I only made that statement as a mock-flame while in defensive posture responding to your claim that my opinion had no merit.  You guys know that I am always one of the first people eager to try out betas of new mods.  I enjoy the change of pace from the base Ghost Recon game--but I do not favor making a Battle League out of a 3rd party-why-the-hell-cheesy mod.



You know that BTs doesn't camp--back that up bro!!! (My statement (which was in jest) was an unrefutable FACT, while yours is known by most to be DIAMETRICALLY CONTRARY TO FACT and therefore MUST BE A JOKE.

I posted above my primary reason for disliking this mod (try reading)-- How can anyone say this will curtail camping WHEN IT IS THE PRIMARY OBJECTIVE OF WARZONE 180 TO CAMP THE WARZONE (CAMP 3 minutes HERE and YOU WIN)?

I have had nothing but respect (until the last few posts--yours and mine) for MP and it's members--I haven't met an MP I didn't like, despite their efforts  


    BTs_ST uRM

PS--Why don't you tell everyone your actual reasons for your attempted hijack of the Damn R6 Battle League through the introduction of a 3rd party mod.  (Its funny how you think your and MP's position are untouchable gospel but that my lone differing opinion is either not valid or must be biased--I am just stating my opinions in this thread about a proposition I feel may jeopardize the Damn R6 GHOST RECON BATTLE LEAGUE)

PPS--Maybe Damn could change the Ladder mod every season to suit the desires of different non-finalist clans.  MP mod is on deck and X1 Xtreme Combat is in the hole.

PPPS--PLEASE MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF THE DAMN R6 GHOST RECON BATTLE LEAGUE. (If this entails MP starting their own Warzone league so be it).

OK here is my 2 cents again on this warzone crap.

My concern with this mod is as follows....

I have tried it and i didn't like it.
We played against c| and they were very clever when it came to playing warzone.
As they have always been when it came to playing any style of GHR.
Be it LMS, Siege, warzone etc...

They were smart enough to make the move inside and have guys run on the outside of the warzeon to catch the other team off gaurd.

My concerns aren't because of c|.... It's for thos clans who would camp it up on spawn points... Yes it's annoying yes i hate camping.

This warzone game (which i have tried many times) promotes camping.

Maybe c| plays in a diffrent way that doesnt promote camping like i say. But my worries are for those clans who I have bitched about in the past. This wz introduces a new style of camping. 1 that just takes the whole surprise out of the game....

Even though i hate campers it is kinda nice to back the enemy up into a corner at their spawn point... shoot 1, then back off so they walk into your sensor net.
This game somewhat eliminates the element of surprise in my eyes.
Every game i have played (not including the c| ones)... The team to run to the wz first pretty much wins by camping it up around the wz...

Imagine this scenerio....
1 team closest to the wz gets inside.... sets up camp nicely...
The other team spawns across the map... Being that it is a LMS style game, in REAL cbs everyone moves 10 times slower.... So now you have to worry about your 3 minute time limit in order to get either the wz or kill all of the other members... With no active clock to show how much time u have left till the wz time limit is up...

Ok so 45 seconds into the game and your still not close the wz... BUT WAIT! u see a guy! YOU KILL HIM! only 4 more guys to go! and only 2:15 seconds to kill them all or go grab wz...!
So in other words the team who spawned fartest away is now up a man yet can still loose the game because of some expert campers... and on top of this they have less then 2 minutes now to kill everyone or loose the game.

Yes LMS style games were slower paced... Yes camping is annoying....
But yet that was the fun of these CB Styled games... It was a chess game which sometimes moved really fast and other times were really really slow.

You think it's hard to kill a bts or a c| member now? Try killing 4 of them in under 2 minutes while all of them have setup camp in or around the warzone...

So you get close to the wz because there is 1 minute left before u loose only to get shot from someone camping the outside entrance? maybe u get inside only to find someone inside the wz? Either way i have seen nothing but camping fromt his mod.

Yesterday i played WZ on a public server... I ran up to the smoke (This had multiple respawns by the way) I setup a sensor, and i went to the bathroom... took a nice long poo... came back and my team camped out the location so needless to say... 3 minutes were up an we won. yay!

That was the funnest poo i have ever had... At least with lms you can expect the enemy to either be hiding in all the nook an crannies of each map or actually trying to hunt u down....

And yes bucc u have seen us camped...
We camp out the campers... if you camp us out believe me we will camp u out. So yes we have camped you out! campers =P

maybe it will be more popular if this DAMN league takes up WZ which a few clans love to death, and other hate to death. Its kinda conflicting, but if DAMN wants to host this WZ crap, then BTL hosts LMS, then there will be clans playing in both leagues. This whole problem is solved by having 2 separate ladders.

I say change the warzone to hamburger  hill! Works for ghostrecon pc ladders  

Again a nice strong post from MP...

Yet when do u guys ever play?
I would love to see these warzone games played when it means something...

These mock cbs dont proove anything at all... Everyone runs around without a worry... which will explain why every game is so quick for u...

And as for the scenerio no im not assuming that the team furthest away is camping I AM assuming that BOTH teams in a REAL CB will move alot slower. So this whole 3 minute time limit sucks... especially if they are campped around and inside the wz...

Like i said before... You ever try killing 4 c| guys with a time limit of 3 minutes? Not so easy... and yes to toot my own horn... ill give u 3 minutes to kill all of bts guys... See how you like this mod then....

im gonna stay neutral in this, but whatever is best for the community is what should be done.

LOL eight...   listen,

drop the flame.  This has nothing to do with MP.  It has nothin against BTs.  It has everything to do with making a more competitive ladder.

Thank you for the descriptive feed back, but your arguments feel warped.  I can do better making arguments defending old LMS, and yet I still feel WZ is the better ladder gametype.

In response to sixshooter.  Damn BL is fun... it's fun because its competitive.  please read up, way up in this forum.  "dont fix it if it aint broke"  it is a little broke.  If I'm not mistaken, it seemed most of BTs (then DEA) was up in arms about the teams begining to camp in cb's of season 3, I was too.  And as you can tell from the past few posts, we all admit to camping now.  We all love the idea of LMS, but the ideal LMS has changed.  To play a dead serious cb match it's unavoidable to camp.  The evenly matched games become a maddening deadlocked camp-off.  I seriously don't understand why you guys are defending this Eight.  ??=(?

Bottom line... Both types play like LMS.  Both invite heavy team tactics. One game is much slower, less action.  The other moves faster, more action, quicker decission making.  And I still don't feel like many people have been seriously considering this.    

   

well let me think about why i don't play GHR all the time these days...
internship + summer quarter takes up 14 hours of my day... homework is another 2 hours a day...
then my freetime is limited to 3 and 4 hours in which i usually choose to hang out with friends rather than spend time online.
I know that lots of the other "mps" are working, or on vacation.

so surely because i have a life outside of the internet i should not be allowed to talk about anything pertaining to the damn bl.

For my thoughts on the warzone ladder, I think it could work if it was kept separate from the main LMS ladder. But i don't think its ready to be the default ladder.

A little response to sickboy,
I'm completely confused why bts would complain about this, it would fix the problem that they always bitch about relating to camping. Plus you'd think they would like it if damn BL sucked, so more people would join their league...

Let's not make this some kind of religious issue sturm. It's a game.

As a game, it's supposed to be fun, and it is. The battle league is also supposed to be fun, and in it's current form, it isn't. 5 hour camp-fests aren't much fun to me. Warzone fixes the camping problem, making the game more fun.

No system is ever perfect, even (especially) retail games. If there is a way to improve the system, should we not do it? Simple fact remains that warzone makes cbs more fun.

I encourage every person who plans on playing in the season 5 ghr ladder to speak up about this issue. Even if you have nothing more to say than a simple "I like it" or "I don't like it". But before you do, play a few rounds of warzone with no respawns in a mock cb. I think you'll find it a much more enjoyable experience than regular LMS.


I vote for warzone to replace LMS.

Yes, and no.  This isn't a hostile takeover.  I posted a suggestion, others took up the suggestion.  The suggestion seem to have momentum.  However, if you want to convince people that the status quo is better, you have to actually say why, not just that it is.


Bullshit.  You haven't really responded to the points brought up so far.

And as for you being a "purest", isn't that your name on the Siege and CQB ladders on the BTs league?  Yeah, you sure believe in the "purity" of the game there.


What the hell are you smoking?  "KowTow"?  "Whims of the minority"?  and there you go using the big one again, MUSCLE.  Show me where we've applied the pressure to strong arm someone into it?

And here, yet again, you try and turn this into an |MP| vs the league thing.  What is your problem?  Look at the other people that have posted on this.  Look at Mauti's reaction.  No, it sure seems like you, Eight and SignTit care more about most of |MP| (not all of it either, btw) liking it, then you do about the actual mod or anyone else's opinions.  


Impossible, since you don't even talk about the points brought up so far.  You are just ignoring them, not responding to them.  Repeating your same old song.  If you don't open up and discuss it, don't bother asking.  It's as bad as calling out a CB and then backing down.

Honestly, either talk about what's been talked about, or just drop it already.  It's as bad as spam when you don't actually talk about it, just keep pointing fingers.

Loth, I think the heart of the problem is that they aren't actually reading the posts, they are just fighting it and pointing fingers at us.