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« Reply #80 on: March 24, 2003, 04:34:29 pm »
Sadly, money is one of the cornerstones of civilization, anyone who doesn't care about their economy should live in a cave. You can blame it on Bush because who would in their right minds lower the taxes as much as he does, and then mostly for the rich companies, when the economy is falling, and then on top of it, engage in a war.
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« Reply #81 on: March 24, 2003, 05:56:29 pm »
Quote from: kami on March 24, 2003, 04:34:29 pm
Sadly, money is one of the cornerstones of civilization, anyone who doesn't care about their economy should live in a cave. You can blame it on Bush because who would in their right minds lower the taxes as much as he does, and then mostly for the rich companies, when the economy is falling, and then on top of it, engage in a war.

Only problem with that statement Kami.  War has historically been very good for the economy.
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« Reply #82 on: March 24, 2003, 11:26:39 pm »
Headline, Bucc -

That's because you're a centrist.  If you leaned toward one side or the other, you wouldn't see that extreme as being quite so extremist.  If you're a liberal, a communist isn't as crazy to you as a facist.  But if you're conservative, a facist probably isn't as crazy to you as a communist.

You have the enviable viewpoint of thinking that virtually everyone is crazy  Grin

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« Reply #83 on: March 24, 2003, 11:34:40 pm »
Meh.... as you have guessed im conservitave. Grin
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« Reply #84 on: March 25, 2003, 12:20:27 am »
I think centrists are pathetic. Make up your damn mind already! Roll Eyes

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« Reply #85 on: March 25, 2003, 12:32:08 am »
Heh well I agree. . .
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« Reply #86 on: March 25, 2003, 12:42:37 am »
The war will cost a lot of money, you're lucky if your economy goes up as much as you might wish, it doing so is far from certain.
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« Reply #87 on: March 25, 2003, 01:58:16 am »
Well its a basic of capitalism, what goes up must come down. No matter what administration there is, those effects are here to stay. However Bush has enhanced the effect. He has cut taxes right before a war. He has let corruption become more rampant (it has been going rampant since the days of Andrew Jackson).

Tasty I agree, the centrists are pathetic, the reason being, is that Bucc is one of them.
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« Reply #88 on: March 25, 2003, 05:23:22 am »
Tasty, that would have been funnier if moderates actually were the same as fence sitters.  =P

Yes, I took it as a joke.  But, for those that don't know, a conservative is a guy that wont touch a drop of alcohol.  A liberal is a guy that is an alcoholic.  A moderate is the guy that has a glass with dinner each night, and gets hammered a couple times a year  Grin  (take that as an analogy, not literal.  Literal and the conservative would be the alcoholic, the Liberal the pot head, and so on.)

Kami, I'm counting on nothing.  But, like I said, history says you are wrong.  War has always proven good for the economy, not bad.  You made it sound bad for it.
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« Reply #89 on: March 25, 2003, 06:52:37 am »
Vietnam, Afghanistan (in the 80s), and Gulf War 1 is my awnser that Bucc.
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« Reply #90 on: March 25, 2003, 06:56:31 am »
ww1 & ww2 are my answers Coss.
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« Reply #91 on: March 25, 2003, 07:00:44 am »
Civil War, War on Tripoli. My point was that war is not always good for the economy.
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« Reply #92 on: March 25, 2003, 08:26:34 am »
Cossack, Vietnam was good for the economy, so was the Gulf War 1.  Look at the Amerian Economy at those times.

Afghanistan (of the 80's) wasn't an American war, so it has nothing to do with it.  Civil War, that's a good point.  It was good for half the economy, bad for the other half.

Just look at the American Economy at times when it was in a war.  It's an honest trend.
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« Reply #93 on: March 25, 2003, 05:20:24 pm »
Not their aftermaths, the Gulf War left us in recession, the recession of the 70s was an effect off of Vietnam, Afghanistan lead to our (USSR's) collapse. You may feel a slight shot of Bull but the Bear will come back shortly after this war. Remember after Gulf War I that factories were closing all over. Remember how George I lost? Its the economy stupid!
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« Reply #94 on: March 25, 2003, 07:52:17 pm »
War boosted the economy.  Without the Gulf War 1, there wouldn't have been any relief from the first Bush's economic policy.

Also, I don't agree that the recession of the 70's was because of Vietnam.  Start with OPEC, follow with an auto industry that was not prepared for it, ans stir with forign competition.  
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« Reply #95 on: March 25, 2003, 09:05:14 pm »
"Read my lips - no new taxes"

AHAHAHAHAHAHA die Bush.
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« Reply #96 on: March 25, 2003, 10:22:57 pm »
I don't know if it's good or just sad when people want higher taxes Wink

Bucc, I'm not sure this war will have any positive effect on the economy because of all the tension and political chaos left in it's footsteps, and as everyone knows, a good economy isn't just about your own country, it's about export and import as well, which is done largely with countries that are pissed off at the US at the moment.
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« Reply #97 on: March 26, 2003, 01:32:33 am »
Wow. . .

Who cares whether it's good for the economy?  That's no reason to kill hundreds or thousands of people.

Besides, war only helps the economy because it activates the military industry, creating jobs too.  However, that industry has already been fairly active, so I doubt there will be much net gain from this war.  The only other benefit I can see is that the federal government will spend $75 billion. . .but since that's all going to be debt. . . Tongue
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« Reply #98 on: March 26, 2003, 04:01:33 am »
Quote from: kami on March 25, 2003, 10:22:57 pm
it's about export and import as well, which is done largely with countries that are pissed off at the US at the moment.

Shit, with the trade deficit the way it is, maybe people will stop importing as much too.

More to the point, I'm just talking history.  Like I said, I'm not counting on anything.

Quote from: jn.loudnotes on March 26, 2003, 01:32:33 am
Who cares whether it's good for the economy?  That's no reason to kill hundreds or thousands of people.

Anyone here say it was a reason to go to war?  We are just discussing the effects on the economy, why should that be off limits?

Quote from: jn.loudnotes on March 26, 2003, 01:32:33 am
However, that industry has already been fairly active, so I doubt there will be much net gain from this war.  The only other benefit I can see is that the federal government will spend $75 billion. . .but since that's all going to be debt. . . Tongue

Someone wasn't watching the news tonight, with Congress changing the proposed tax cuts.  Checks and Balances at work for all you people of little faith.  

As for the industry being active, damn, someone has to replace all those bombs, missles and parts.  That may sound flip or glib, but it is also the truth.
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« Reply #99 on: March 26, 2003, 05:12:43 am »
I don't think anyone is directly going to state that its a reason to go to war, but I think its impossible to claim that the reasoning didn't at least cross the minds of the Bush administration when deciding to promote this war. Everyone knows about this reason in the back of their heads and everyone takes it into account. With a failing economy and considerable domestic concerns that have gone unanswered, there is no doubt in my mind that Bush is desperately hoping this war boosts the economy. However, conservative economists like the Cato institute have condemned this war on largely economic grounds. The long term effects will remain to be seen, honestly I hope this war kills our economy so people will scrutinize the possibility of war more closely next time the opportunity arises.
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