I have been looking over the BL rules about cbing.  I was under the impression that this was a Mac based Battle League only.  And not for PC's because of the IP joining, framerate, and cheating issues.  I did refuse a CB with a clan (Which will of course remain nameless ) beacuse they were using a PC player in the game.  We didnt even start the CB because I never entered the game cause I was waiting for their last player.  This clan told me that it was in the BL rules to allow a PC player to CB with the clans as long as most of the players were Mac's.  
     I myself, and every one of our players thought that this was a Macintosh based Battle League.  for Mac's only.  I do understand that this clan wasnt much to be said about but the simple fact is that PC players up till this season were not allowed in these CB's held in Gameranger.  So I said that we will not CB with a PC player on their team.  They brought in another Mac player I thought to take his place but then they said that he was just leaving cause he had to go.  That is fine with me cause I want to CB but just on my terms and not with PC players period.  I know this is just a game, but I want the game played as fair as possible.  Even if we are the better team.  It is the honerable thing to do.    I know we have taken a lot of heat for waiting to play Cb's, and I can understand why other clans would be butt-hurt on our decidion to do so.  It was something that all our clansmen agreed upon.  
     I loved the fact that DAMN took enough time to make sure that Macintosh players had a palce to CB each other from all over the world to determine the strongest Macintosh clans in the world.  that is a great thing, adn i think that we are soiling the Macintosh community by letting PC players play for these clans.
     Macintosh has always struggled with finding a place for them, and some might be like myself that say that PC players should not be able to play for clans on Battle League.  I am one of them, so I do believe in these beliefs of a Macintosh only Battleleague.  Once we let PC's into the picture then we kinda desercrate the only Macintosh based Battle League for Ghost recon or Rainbow Six games in the world.  Please leave input on this.  I am biased about this and I admit it.  But that dosent mean that I dont want to hear objective opinions about this.  Thanks.

+MOD+Saberian.CBl

OK, so PC players are allowed within CB's then.  Well, if this is the case then I am under the assumption that IP joining is allowed as well for all the other players.  I mean PC players cannot log onto Gameranger.  So therefore the only way for them to play in CB's is to IP join.  It would only be fair that Mac's as well be allowed to IP join because of this.  
     I was also under the assumption that we wearnt allowed to IP join for the simple fact that it would allow a PC player to play a CB without being noticed because there is no real way of knowing if the player is using a PC.  Plus the unfair advantage that PC players dont have to join through Gameranger like all other Mac's do.  So since PC players can play CB's I will assume that Mac players can now IP join as well.  I do not think that we can have a Mac only Battle League if you allow even some PC's play within CB's.  Weather the PC player is good or not it should not make a difference.   I can understand that you want you're buddies with PC's to be allowed to play and I can understand to a point, but If we are a Mac only Battle League, then PC's should not be allowed to play CB's for that simple reason.  
     I took pride in this Battle League because of the fact that it was a Macintosh based League only.  Now we have PC players as well in this league which is not a fair thing to anyone with a lower end Mac.  Let's face it, most people with Mac's have much slower systems then the PC counterparts.  So many of the Gameranger Patrons are going to have serious issues against a PC with 2x - 6x the speed and graphical capability compared to the slower Mac's.  Ya see, this throws the Macintosh Battle League way out of whack.  I am sure I am not the only one that feels kinda betrayed by this dereliction of Mac only gaming.    PC had so many problems with hacking and whatnot that I was glad to be into the Mac only thing because less people were trying to cheat and whatnot.   Now this opens the door to clans using even more hacks to overcome the opposition, and less skill.   And creates a level of gameplay unsuitable for even gaming.    Plus this just allows more people to get PC's and replace their Mac's for the more efficient gaming experience.    
     You say that this is a Mac only Gaming League.  Please keep it that way.  I have a PC because my fiance' uses one for work, but I am a Mac only player.  So please, either make it Mac only again, or allow all system styles to use the same abilities.  Including IP joining and not only through Gameranger.  But then, even if we are mainly Mac's, this will no longer  be a Mac gaming Community, but a mixed gaming League, and we will start to have the same problems that PC gaming leagues are suffering from now.

+MOD+Saberian.CBl

IP joining and PC players are only banned in the AK/*DAMN 1vs1 RS tournament due some of the facts you named but the BL always allowed other platform players as long as they belong to a Mac clan.

Well I'll think about it.

Bye,

Mauti

The clans that are taking in PC players are hurting themself in the long run. It is a lot easier to get some good team work if you can play together and talk together on game ranger.  Plus it is less fun for the PC player. Game ranger doubles as a nice chat program where mac gamers can meet mac gamers. That pc player is thus unable to chat with their mac opponents. I don't really see why a PC player would join a mac gameranger league. I don't see a problem with it neither.

I see that PCs are allowed to cb in Damn Mac-Only Battle League.  Does this mean I can cb with my Cray Supercomputer?  I don't see why not...Thanks Damn BL!  I will own all you clans with your measly PCs and Macs!

Mauti,

    Thank you!  That's what I wanted to hear! Of course you know my previous post was at the height of my sarcasm.  I don't have a Cray Supercomputer so please don't ban me lol! I only play Ghost Recon on my MAC with and against other MAC users.  i am friends with PC people but it doesn't mean I have to cross-platform game with them.  I appreciate your considering the whole debate and making your ruling above.  You are alright by me!

SturmSoldat

Well XO, maybe you should have considered all this before you went and got yourself banned from gr, and if you want to cb so badly just go join some pc clan and wiz around with them and their pentium4's. Of course Im not gonna cb against two pc users when I run a imac400, thats totaly a waste of my time...so deal with it and good day.

You are welcome in any of *DAMNs cbs! Well of course it is complicated to get you in some cbs and that was the reason why I changed the rule next to some other reasons.

however I'm sure you will have the opportunity to play against clans where the players know you like KOS!

Good luck,

Mauti

lmfao....xo takes everything so personally....and Hazard can blow me (again I mean, the first time was great...nice suck haz ). First off xo, bashing me and saying you own will not get you any more respect or make you look cool. We all know I suck at rs so owning me is no big deal. Second off, yes I do think pc ppl and some mac users with fast ass comps have a helluva better chance than ppl with slow ass macs, thats a fact not an excuse. Thirdly, you prefer kicking my ass? LMAO, I guess that translates into ? I can't kick anybody in the PC worlds ass so to feel better about myself I like to play ppl with computers half as fast as mine or worse to make myself look good ? get a fucking clue retard...come in and talk more big shit like Im sure you will...as most Fire members are like that, and see how far it gets you.

I've let you play my host many times as you ip joined, don't plan on it anymore....and yea..Im sure you just came home one night and was perma for no reason...just like everyone in jail is innocent...pffff...now go hack some more and maybe, just maybe you can go and get yourself banned from here as well.

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