think about it zait what is sadam doing right now???

first of all what are we gona do let him sell nukes??

what do u think would happen if a random person....lets just say ossama bin laden got a nuke,

el launcho el nuko

evan thow we would still blow it up if it came across the ocean but if he got one into the country, retend a minivan, drove it into L.A. , blew LA up.......zait think of the number of deaths if we just sit here.  i know this may be a bit extreme but i say shoot him.....,..........shoot him dead and let god sort it out

Wrong, wrong, and more wrong. Zaitsev, you do not remember the Gulf War nor have you taken a real history class, so all of your knowledge is hearsay.

A) Bush doesn't need a war in Iraq to be re-elected...his approval rating of 65% is one of the highest in the history of American politics.

B) Yes, he is following in his father's footsteps...by trying to enforce the cease fire that was negotiated when he was in office. If he was trying to follow in his footsteps as you imply now, Saddam would be dead and there would be an even nastier regime in Iraq.

C) Look up the word imperialist in a dictionary. I know it wasn't in your current post, but you seem to use that word quite liberally when talking about GWB. If we were imperialists, it would be the United States of the World because we have the power to bring the world to its knees - but of course you should have known that already...

D) I think you meant to say Mutual Assured Destruction when dealing with the Cold War - that has nothing to do with Iraq.

E) He does not have nuclear capability, he has Chem and Bio weapons...if you had bothered to read anything from the last time I posted on this issue, you would have known that.

F) You think the "Highway of Death" existed/killed 300,000 Iraqi children? You are a sucker for Iraqi propaganda. If any such thing would have happened, there would be people at The Hague under trial...you do know that we aren't the only nation with orbiting spy satellites. As for the Iraqi children dying, the only one responsible for that is Saddam Hussein himself. He witholds money, food, medicine, and other daily necessities of life that he gets from the UN's food for oil program and turns around and uses the money to fund his WMD programs. I bet you at least 300,000 Iraqi people die a year because of his policies.

G) Open your eyes and look at the world. Both Iraq and North Korea have ample representation within the UN. For the most part, Iraq is backed by other Arab states who can make a fuss in the UN (look at the Israel/Palestinean conflict) and North Korea has China, a country that has veto power in the Security Council.

H) As for the UN being a front for the US...if it was, we would be bombing Baghdad as I type this. But seeing that we went through the diplomatic channels, we have backed off of our immediate war footing and are waiting for Saddam to slip up so we can bomb him into oblivion.

I) All war is fought for something, people don't go into war for the hell of it. Wars have been fought over natural resources since the beginning fo mankind, and I don't think it is going to stop anytime soon.

J) If you are so righteous about the Left Wing views, go hop on board a Greenpeace freighter and have fun having a Russian Cruiser shell you.

Might I just state this:

Iraq's high up people unanimously agreed to disobey the UN's resolution (or so they told Hussein), so like it or not, we're most likely going to war. (Hussein hasn't said his response yet, but the people's unanimous vote is a big proof of what he will say.

Iraq has done more then you know zai... So... just... no... We've already discussed this topic in like... 10 threads...

Ben

i know this has been said, but Zaitsev, take a freaken history class and catch up on the latest politics about what is going on with Iraq.

Once you do, then you can argue properly with us. from the looks of it you are like reading the freaken Iraqi paper...

I wont state anything that  has been said already by Assassin and Ben...

U.S. gave a plan to Iraq, either allow inspectors in to search every inch of the palaces and a military bases or suffer consequences. Simple.

Well, I think Iraq would prefer no war to war...they just would prefer war to no war and no weapons.

i disagree strongly with the war on iraq, but zaitsev most of your stated reasons are factually??arguable. regardless, the best argument ive heard against the war on iraq proving our alterior motives are the parallels that can be drawn between iraq and another "axis of evil", north korea. after all, north korea definetely has nukes, definetely has missles, and definetely has made several public statements against the US and US policy. yes, iraq is rumored to have chemical and biological weapons, but they have no nukes and no missles to launch any of these sorts of attacks on US soil. so what makes iraq so much more threatening than north korea?

although i dont agree with everything zaitsev said, i think that assasin got a few things wrong too.

its true, his approval rating is quite high. but this has always been shown to fall when presidential election season comes around, and if bush doesnt turn around the american economy people arent going to vote for him again. i wouldnt say that this war is a complete reelection effort, but i would say that it is an unnecessary foreign distraction when he should be looking at domestic issues


it's defined as: The policy of extending a nation's authority by territorial acquisition or by the establishment of economic and political hegemony over other nations.

i think that it can safely be said that the United States (made up of acquired territories from Britain, France, Spain, Mexico, and various indigenous tribes) has economic and political control over many nations through "regime changes" (recent examples include Afghanistan, Venezuela, and possibly Iraq?) and also participation in groups like the UN which can economically control countries through sanctions and other trade barriers.


the US butchered the charter of the international criminal court? in exchange for our agreeance to participate in it, we essentially made the ICC agree not to prosecute us for the next year, with renewal for this provision available each year. As far as US atrocities, I highly suggest that you all read some Chomsky. If only I had brought my Chomsky collection to college? anyway his 9-11 book, and his books on media propaganda and US atrocities and his video "Manufacturing Consent" are all great resources??unfortuantely I can't quote them now.

a few other random notes, since im tired of quoting:

-i hardly think that the patronage of other countries counts as ample representation in the UN

-i dont understand the logic of your bomb first, ask questions later rhetoric? besides, we can't just bomb "him" without bombing thousands of other people too, and very doubtfully killing him in the process.

-as far as your argument over the history of going to war over resources? why fight over a resource that we can get from others and that we should be phasing out anyway because of the horrible polluting effects of it?

-i only hope i have the chance to hop on a greenpeace freighter? greenpeace pwns.

this war will only make me feel less safe, as it accomplishes nothing and adds fire to the already burning hatred that many dangerous people have for the US??

probably sleeping

already been proven, and posted in countless posts that saddam DOES NOT have nuclear weapons.
i dont even know where to start with this one? Osama Bin Laden would not have the capabilities of getting a nuclear weapon into the US for one thing. For another thing, who would launch a nuke over the ocean for Bin Laden? For another thing, we could and would shoot it down with our trusty ICBMs.  Another thing, how could we shoot Saddam if we don't even know where he is (and we haven't for quite some time)? and for my last point, what role does god have in any of this? i dont think that christianity has any relevance to foreign policy.

also, you misspelled the names of Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden, two of the most notorious men in the world today

Yay Ace! You agree that these constant threads iterating themselves over and over are quite dull... In any case I've got a UN simulation in my AP Global Government class, and I'm positive that Iraq is going to state "we denied your resolution because the war is based soley on oil". Does anyone have a sheet of factual evidence stating we don't need the oil or thats not the problem?! I have papers stating other reasons and whatnot, but I need solid proof that the war is NOT for oil....

P.S. Bondo, North Korea's nukes are already built. Nothing can stop them from building more AND they promised to disarm... This is completely the opposite from Suddham who... will take another year to make the nukes... Korea could put one together in a very brief amount of time compared. Plus they already had the nukes, and thus demonstrated they won't use it willingly across the globe... Anyway

Ben

You guys think that I hail Saddam. I know he is a bad man but I also see George Bush as a bad man. This crap of go to a new thread is BS because if you dont want to talk about it then you yourself can stay out of it. To all the people who say about history lessons I know Saddam is a bad man. I know he probably has evil intentions but I also want to say that we are not a perfect country and I think that until we improve our own domestic problems we have no business going into other peoples countries and killing. My HISTORY class shows that last 2 out of 3 times we went into big countries, excluding the balkins many Americans died and people couldnt really see for what. Someone said smart people in power are good but how can you judge smart. Like some people think Bush is a genius, I think he is an idiot so how does that work? Power is best when divided (i.e. longest governement still standing is US with set of checks and balances)  However to hate people who dont agree with us isnt right. Ben, Cossock, Oso and Sin you guys I am not for Saddam I know how very bad he is but until we stop  committing atrocities across the board every day then we have no business in other countries doings. Women STILL get paid 75 cents to the man dollar.  Hate crimes still go un prosecuted (Rodney King...assulters innocent) And we still have no religous flexibility in public schools (One nation Under God my classmates say it every day) and some states are now kicking around the idea of HAVING to have 10 commandments in schools. We already have One Nation Under God. Maybe not to the point of murder and killing but we are no more fair to all our citizens then Saddam is and war just takes the spotlight off of us. if we do indeed go into Iraq I pray that Bush is committing political suicide.