Party affiliations

[cookie]

my research is only over what is relevant, which i consider to be now. His previous style of administration means nothing if he isn't currently practicing it, as I am talking about his actions as president. as for focusing on afghanistan.. while there is some merit to this i think that considering how vicious the media in general is torwards him, if he was fucking up economically everyone from nowherestown USA to DC would know about it. I haven't really looked into it much, but from what i've seen there haven't been any economic downturns that he could control. And I do agree with you on the whole policy pattern about foreign and domestic affairs. With Bush, im still waiting. He hasn't really had time to address/fuck up domestic affairs yet, and i dont know what the outcome of that "economic summit" he held was.

[|MP|Buccaneer]

while there is some merit to this i think that considering how vicious the media in general is torwards him, if he was fucking up economically everyone from nowherestown USA to DC would know about it.

Wow, perception is everything.  I always think that the media is too soft on him because of 9/11.  They are starting to get more up his ass though.  

[cookie]

oh the media has always hated him but i think that they did lay off for a bit considering they probably thought it too inappropriate a time to make political attacks  

[Bondo]

I would like to echo bucc and ace's statements about how important it is to vote. Voting is what this country is all about, millions of Americans have died fighting for that sacred right and you, bondo, have the callousness to say their deaths don't matter? To me, voting is a way of saying "Thanks" to all those who have sacraficed over the years to ensure my right to vote. Anyone who is 18 and doesn't vote in this country deserves to have the label "sheep" tattoed on their forehead because that's all they are, someone who follows without even trying to make a difference.

It isn't that I'm not trying to make a difference, I'm just not choosing voting as my means of making a difference.

[|MP|Buccaneer]

It isn't that I'm not trying to make a difference, I'm just not choosing voting as my means of making a difference.

So, the point that it is your duty to vote doesn't mean anything.  We have a responsibility to democracy, we have to take part in it for it to work correctly.

And I'm still waiting to hear why you stay in America Bondo.  I am really very interested in it.

[Bondo]

Because it would be prohibitively expensive to study abroad.  I have just enough money in my college fund to graduate with my BS.  And that is assuming my current rate which is to say, no room and board, only transportation, tuition, and books.

Once I have my degree and am looking for work, I can try to find something out of the country and then will have the money to be leaving.

[Ace]

Because it would be prohibitively expensive to study abroad.

I'm not sure of the validity of this, but at the moment I have neither the time nor the desire to check it out. Even if it is true, you are saying that you are sacrificing your morals because of money, which is quite ironic considering the high moral ground upon which you place yourself.

As for not voting and thinking that you are making a positive difference that way, from the bottom of my heart, leave America. Immediately. Don't ever come back. My grandfather was in North Africa and Japan during and after WWII. He and millions others risked their lives and many lost them for one reason: to protect the freedoms we hold so dear. One of those fundamental freedoms we enjoy is the freedom of choice, the right to vote. By saying that you don't vote as a way of making a difference is spitting on the blood, sweat, and tears of generations of Americans from the founding fathers and revolutionaries to our boys over in Afghanistan making sure 9/11 won't happen again. You disgust me Bondo.

[|MP|Buccaneer]

Ace, I could barely say that better myself.  I'd only add that it is as much a DUTY to vote as it is a RIGHT.

I'd also add that I'd bet good money that Bondo isn't paying his own way through school.  That his college fund is from Parents, etc.  The reason I say this is because if you were paying your own way, you'd know that you can make it anywhere.  Besides, talking about how intelligent you are, you don't have academic grants?

Ace, I think you have it pegged.  Selling out is the common term.

Ok, enough of that.  

Here's a good link, but dated on third parties LINK

Here is a link to show Bondo that many of those Southern States are very Democrat now a days (from a different thread, but it belongs here) LINK

And here is the big daddy.  If you visit no other link, check this one out.  It's small.  This is the link for anyone that thinks one vote doesn't count.  LINK

[Jeb]

hey,
my parents are paying my way thru school, but i'm not sad  
i thought bondo went to a community college (which is like 600$ a quarter).
One vote does count,
cause if bigpat didn't write my name in on the absentee ballot i wouldn't be a contender for the senate

[|MP|Buccaneer]

Don't take that the wrong way Jeb.  The way Bondo acts just doesn't appear to be the way Bondo lives was the point that Ace and I were both making.

There's nothing wrong with sponging off the parents if they are willing to pay.  But when you talk about how bad it is here, that's kind of selling out your morals, just for the sake of not paying your own way.  

[jn.loudnotes]

I decided to skip wading through the crap and instead jump right in.

(If that isn't a damn good metaphor, I don't know what is.)

Incidentally, I find one huge irony in partisan politics.  It appears that most Americans, whether they are registered with a particular party or not, do not fully identify with that party.  Most people I know espouse the general theory put forth by Alaric and Buccaneer (and maybe some of you others in that cesspool that was page 2).  That is, they believe in issues and people, not a group.  

So wouldn't it be nice if somehow all these many free-thinking people could come together in some way?  If together we could overthrow the two-party system?  But see, that would be creating a political party in itself. . .

Doesn't government suck when you don't run it?

[|MP|Buccaneer]

Loudnotes, isn't that what the Reformist Party is supposed to be about?

[jn.loudnotes]

Yep, and they still have a political platform, which essentially negates their purpose.  Unforunately, to be a successful candidate, you still need the support of a party, which necessitates their having at least some grounded ideaology.  But for me at least, that ideaology is little better than that of the Democrats, Republicans, Greens, Libertarians, or anyone else.

It always bothered me the way Ralph Nader insisted that there was no difference between Bush and Gore, because I think the differences are marked.  What I think he should have made more clear was that the differences hardly matter, because its still a search for the lesser of two evils.  Of course, I think Nader himself made a third evil.

I guess it's hard to make a "perfect" candidate, as a mass audience will never agree entirely on every issue.  Too bad.

[Ace]

I think the inherent problem with partisan politics (our two party version at least) is that you need to create a party to overthrow it. Bucc states that the Reformist Party's goals are to encourage free-thinking, yet to get elected they must have a platform of some sort to run on, thus creating a new party in power that needs to be overthrown...

Man, and I thought figuring out what the G in GNU stood for was a recursive nightmare...

[Bondo]

Ace, I could barely say that better myself.  I'd only add that it is as much a DUTY to vote as it is a RIGHT.

I'd also add that I'd bet good money that Bondo isn't paying his own way through school.  That his college fund is from Parents, etc.  The reason I say this is because if you were paying your own way, you'd know that you can make it anywhere.  Besides, talking about how intelligent you are, you don't have academic grants?

Ace, I think you have it pegged.  Selling out is the common term.

Since when did I say it was immoral to live in the US?  As for me having acedemic grants...those have to do with grades, intelligence doesn't.  I had a 3.7 GPA and was in the top 20% of one of the most competitive high schools in the nation.  I'm sure I could have gotten scholarships of some sort, but I didn't apply for them.  As for my "community college" if it is a community college then so is UCLA and USC and CU Boulder and U of M.  The only reason it is cheap is because it is in state, and in city (thus I live at home rather than in dorms/apartment).

As for sayinging I'm horrible because I don't vote (Ace) and thus don't pay respect to those who fight for our country, maybe you should consider that my grandfather was in the military during WWII.  I can't show gratitude to them for the freedom of speech?  I have to show gratitude by taking advantage of each and every one of my rights?  I've never gone to court so I've never utilized my right to council, I guess I'm being unpatriotic.

Oh, and I voted in every Presidential election I've been elgible for and plan to continue.

[Ace]

Bondo, we live in a representative democracy, the basis of which is formed by people voting for their respective representatives to Congress, Senate, etc. If you don't vote but keep your mouth shut and play the hand you are dealt so to speak, that's one thing. But to not vote and then have the audacity to criticize our government disrespects the memories of people who fought to guarantee us both the right to vote and the freedom of speech. As Bucc stated, voting isn't just a right, it's your civic duty.

You never said it was immoral to live in the US (as far as I can remember), but you have on many occasions ranted on about how Europe in particular is so superior to the US in terms of "quality of life" or whatever the UN told you. If you really believed this and it wasn't just a hollow statement, you would move to Europe. It does get annoying after a while when you continue to bash our country yet still want to enjoy the allegedly inferior quality of life.

[*DAMN Silent Killer]

yah bondo u seem to hate this country and its political views why dont u move to africa and have some fun with ebola , come on bondo its good enough

after all we do live in the best country for freedom in the whole world.....

just because u think something is wrong dosnt mean the system is currept or is wrong

year 200 presidental election , bondo who did you want to win bush or gore?

[PsYcO aSsAsSiN]

Since when did I say it was immoral to live in the US?  As for me having acedemic grants...those have to do with grades, intelligence doesn't.  I had a 3.7 GPA and was in the top 20% of one of the most competitive high schools in the nation.  I'm sure I could have gotten scholarships of some sort, but I didn't apply for them.  As for my "community college" if it is a community college then so is UCLA and USC and CU Boulder and U of M.  The only reason it is cheap is because it is in state, and in city (thus I live at home rather than in dorms/apartment).

Hate to break it to you Bondo, but a 3.7 wouldn't have gotten you into any of those schools except for CU Boulder and the low end of USC. I don't know about other schools, but people with very high GPA's (4.3+) and high SAT's (1400+) got rejected from UCLA...im not sure that you can put UCCS in the same category, no offense.

Also, Ace referred to "Academic Grants" in which case more often than not, you don't apply for it, but you are given it. Scholarships on the other hand you need to apply for.

Voting is a duty in this nation. I just hope that the elections in the year 2000 woke people up because the leader of the free world was chosen by a mere 200 or so votes. If you don't vote whenever and wherever you can, you are doing an injustice to this great country in which you live in.

[Typhy]

SK, Bondo and I both supported the one who got the majority of the votes. Please - If you really have nothing to add to the thread, don't post here. And if you can't take the time to edit your posts and make them at least make sence, then you should't post. You obviously enjoy your time on the forums, take your time to make your posts look good. On a webboard, there is no reason that you can't take the time to spell out words, it would be really helpful to the rest of us. I like you, I enjoy playing RS with you, I am just asking you to:

1.) Only post when you actually have somthing to add.

And 2.) To try and at least have your posts make sence.

[(SiX)Ben]

Ok... What gives you guys the right to judge others. Are all of you saying it never once occured to you you might be a little to busy for an election or might not get one done in time? Are you trying to say you guys dont get along with any one who has skipped a single voting ballet?! Well, frankly, there are as many people who don't vote in this country as there are those that do. Maybe.... Maybe, you guys took it a bit too far!

Ben