We all know your secretly leaving to play GTA:VC on your PS2, but you are to ashamed to admit that i'm right about it being the best game ever  
take care bondo

I have to add one thing in general about getting the passwords as admin:

Yes Bucc you are right you can't see the passwords as admin on the web but on most forums(I don't know about the one you use) you can open your user files manually and in this file you can read the passwords.

E.g. on the old YaBB forum every user had a user.dat file. When you downloaded this file to your HD you could open it in simple text and every data was readable. Also if you doesn't have locked your members directory everyone who knows the full path could access that file.

However that has nothing to do with Grifter at all just wanted to point that out.

Also one thing about lost accounts in the past the dynamic server were very unstable and often crashed. If you were online at the same time it could happen that your account was deleted.

However I hope everybody calms down again.

Have a nice day,

Mauti

Bucc your outragoues you claim that Bondo is bad and your sitting there stating all the "bad things" he did while you yourself are doing them in that very post. He slathered your friend? Your slathering mine. He made a "personal attack" i think saying FUCK YOU is a personal attack as well. Bondo has no reason to apoligize there willl always be differences between people regardless of weather they live or not. Bondo and Grifter clearly had a feud that you did not know about and to take up for Grifter on something you dont even KNOW about is pointless. You may think I blindly stick up for bondo but I read the forums and know what this is about. This is about you taking Bondos words and twisting them all the hell around into something thier not and if I were not as civil as I am I would probably go off on you but seeing as not doing that will prove that I am clearly more mature then you regardless of age.

Mauti, I appreciate your position on this.  Unfortunately, there is not a simple solution.  Deadeye has left, and I doubt he'll ever be back.  For me, talking to Bondo would do no good whatsoever.  I have no interest in ever talking, hearing, or dealing with him ever again.  He has wasted enough of my time and energy.  

I know that you are trying to be a good and proper person here Mauti.  But Bondo has had many chances to just take it all back and admit he's wrong, but he'll never be a good enough person to do that.  It doesn't matter how many chances he gets.  So, as far as I'm concerned, he can go to hell, I don't want to hear an apology from him.  The only thing I feel is contempt.  I wouldn't let him eat the corn out of my crap if he was starving to death.  So, I'm sorry, I don't want to make things better between us, he crossed the line too far.

Zaitsev, you should have stayed out the first time you got involved in this.  I do know about the feuds between Grifter and Bondo, unlike you, I chose to read back.  As for taking Grifter's side, damn fucking right.  You do not post lies about someone that is gone (there's no twisting of words, he flat out accused Grifter of doing somthing that he couldn't do).  Especially if he was one of my best friends.  So Zaitsev, yes, FUCK YOU was a personal attack.  Not half as personal as his attack was though.  And not the smallest percent of the personal attack he'd get if I ever have the chance to meet him in person.  I sure as hell don't know what friendship means to you Zaitsev, but you obviously don't seem to think about it the way I do.  It's not like Grifter was Ace, someone I've talked to online.  This is a man I roomed with in college and after.  This is a man I was proud to call my brother.  So shut your fucking pie hole Zaitsev, you shouldn't get involved.  If you truely were mature, you'd know that.

Ben,
       I feel  that thier relationship isnt the subject at hand. What is at hand is Bondo stating differences he had with Grifter and then Deadeye misconstrewing what Bondo said into some godawful hating of the dead. Your opinion is based on your hatred of me which makes your point completly invalid to me Ben. BUcc I understand your hatred of Bondo and I understnad you not wanting to talk to him but if you dont talk to him dont talk about him either just be silent and dont talk to him if thats what you think is best but dont not talk to him then go behind is back.

I can see where many of the sides in this argument are coming from Brain I really can. I dont feel that I am blindly siding with Bondo but I do feel that the people against Bondo have the main argument of, what if you knew grifter in person, or you dont even know grifter in person and that I think is irrelevent. My regards to Grifters closest friends, realy I am sorry. But I feel that the altercation where he deleted Bondos account COULD have happend. I dont see a reason for Bondo to lie about it. I mean knowing Grifter doesent mean you know everything that he once did.

In Buccs or Deadeyes shoes I might be a little mad at first but then I would have to relize as they to should that Bondo and Grifter fought, this is clear, that humans fight. Them knowing Grifter, however close it may be, doesnt mean that they could be sure that Bondo didnt fight with Grifter. Thus they cant erupt at Bondo for lieing because they are not 100% sure that the deleting of the name did not happen. They could be in doubt because maybe they know Grifters morals but, the retaliation he recieved followed by the pounding saying how wrong it is to attack a dead person was out of line for the situtaion.

Once again I feel for you Deadeye and I am sorry for your pain but Grifter clearly fought with Bondo and because of this we shouldnt have started a flamewar, If you thought Bondo's statement wrong you could have dis regarded and just moved on. I feel we shouldnt get stuck on this and in order for us to move ahead that Bondo and Buck should have a talk, however Bucc doesnt want that so he is postponing a problem

Oh my friggin gosh... I crashed as I finished up the last lines of my post... it was like 3 pages! Ahh well... Time to start over again... More summarical

1) Zai, Stop pulling a rapid... I'll explain this later.

2) Zai... STFU

3) Zai... Dude... you are being a friggin moron. First, lemme lay out what happenned in the No Red Font string...

It starts out innocently enough, Bondo mentions Grift deleted it... No Insults... Bucc returns with no insults, just states that that would be impossible... It goes on a while, until Bondo brings Hitler into it. Yes... Hitler. Now, it would be ok if he worded it right, but he didn't. He worded it to COMPARE Grifter to Hitler. Now, is that ok? Granted, it may have been a miswording, but lets look at the theme by even bringing Hitler into this. Bondo wanted to put a point across with Hitler... That Grifter was 1) An Asshole (in his opinion) 2) Evil. Now, forgive me for saying so, but Zai... You are being a moron (yes, I'm iterating myself) If your family member died, your dad so to speak... or mom... or brother or sister... died and I came to the funeral. Now think if I went over to you and the deceased loved ones and said "Wow, they are Bitches. They were so mean and evil when they were alive, I'm glad they are dead." You wouldn't be mad? Pardon my disbelief, but if you are telling the truth, I pity you. You just proved how emotion-less you are.

4) To respond to your last sentances. You say your 14? By your posts you seem more like 10. You say you "is" more mature then the rest of us? Could it be that the rest of us are more mature then you? You just told us you think yourself more mature then Mauti, Brain, myself, Bucc, Deadeye, and any other person which agrees with us (which, pardon me for saying so, but it seems to be the whole forum)... And yet we are the immature ones? Continue living in that dream world Zai...

5) I said this before damnit, and I'll say it again. Shut The Fuck Up. Now believe it or not, these "STFU's" to to protect you. Yes, protect you. The way in which you blindly follow Bondo (because by the way you are insulting Grifters memories to, I am thorougly convinced you didn't read past posts) and the way in which you assume your right WILL make you the scourge of the forum. Look at Rapid (I'm sorry Rapid ) who has assumed himself correct in every debate he's been in, who assumes he "pwned" the other guy because... well... hes rapid. That is what your doing. When I say "stfu" I'm trying to protect you here, because you don't want to be friendless in this community, otherwsie you wouldn't post here. Don't... Pull... A... Rapid... Don't post what you think and assume your right, because frankly, your not.

Ben

I am so done with this thread. The immature personal remarks by Ben, I can only laugh at you because it is funny to me how your vocabulary isnt big enough to say anything without cursing. It is clear to me that The hitler comment was only saying that they were both dead and hitler isnt revered as a god now just because he died, no other reason. It is also clear to me that people are holding thier sides on this argument and so there is no use biccering on endlessly. Lets just all enjoy playing and have fun. Throughout these posts I apoligize for any immature remarks I made directed at certain people and I wish that my view on this topic will not be seen as a personal attack on anyone, we just have different views.

Zaitsev, I can understand that you want to defend your friend.  I can even respect that to a point.  The differences between us are that 1) if my friend was so obviously wrong, I'd tell him to shut his mouth before he dug a deeper hole. and 2) my firend isn't here to defend himself.  So I can't just let some cocksucker say (not even imply) that he did something.  I don't care if Bondo says he holds a grudge or not, that isn't the point.  The point is that he is saying something bad about Grifter, when he doesn't actually know.  That's wrong to do to someone while they are living.  It's inexcusable to do to someone after they have passed.  

To everyone else, I'm thinking that Deadeye had the right idea here.  While I enjoy debate with many of you, the cocksucker will just get involved and things will never get better.  It's obvious that his self exile can never last more then a day (this is the second time he made that claim).  So, maybe I'll take my leave.  I'm already avoiding posting in threads because he has gotten involved, just because I'm trying to do what is right (and Loudnotes and Brain have both pointed out).  So I'm thinking that the fuck it attitude could well be what is called for here.  I just have no wish to share any community with this cocksucker any longer.  Things change.