AI: Answer to Isreal

[|MP|Buccaneer]

My question, the one posed in the topic, was directed towards you bucc.

Um, no, it wasn't.  It was directed at Bush supporters.  Since I have openly stated that I hate Bush and don't support him, I must deduct it wasn't directed at me.

You did mention my name saying that I wouldn't answer you, which I did, and I did it in a very short way without insults.  Asshole.

I also let drop the fact that you claimed you weren't addressed in the tax cut thread.  It was covered over and over, just because it doesn't have your name on it, doesn't mean it wasn't covered.  Please go back and read it.

Furthermore from this response I can extract 2 facts. The first is you do not mindlessly support bussh and the second is that from the gist of your response it gives a feeling that there are perfectly good reasoning for our stance and thus you agree with it.

Wow, you can extract something I've said often and directly, then tell me my response says I agree with it.  Wow.  No wonder you get so much of your history wrong, you can't fucking read worth a shit.  What I've said in the past is that there are perfectly OBVIOUS reasons.  How is that supporting anything or not?

So now, perhaps i WAS wrong.

No perhaps about it.

Do you support the United States stance on Israel or not? I apologize for assuming things should I be wrong.

I support some of the stances and am opposed to some others.  

Like I said, there are many sides to the whole Israel picture, it's nowhere near black and white and there is so much going on.

I really like what Jimmy Carter did over there, both as President and since.  

But, like I said, this isn't a topic I feel like debating.  I have no strong feelings on it.  I'm not a huge supporter or detractor of Israel or our policy towards them.  I do know that comparing them to Iraq is stupid, because of some very large differences (and religion is not one of them, nor is oil).  

I fail however to see how me misinterpreting skills realates to my reading skills not improving. Obviously I can read, and you seem to be edgeing out of response by ASKING for this to be locked by your flamethrowing.

No Zaitsev, you started the flame-throwing with the bullshit about "cowering in a corner" when I hadn't even opened this thread up to read it.  So don't even try to pull that kind of crap out of your ass.  You asked for this.

As for your being able to read being obvious, that is not the case.  When I say things directly you still get them wrong.  It's not like I was explaining the principles of modern quantum physics or the latest theories of James Martin on how computer chip design and logic circuits will be completely alien once we start letting the computers design the chips and take humans out of the equation.  No.  What happened is you want me to try to defend the USA's policy towards Israel, and are now trying to pull the old school yard routine out to "dare" me into it.  The USA's policy has been pretty simple and obvious.  Find someone that gives a damn to argue it, because I don't give a damn about it really.  The Israel topic ranks up just higher then women's figure skating in my book.

I may be a kid, but Im not the one being immatue. I walked past a yellow cab today and it made me think of you and your vulgar voabulary use....TO BELITTLE IS TO BE LITTLE

ohh, so impressive.  Problem is, you didn't take that and apply it to yourself.  Notice you are the one that started this.  Oh, but since you didn't use profanity I guess that makes it better.  Bullshit.  Grow up.  You called me a coward, you tried to bait me into defending the USA's policy, and you keep calling me a Bush supporter (for months and months, and you wonder why I say you can't read).  So, think about that, oh, sorry, forgot that you don't think for yourself.  Tell mommy that and have her explain it all to you.

Just not specifically in the capacity it was originally stated.

Which means it wasn't right.  You never stop amazing me with that bullshit though.  How you can't be wrong, even when you obviously are.  

[The Ghost of Bondo]

Which means it wasn't right.  You never stop amazing me with that bullshit though.  How you can't be wrong, even when you obviously are.  

Uhh...I said that it was the comment he was talking about...and it was the comment he was talking about.  How is that wrong?  "You never stop amazing me with that bullshit though.  How you can't be wrong, even when you obviously are."  Odd how that discribes the one who wrote it most of all.

[|MP|Buccaneer]

Bondo, getting a tiny bit right, and the rest wrong, when the rest was the important part, still equals wrong you fucking moron.  This isn't "partial credit for showing your work" and even if it was, you are still fucking wrong.  How stupid are you?

You, Bondo, tried to correct me.  You were wrong.  He was looking for my opinions, and had made assumptions about them.  Just like I was saying.  Asshole.

[EUR_Zaitsev]

You see I would have to disagree with your  comment then I started the flamethrowing. While "cowering in the corner" could logically be true seeing as this topic was in depth for quite sometime before you gave a logical response. Your first response didnt answer anything

"And your question about whey the USA supports Isreal has been answered more then once. "
<>It doesnt state who answered it, or where they answered it or any of the good arguments, which would be needed to be classified as a good point, which it wasnt. Such a Bushy answer could come from Ari Fletcher and you. From this answer we learn NOTHING. Am I to search everyones post ever made? It could be slightly narrowed if you said WHO actually has defeneded it well but you didnt.

"No Zaitsev, you started the flame-throwing with the bullshit about "cowering in a corner" when I hadn't even opened this thread up to read it.? So don't even try to pull that kind of crap out of your ass.? You asked for this."
<>I would have to say no your wrong. You obviously opened this thread up before I called you a covered because I do see your post THIRD OVERALL while I dont post another thing until THE SECOND PAGE.

<>Furthormore If I ever saw my name in a topic's opening post such as your name was in mines, I dont care the context I would carry on in thatpost with vigor. So yes, I inteded it to be directed to you.

<>Im taking a month long siesta to Conneticuit, I hope no new importent topics pop up and Bondo continues to hold Bucc in check.

[The Ghost of Bondo]

Funny thing, I've not been hostile towards Bucc this whole thread yet have been getting cussed up a tree by Bucc.  Way to show your maturity Bucc.

[|MP|Buccaneer]

You see I would have to disagree with your  comment then I started the flamethrowing. While "cowering in the corner" could logically be true seeing as this topic was in depth for quite sometime before you gave a logical response. Your first response didnt answer anything

Calling you a dumbass is also logical, and true, but it's also still insulting.  And your comment was insulting.

It doesn't state who answered it, or where they answered it or any of the good arguments, which would be needed to be classified as a good point, which it wasn't. Such a Bushy answer could come from Ari Fletcher and you. From this answer we learn NOTHING. Am I to search everyones post ever made? It could be slightly narrowed if you said WHO actually has defeneded it well but you didnt.

First, I said it like I meant it, it is an old topic that has been covered.  

Second, I don't care how you do your homework, you looking up information is YOUR responsibility, not mine.  You can go through peoples posts, or you can use the search function, or you can take a history class.  It's not a secret or complicated.  Why the USA has treated Israel as it has is not a hard thing to see.

Third, I never said anyone defended it.  Could you fucking try to actually read?  The WHY THE USA SUPPORTS THEM question has been answered.  That's a far cry from defending anything.  I can tell you why the Death Penalty is still used, but that doesn't mean I'm defending it (since I'm against it).  Time for you to learn how to read little boy.

I would have to say no your wrong. You obviously opened this thread up before I called you a covered because I do see your post THIRD OVERALL while I dont post another thing until THE SECOND PAGE.

<>Furthormore If I ever saw my name in a topic's opening post such as your name was in mines, I dont care the context I would carry on in thatpost with vigor. So yes, I inteded it to be directed to you.

Yes, I opened it, saw it was dumb, posted as much, and never looked back at it till I was spammed the post.  I think I've said as much already.  It was a dumb thread, which is why I gave you the first post.  I wouldn't know when you responded, since I didn't look at this thread again until I came to answer your bullshit.

My name may have been there, but you were looking for 1) Bush supporters and 2) someone to defend the USA's policy.  I've already said, that's not me.  Maybe you'll get that the third time around.  Saying my name in your post doesn't mean all of a sudden I'm all geeked about talking about Israel.  You could just as easily call me out and want me defend the zoning laws for restaurants.  I just don't care.  You have it in your mind that you know my opinion, or that I even have a strong one on this topic.  It's just not one I care that much about.  Try to get that idea into that pea sized cranium of yours.

Im taking a month long siesta to Conneticuit, I hope no new importent topics pop up and Bondo continues to hold Bucc in check.

You are taking a month long nap?

Bondo couldn't hold my 8 week old in check.

Oh, and Bondo, you chose to jump in, defend the little asshole, get things wrong, and be your normal ignorant self.  And use of profanity does not show maturity one way or another.  Like I've tried to explain to you and Loud before, you go ahead and insult your ways, and I'll choose mine.  You're comments like "                                                                        Yay, once again using the "what I wrote in the past" line, as if I had nothing to do but remember everything and everything Bucc has ever posted." aren't hostile at all, are they?  Bullshit.  

By the way, anyone hear me say that those comments were by me?  Doh, there goes another stupid assumption by the village idiots.

[BFG]

WOW that gentlemen is absolutly amazing. Unbelieveable. This thread has been up for a while.. and although it had a quiet bit in the middle we had some damn good conversations about the israeli issue earlier on...

And then lo and behold what happens?
Mysteriously the tone of the whole thread drops a teeny bit... suddendly someone is throwing random bullshit and insulting the guys on the forum.. OF couse everyone else is a bunch of analy retentive, small minded, dumb, anti american, pile of shit, thickass ejits....

Now who could that possibly be?

Couldn't we just easy of the insults just a tad? would be nice to discuss peoples different oppinions without someone rushing around telling everyone how 'fucking stupid' they are?

[|MP|Buccaneer]

And then lo and behold what happens?

What happened is someone chose to insult me, and I got spammed with links to the thread.  Or did you miss that part in your reading here?

suddendly someone is throwing random bullshit and insulting the guys on the forum..

That would be Zaitsev (with Bondo adding to the bullshit, since he wanted to jump in to the rescue again).  Since my insults were not random at all, but directed right at the source.

OF couse everyone else is a bunch of analy retentive, small minded, dumb, anti american, pile of shit, thickass ejits....

You know, since none of this has a bit to do with anything I talk about, you sure do sound like a dumbass bringing it up.

Couldn't we just easy of the insults just a tad? would be nice to discuss peoples different oppinions without someone rushing around telling everyone how 'fucking stupid' they are?

Who's opinion on Israel have I insulted?  Show me BFG!  Nobody's.  Show me BFG, come on.  Let's see it.  

[Cossack]

Water off a duck's back Bucc. Screw their insults you dont have to respond to them. Although this conversation has turned less about Israel and more about who said what and who insulted whom when. I find it childish that both parties countinue this. I think Bondo and Zait should relize Bucc's response to their "actual questions about his stance on Israel" I also think Bucc should not fly off the handle and resort to cuss words or insults even if he is insulted.

[|MP|Buccaneer]

Cossack, that surprises me, since you were one of the people that told me about this thread and to go do something about it.

[Mr. Lothario]

     Incongrous behavior, and a slight drinking problem. Could the two be related? Could be.

[Cow]

i think the jews should calm down

[tasty]

I say we let the Middle East solve their own damn problems. If Israel is settling on Palestinian land, or Palestine is "pushing Israel into the sea": I don't really care. Perhaps this is an issue that the UN could attempt to deal with (not saying they can do any better to solve it) but I say its high time the US focused its money and time elsewhere.

[Cossack]

Well I guess you got me there. There are two faces to me. Anyhow its on the thread "Treason" that I was talking about. This thread you were already bitching at 'em. Even if I did say go do something about it I will stand by my current stance, even if I'm a hypocrite for doing it.

[|MP|Buccaneer]

Ah, another thread I haven't even ventured into.  At this point, I think I'll stay out of it.  At least until BFG gives me an answer.

[Cossack]

I for one have had enough bitching so I will get back onto topic, my rant on Israel and how Sharon is the ironic reincarnation of Hitler gone Bahmitzvah.

Let the Isrealis do what they want to the Palestinians but dont drag me down with them. That is my opinion in short, now here it is in detailed and laid out.

What the Isrealis are doing is immoral, the bulldozing of civilian homes to punish the act of one man. The shooting of school children, and the Jenin Massacre. Whats more so is that the Palestinian based purely on ethnicity has been treated as a second class citizen very much like the apartheid did with ethnic Zulus and Bantus. Why are the Palestinians in revolt? It is because they are oppressed. They are treated like trash and have no opportunity to advance in Israeli sociotey. I would also like to be a critic of these new "Palestinian Suicide bombing tactics." The Isrealis did the same thing the Palestinians are doing during the "Isreali War of Independece." It was more like the seizure of a nation by a bunch of foreign born extremists.

 Moreso is the fact that the US is fast becoming the bitch of Israel. We fund it, we give it military equipment, we look the other way when IDF men machine gun school children. We praise them. Let the truth be known that Paul Wolfowitz the Deputy Secretary of Defence of the DEFENCE DEPARTMENT, THE GUYS IN THE PENTAGON, THE SECOND HAND MAN TO DONALD RUMSFELD HAS DUAL CITIZENSHIP! He is also an Israeli citizen and has served in the IDF. What the hell an ex-officer of a foreign military doing in charge of our military? You wouldnt trust Alexander Lebed (commander of Soviet Forces in Afghanistan during the 80s) as Deputy Secretary of Defence would you? Oh I almost forgot, Wolfowitz has the ability to call Tribunals. Some god damned Isreali can go call a native born American, go to his house and call him a terrorist and make him disappear with no reason specified. That is insane.

In combination with Military Tribunals is a law being set before Congress. This law makes it illegal to critisize Israel! This is absolutly poposturous. Even if you are for Israel you sould be against this bill. Clearly its a blatant violation of freedom of speech. It is already illegal to boycott Israel, now it may soon be that it is illegal to talk disfavorably of the country. You can boycott the US government, but you cant boycott Sharon and his band of dogmatic chronies.

These are a few reasons why I so hate the bastard of the Middle East. I do not want to support murder and injustice, and the Hamas and Hezbollah have my emotional praise when they attack IDF installations. I see them not as terrorist groups but freedom fighters when they target the IDF.

[BFG]

Ok firstly Bucc, Um im not quite sure what im supposed to be replying on.. um im guessing its your collection of quotes from one of my posts...Perhaps we can clarify stuff. Im not quite clear about your stance on the topic. Im pretty aware that your Anti bush. And you support the actions of israel?

Fine i look like a dumbass for saying somthing. This is exactly what im talking about. I missed the bit of the post when everything blew up, but people calling each other dumshits or dumbass or whatever dosn't really help. thats all.

Cossak I think what you said has some real truth to it. Ive been very reluctant to make the comparisno between israel and palestine now, and the nazi's and jews in wwII... But i have made it before, and i think your absolutly right.

Of course at the same time I don't support the bombing of civilians by hamas and hizbolah and other groups. But then again they are killing civilians just like the israeli's are. So i say again, which is worse? A democratic country with a large and powerfull army? or a group of freedom fighters struggling against occupation and oppression?

[|MP|Buccaneer]

Im not quite clear about your stance on the topic. Im pretty aware that your Anti bush. And you support the actions of israel?

That's just it BFG.  I haven't made a stance.  Zaitsev decided to assume I supported the status quo and was calling me out to defend it.  I haven't actually jumped into the whole topic, for the reasons I've given.

Fine i look like a dumbass for saying somthing. This is exactly what im talking about. I missed the bit of the post when everything blew up, but people calling each other dumshits or dumbass or whatever dosn't really help. thats all.

Ah, and that's the important thing.  You see the danger of posting an opinion when you haven't read carefully / paid attention / etc.  

What happened here (with me) is Zaitsev decided to try to bait me into defending a position that I never made.  Bondo jumped in (as he likes to do) to add more fuel to the fire.  

I think you let an impression of me from another thread make you jump to the conclusion that I was shitting on someone's opinions here.  Jumping to conclusions and assumptions are bad.  Leave it for the idiots.