AirPort & Hosting...

[?{RiP}? Vapor]

Ok, need a little help here. I don't know if it can be done, but it would be stupid as hell if it could be. I'm trying to configure my AirPort so I am able to host Rogue Spear games. I've posted something about it on the Apple Discussions page, figuring they would be able to help me out. Well, I got replys telling me I need to "Port Map" my base station. Ok well, for the port mapping, ?you need to enter a public port (which I assume is the port that Rogue uses to communicate over the intertnet - Ports: 2346, 2347, and 2348), well also you need to enter your IP address which is filled in automatically for me so no trouble there, and you also need to fill in a private port. I'm not sure what the private port is but someone at Apple replied to me saying to just put the same port as the public. So like they said, I port mapped all three of Rogue Spear ports that I know of. And you can guess it didn't work. I don't know if I did it wrong or is there another way to do it. I figure some of the guys on this forum are really good with computers and would give me more help then people on the Apple Discussions page. So if anyone knows how to do it can they please help me out. It would be much appreciated.

Thanks.
-Vapor

[†FiRE Infection]

I just thought that you couldn't host with airport....please if anyone knows say it.  I Would like to learn this also.

[PsYcO aSsAsSiN]

sadly, I think the only person with this type of expertise was Grifter...

[Ace]

Unfortunately, even this was a little beyond GRIFT's abilities. He tried to help me with this one time to no avail. I also remember him saying about he had to host on the DMZ to get it to work for him. I don't know what this means, so I'm probably not too much help.

[?{RiP}? Vapor]

Damn, this really sucks. It's bullshit you should just be able to turn the firewall off.

[Mr. Lothario]

    While I have no actual experience with Airport, perhaps I can usefully contribute. Viper informed me in the past that RS actually uses the port 15000. It's not listed anywhere in the game, of course. (Damn shoddy programming.) Try opening that one and see if that helps.

    A DMZ is a "demilitarized zone" which brings a computer out from behind the firewall. In my experience with my Linksys router, marking a computer as a DMZ host is not a panacea, but it does fix a number of niggling problems, including some problems I had with GR and RS.

[Brain]

panacea
niggling

pls define these 2 words, i dont think i have ever heard them before

[Ace]

Panacea = true cure
I assume niggling means something like minor, small, etc.

Ah yes, I forgot to add that GR (or at least used to) force RS to use 15000 (instead of 2346 I believe). Dunno if that helps you at all.

[Mr. Lothario]

    I shall lean on Dictionary.com for more authoritative definitions than I could formulate.

    Panacea:
          n. A remedy for all diseases, evils, or difficulties; a cure-all.
          \Pan`a*ce"a\, n. [L., fr. Gr. ?, fr. ? all-healing; ?, ?, all + ? to heal.] 1. A remedy for all diseases; a universal medicine; a cure-all; catholicon; hence, a relief or solace for affliction.

    Niggling:
         adj. 1.      Petty, especially in a nagging or annoying way; trifling: a pointless dispute over niggling details.
         2.      Overly concerned with details; exacting and fussy.

[|MP|Buccaneer]

it used to be that you could not host games through airport.  we tried it more then once.

however, airports last two updates both included some work on the forwarding through airport.  so you can give it a try.

first thing is that rogue spear uses more then one port, so you'll have to forward all the ports it uses.  I think it uses 3 ports, and have heard it uses 15000 on game ranger.  problem is, which other ports.  quick answer is, forward all the ports from 14990 to 15010.  you'll want to forward these ports in the airport admin utility under the tab 'port mapping'.  you'll forward each port to the same port number on the ip of the computer you are trying to host with.  so 14990 10.0.1.2 14990, that way.  repeated for each port.

you'll also want to check the box 'enable airport to eithernet bridging' under the network tab.  we had to do this to get apple remote desktop to work between the airport network and the eithernet computers.  

word of caution!!! if you forward the ports to a specific computer on the airport network, then no other computer using that airport basestation will be able to use those ports.  so if you and your brother are trying to play over airport at the same time, it wont work.  even if he trys to join a different game later, using a different computer, it wont work until the ports are not forwarded.

i don't know if this will work for sure.  when deadeye comes back from his parents, i'll see if he wants to give it a try.

[?{RiP}? Vapor]

OK, well I ported all the ports between 14990 thru 15010 and I also ported 2346,2347, and 2348. Then when I went to host I started the game and it acted liek it would load normally but when the screen dimmed it just stayed black so I had to manually restart the computer. Why the hell is this so difficult? This has got to be one of the dumbest things. There has got to be a way out there to get this shit to work. Let me know if you guys figure anything out, I do appreciate your help Buc, and please talked to DeadEye for me. Thanks.

-Vapor

[*DAMN Snake]

well now you got the airport to work but now you are behing a firewall ? don't worry.
go into TCP/IP in the control panles and set the configure to manually.
1)put your IP address in
2)subnet mask (open aple system profiler and go under TCP/IP in there to find it, should be called Netmask)
3)the router address(in ASP should be called default gateway address)
4)name sever addr(in ASP should be called name server address)

copy into TCP/IP this should get you infront of the fire wall.if it does not show anything in ASP you will have to call your ISP. if you have a router it's a little diffrent. if you have one let me know and i'll post again ?
o and that screen going black is the firewall it's killing your host by making it take 5 min loads...if you let it load the game should load in but it sucks.
*DAMN Snake  

[?{RiP}? Vapor]

Ok, I did as you said Snake, and I started a game... well the screen stayed black for about a min and half and then it worked as normal. However, when Xoclipse joined my game and went to come in, it said "Connection to server could not be found" or whatever. Did I miss something? Who do you know Silent that knows how to do it?

[PsYcO aSsAsSiN]

what port number did he try to use when connecting to your computer?

[*DAMN Silent Killer]

Ultimo dose it all the time

haha ult u douchecake

[?{RiP}? Vapor]

Assassin, he tried to join through GR.

SK, I asked Ulti if he knew anything and he said he didn't.

[PsYcO aSsAsSiN]

Try doing a manual join - gameranger never did use the intended ports for joining games.

[?{RiP}? Vapor]

Assassin - that ruins the whole point of getting past the firewall in the first place. I want to get it to work so I am able to host games off of GR, not so everyone has to be bothered with manually joining.

[Brain]

hey, does anyone have any ideas how to i can host from behind an asante router hooked up to a cable modem?

[*DAMN Snake]

          sheesh 1 at a time...vapor well start with the Ez one...ok so it worked you can join games and play,good however i think the airport does not let anyone join your game...it's trying to use the ports GR gives it and the port the airport uses are toatly diffrent. try hosting a game without GR, they would have to join by IP and port(of the airport).
        i think there is a way to get around an airport...i know a few people with an airport and they did the same thing i told you, and it worked for some and it dident for others. try caling your ISP and ask them for the ports. i can find out for you but try what i said about hosting without GR.you still have not  answered my question do you have a router?
     anyways to brian now, do the same exact thing i told vapor...if it does not work you will have to log into the router and find the correct info and place it into the TCP/IP this should get you in front of the firewall and kill the 5 min loads o and btw DMZ hosting is for a server i think i tryed that and it messed up my router i think grifter had a diffrent router, i got a links so brian give or take a little if nothing works i can find out you. just give me the name brand and model and i will find out.  
*DAMN Snake