l33t haxx0rs, stand up and be counted

[Ace]

Deadeye, you do bring up a valid point in that a VERY good programmer can put out Java apps that perform at acceptable speeds, the problem is that such a programmer will almost assuredly be able to pop out a C++ app that does the same thing much faster. In the end, I don't see Java taking over for your everyday apps; maybe for server based apps, but that's it.

[|MP|Buccaneer]

sorry for the double post, ace posted at the same time as me.

ace, one of the major reasons that i see java becoming the most used language in the near future is the current slope the industry is on of thin client and n-tier architecture.  mircrosoft and sun have been pushing and are gaining support and momentum on their efforts to have network based computing on all levels.  for normal users, not programers, the average person i know spens as much or more time using web based apps now then apps that are on their own system.  this shift will continue to increase.  microsoft wants to put it's whole office suite as a net app.  if that happens, quicken and games will be the only major apps still spending time on your computer (sun wants do to the same thing with star office).  once broadband communications is more common, this will really snowball.  some games will even be run on the network, with only a very thin client on the local computer.

this is where java shines.  the application servers used as middleware run java great.  even apple has a stake in this with webobjects (a not too bad middleware application server in itself).  

c++ will be around for some apps, i have no doubt about that.  but with net based apps, java will be king.  don't foget the quickness you can code and make changes with java (if the architecture is set up correctly, which is very important).  and changes made to net apps are done.  no need to worry about people downloading the latest update, they don't need to.  

-deadeye on buccaneer's computer.  he's playing moh on mine.

[|MP|Buccaneer]

lol, did it again.

yes ace, server based apps is exactly what i'm talking about.  and i think that server based apps are going to replace most desktop based apps in the next 10 years, which was mr. lothario's query.

-deadeye on buccaneer's computer.  he's playing moh on mine.

[BTs_Colin]

uhh....started with pascal, moved to C++, learned HTML on my own, learned Visual Basic back in the day and and next semester i'm taking my second course in Java.

[Jeb]

i just installed the dev cd that came with Jaguar, and i'm learning how it works. From what i've used so far it seems realtivly well designed and made. i still don't know programing that well so i guess i'll have to learn

[Mr. Lothario]

     This is pretty damned interesting, not to mention frickin' cool. uDevGames

[cookie]

I do Obj C, C++, java, java2, and currently working on cocoa. I also do php, which is sorta lame  



and html is a "proprietary format", thanks much =P

[Ace]

i just installed the dev cd that came with Jaguar, and i'm learning how it works. From what i've used so far it seems realtivly well designed and made. i still don't know programing that well so i guess i'll have to learn

I've been messing around with it too. I don't know how I ever did Java before this. I think the Dev Tools may be the best keep secret of OS X.