This one is for |AK|

[Brain]

OMG, Rapid made a logical well written post.

What is the date?
*writes July 8th 2002*

fuck that bondo, engrave it in stone

[Grifter]

Oh boy, this should be fun....

Well, I'll tell you this much, going in games where there's plenty of new players just starting out mixed with old players, and owning them, ?is just half way to being a great player.

Sure, that's true... but it ignores two things.  One, we are talking about a clan that has skill (you are talking a player).  Second, we are talking about skill, and not what makes the Great Player.  I can tell that a player has skills, is skillful, if I see him play in games all the time.

What makes a great player is one that does the same thing under pressure in a Competitive Environment such as *DAMN BL where your name rides on the line unlike regular games. ?

Your name rides upon the line whenever you play the game under your own name.  Most of the people here think I'm a good, skilled RS player (judging from the "whos the best player thread).  How many of them have CB'd against me?  I mean, most CB's now a days are 2 v 2 (which isn't a real test of a clan... just a couple players).  So I've never faced Ultimo in a CB... he's never faced me.  But I can still say he's one of the best RS players on the Mac.  And I'm not basing that upon the BL at all.

Proving yourself in the tournament and being able to beat established players that have made the next move to make a clan, proves by far who the better players are. ?

It's one way... but not the only way... which is what I've repeated here a few times... too bad you guys just don't get that.

Being that Grifter dislikes me personally so much and knowing I am the Leader of |?K|, it is nearly impossible for him to ever credit the fact that the better clans are always at top holding down shop. ?And that's simply because our clan is up there.

Actually, you are wrong again.  I like how you try to attack my personal feelings towards you as a way to make any response of mine lest credible... but you are wrong.  This started long before AK was even a thought.  I know that many here remember RAIN... and them being on top of the ladder.... right?  And remember them getting guys to form a clan, just to CB them...  the CB counted, RAIN had a ton of wins, and was number one, and the clan that they just beat was gone the next day....  Does that make RAIN a great clan?  I don't think so either.  What I said was that the BL system has ways to be manipulated.  That unless it is a true LEAGUE where everyone plays the same number of games, against all the clans, it couldn't be the best measure of skill that Bondo makes it out to be.  


END OF PART ONE

[Grifter]

PART DUEX

Competitive Environment is where you prove yourself and your clan. ?Regular games are just that, Regular games.

I agree... but that has absolutely nothing to do with the BL or the clan ladder.  You and your so called "respect cbs" (which many clans seem to have liked in the past).  Having CB's that don't count....  so it doesn't effect the skills on the ladder.... that would be one more way that the ladder is flawed.  Also, you are saying that any clan that chooses not to compete on the BL (but will still CB with you) can't be considered SKILLED... That's just plain wrong.

Thanks for your time and Look forward to CB'ing some good competition like SECT soon. ?

HAHAHAHAHA.... oh sorry.  I've heard that joke too many times.

Ah... and look here... proff that he doesn't believe everything he is saying.  SECT is called 'good competition'.  That would imply that we have skills.  Not according to the clan ladder... where we sit in 9th place.  But since we've beaten the number one clan... and if we beat AK (as if they would CB us)... and never CB again... would we have skills or not?

I love playing RS, but the only way it is really fun, is when a good challenge comes along and you battle it out in exciting games that go down to the wire.

CB's are great... and it is the reason I'm in a clan in the first place.  I like to compete.

What I've said is that the BL clan ladder is not the end all be all example of SKILL.  It is one measure, and one measure only.  And a good player can be in any game and recognize skill in another.  A good clan can recognize skills in another.  Would Jordon have still posessed his skills if he had never played in the NBA??  I think so.  He would never have been the Greatest Player... or a Hall of Famer... but his skills would have been there.  (obviously they would get dull if he never played... but in this example, he'd be able to play pick up ball with all the NBA greats too... since all the best clans don't only CB).  

Skill isn't a measure of success...  but often success comes from skill (usually, but not always).  I'm saying keep them seperate.. that's all.  I'm saying that OoA, even without a CB could be considered skilled by those that play RS and have seen them play... that the BL alone isn't the measure of skill.

[one]

I say we hold a huge tourney, and see whos the best...

[†FiRE Infection]

I say we hold a huge tourney, and see whos the best...

One that was the idea of the *DAMN tourny but now some people are signing up late and confusing some things.  If this goes well there will be more tourney's and even the idea of a possible player of the year to the person who wins the most tourney's that year.

As to some of what Grifter said..I know you are skilled because I cb'ed you in a 4v4 when you were with Swat.  You kicked our little n00b asses.

[oso]

I'm going to have to say SECT, they are just plain good. Their teamwork is amazing, being of mostly ex-SWAT it's no surprise. Oso, Civeron, and Grifter just own.

awww ::hugs jo::

[Typhy]

PART DUEX


HAHAHAHAHA.... oh sorry. ?I've heard that joke too many times.

Ah... and look here... proff that he doesn't believe everything he is saying. ?SECT is called 'good competition'. ?That would imply that we have skills. ?Not according to the clan ladder... where we sit in 9th place. ?But since we've beaten the number one clan... and if we beat AK (as if they would CB us)... and never CB again... would we have skills or not?

SECT is considered good compitition considering that you're made up mostly of former SWAT players, and SWAT was good, also because you've beatn KoS, If you battle AK and then no one else again, I will consider you a clan made up of skilled players, but not a skilled clan, The diffrence between a clan of skilled players, and skilled clans is that a Clan of Skilled players just has a bunch of really good players, while a skilled clan has a group of players who opperate well as a clan.

-Typhy

[AK_Rap1d]

Grifter, we by far have excellent players and teamplay in our clan, yet you choose not to mention us or any of us in particular. ?I myself give everybody in GR a run for their money, let alone when my team is with me side by side (then it's slaughter house), yet never get credited by you thanks to your inflammated ego (or the fact you dont even play RS no more, yet act like you do). ?I don't want to claim best, but I do like to claim skilled. ?You are full of yourself and you continue to steer everyone's feelings with your misconcepts. ?There are many great players at everything out there, but the only way for it to be officially known, is to enter a league and hold down shop with a team. ?I personally challenged OoA xoclipse to a CB and he said, "No". ?So realize That I challenge these "good" clans and they decline me. ?So while you chat your life away in these forums, we are actually playing RS and not MOHAA and keeping up with who's where. ?Of course there's been clans up there, but that was PAST. ?This is NOW. ?You want to see who's bad ass in RS, check the BL stats. ?Enough Said. ?Of course people that are lowered ranked, will feel this isn't the way to judge it. ?Of course those people spend time posting 10 paragraphs in forums where it talks about how they play, rather than being in a game and showing how they play. ?Times have changed and it's a whole new crowd. ?Talk all you want about the past, it's about present. ?The future has a spot for the winner that proves themselves in this competitive environment. ?So while you claim this isn't a very good way to judge skill grifter, you are by far wrong and obviously you are so stubborn you can't see that. ?Go ahead and keep arguing this isn't the best way to judge clans' skill. ?We all know it is. ?You're only allowed to CB a clan 3 times per season. ?You get penalized 10% for losing. ?You can only gain a maximum of 40 points per won CB. ?It is definately working and you are definately on one thinking it's not. ?I'll let you dwell on this post and let you attempt to brainwash others on believing otherwise, but we all know this is the best way to see who's the best at the time being. ?Bring your SECT clan around and we'll be happy to CB you. ?I been waiting to CB you since you took the forfeit win with SWAT! ?Now ?get your ass in GR and CB! ?Maybe then you can gain some ground to talk shit.(Not that you ever need any, you do it anyways and you always think you're right no matter how wrong you are. ?Damn overgrown kid) ?

(You had your opinion Grift that BL isn't the best way to judge it in your eyes. ?Time for my Eyes and a lot of others that think just like me) ?This IS the best way to see who's best. ?Beating and Killing people in CB is by far a more taskfull skill to carry out than doing so in a regular game. ?CB is where it counts and it will always be the official way to prove yourself. ?When you kill in regular games, that's child's play since you are not under pressure of a tournament status. ?Psychology has a lot do with how you play, and you dont have the pressure you have in a reg. game, the way you have it in a CB, therefore giving you a chance to play better in a non pressure environment. ?Put it this way, if Jordan wouldn't have joined the NBA, he would've only been known by a handful. ?By joining the NBA and proving all he did, he showed the whole world he had the skills. ?Remember that BL is worldwide and any challenge from anybody around the world can arrive at any time. ?Think about that next time you say BL is not a proper way to judge skill with clans.

[Grifter]

SECT is considered good compitition considering that you're made up mostly of former SWAT players, and SWAT was good, also because you've beatn KoS

You are right... and just illustrated my point.  SECT is considered Skilled... yet we have only 3 CB's to our name... and are not high on the BL....

If you battle AK and then no one else again, I will consider you a clan made up of skilled players, but not a skilled clan, The diffrence between a clan of skilled players, and skilled clans is that a Clan of Skilled players just has a bunch of really good players, while a skilled clan has a group of players who opperate well as a clan.

I agree with every point there but one....

The one I don't agree with is that you have to be in the BL or that the number of CB's determine it....

If we are godd, and beat some other very good clans... why would the fact that we chose not to CB very often mean we aren't just as skilled??

I only use SECT since you brought us up... we will CB more.. but we are MOH whores right now

[Grifter]

Grifter, we by far have excellent players and teamplay in our clan, yet you choose not to mention us or any of us in particular. ?

Funny... I didn't mention anybody but KoS and RAIN in my last post.... you don't see anyone else complaining... do you?  Get over yourself already.  The world isn't about AK.  You also didn't hear me say anything bad, did you?

I myself give everybody in GR a run for their money, let alone when my team is with me side by side (then it's slaughter house), yet never get credited by you thanks to your inflammated ego (or the fact you dont even play RS no more, yet act like you do). ?

Wow, full of yourself, aren't you.  Rapid, you aren't near the top in skills in my book... sorry.  You do not give everybody a run for their money.  And if it was a slaughterhouse, your win % would be damn near 100%.. wouldn't it?  The reason you don't get credit from me is because you (Rapid) are an asshole, and not that good... as for AK.. I've never said a bad thing about them as a clan.  Only it's leader.

You're only allowed to CB a clan 3 times per season. ?You get penalized 10% for losing. ?You can only gain a maximum of 40 points per won CB. ?It is definately working and you are definately on one thinking it's not.

Sure, and if you do all your CB's late, you'll gain more points then if you do them early (the skill point system lets teams catch up faster with less wins).  And it doesn't force you to CB the best clans... it still lets you choose.  And then there is the fact that one clan can have 10 times the amount of CB's as another... all that says is that they play often... not that they are skilled....

Bring your SECT clan around and we'll be happy to CB you. ?I been waiting to CB you since you took the forfeit win with SWAT! ?Now ?get your ass in GR and CB!

I can't count how many times you've said that... only to always back down... bah

Put it this way, if Jordan wouldn't have joined the NBA, he would've only been known by a handful. ?By joining the NBA and proving all he did, he showed the whole world he had the skills.

But Jordan would have had his skills... nothing can change that.  That is my whole point.  Too bad you just can't seem to understand it.  In the NBA or not... Jordan has the skills.  It doesn't matter who knows it... that doesn't change the fact that he had the SKILL.  Way to show my point for me!

Remember that BL is worldwide and any challenge from anybody around the world can arrive at any time.

Yeah... it's just too bad that they don't have to accept it... huh?

Again Rapid, all your bitching hasn't proven a thing.  Oh... Grifter hates me and wants to brainwash the world against me... well asshole, I didn't bring you up... you did.  I didn't say a thing about Retardo or AK.... I was talking about SKILL, and how the BL isn't the only, nor the best way to judge SKILL.  

[Mr. Lothario]

    Grifter is doing a fine job of beating Rapid about the face and shoulders, so I'll just say this.

Beating and Killing people in CB is by far a more taskfull skill to carry out than doing so in a regular game.

    Rapid, I've seen you use the word "taskfull" before. It's not a real word. Even if it was real, you wouldn't be using it properly. The suffix -ful means, among other things, "characterized by; resembling." Taskful? Resembling a task? Sorry, no go. Even if it was real and even if you were using it properly, you're spelling it wrong. The suffix -ful has one "L".

[Oso]

hahah rapid saying the forfeit win from SWAT though the score was 5-0 before you guys wined and gave up, and now you say you been looking forward to a cb with SECT, though you have been asked NUMEROUS amout of times to cb by us, but same ol answer as before, no our "elites arent on" though i see like 5 aks with |?k| which means they are the elite AK's. ihave stated this a lot of times too, but you know you always block out the truth.

raped you are like a big baby, "WAH WAH WAH grifter didnt mention me in the most skilled clan WAAh MOMMY!!" get over it like grifter said he didnt mention even KoS and they are easily one of the most skilled clans out there, ?

Raped face learn to realize that the we all dont worry about Ak like you do, cuz they are not part of our lives, like it seems to be with you, so when some one doesnt post about AK doesnt mean they dont like them, just means they have something better to talk about .

[Brain]

mb he ment skillful task?

actually i have come to admire rapid. after all not many people could take that much punishment and still want more

[Grifter]

He doesn't actually read my posts Bran... so he has no idea that he's getting beat... kinda like him in RS too... (remember, he thinks he gives everyone more then they can handle...)

[Brain]

more bullshit thatn they can handle is more like it

[Bondo]

Ahh, double posting whores.

Anyway, Maybe after we finish up with the 1v1 and 3v3 tournements, we'll have to have a Clan based tourney where any of the group can play. ?Maybe have it have the same format but make it best of three CBs to advance. ?The league part is a heavy commitment that most wouldn't be able to keep (seeing as some clans can't be arsed to CB once a month).

And Grifter, stop with this, if they don't agree with you or if they argue a point you've argued against, they haven't read your post thing.  Just because Rapid and I disagree on what makes a skilled player doesn't mean each side has to keep posting about it (as I've stopped arguing that just because I said my piece).

[Grifter]

Oh... I thought you finally realized that skill and success (or frequency) are not the same thing... and can be measured in more then one way... especially by those that play the game.  I actually did figure that the Av's and Jordan point made it through to you though.

As for my continued posts...  if Retardo wants to come in here and pick a fight... I'm not backing down.  I didn't bring him into it, he brought me into it... so nope.. I'm not going to just let it go... sorry.

[Bondo]

What Av's point (I wasn't in the argument so I wasn't about to read your lengthy posts).  And I didn't say that I thought playing a lot was necessary.  But beating good teams/players in a competitive situation is necessary to me thinking someone has skill for the most part.  They don't have to win more than everyone else, but they need to have a distinguished competitive record.

[Grifter]

DOH... my bad.  I changed that post Bondo.  I had the Av's and Jordan... but changed it to the Harlem Globetrotters... as it fit a little better.  It's on page two right between two of your posts.

The point was, you made mention early that the BL was truely an indication of ability... and that if you hadn't CB'd, you couldn't have skill...  My counter is that MJ would still have his skill in hoops, even if he had never played in the NBA... if he had gone on to be a pro baseball player.  And that the Globetrotters have obvious SKILL... even though they never compete.

[xoclipse]

muhahahah