Start to talk about problems make compromises and restart.


Mauti

[Grifter]

Bondo only has to change the way he make suggestions and yeah he should work more with the team as a team and he will I'll promise ya but I ask you was this thread at all necessary???

Mauti, yeah, I think it was necessary... only because Bondo made it clear during the Nixon thread and before that he didn't want to try to solve things through PM's... that he wanted to do it out in the open.

However, that said, you promise me it will change, and that's good enough for me.  I'm not here to bitch, but I am trying to make things better.  So with that, I'll take your word for it and let it go for now.

[Bondo]

I'm sorry to those who deserve apologies, Nixon, Sin and Ult. ?I may make mistakes in how I handle things, but with your help, I want to try to improve. ?It would help me a lot if you guys could actually talk directly to me with your concerns and not to Grifter (assuming Grifter is telling the truth when he claims everyone has complained about me to him). ?I think I deserve to be communicated about my problems from you guys and not Grifter. ?But I'll try to work as a team like I tried here by sending the files to some of you (better than nobody right?). ?I think I've been impartial and regarding the rules in my views of the complaints but I realize I haven't done enough to communicate that to everyone in a calm matter.

Grifter, I can't apologize to you, since your first moment in this thread you have done nothing but accuse me of this and that error, many of which you overstate. ?Sorry but I was trying to be civil, but that is very hard when you have a long winded Red Wings fan on your case. ?I do however apologize to everyone else for having to read this. ?It is natural human instinct to defend yourself and that is all I tried to do, but I realize there is no defense against a misguided Grifter.