About the CQB Mod...

[BTs_Nova]

1st:
i havent posted yet here....
i just found this topic here, when i saw the link in the bts forums......

why dont u guys just copy/past ure posts, instead of writing them twice?!?
or use only one forum

2nd:

    Speaking of Mauti, over on the BTs forum, Nova said that *DAMN might be supporting the CQB mod in an official league, or possibly he meant that they'll be hosting the file. Sorry about the ambiguity; my Stupid-to-English dictionary isn't helping me much on this one.

     I hope to see Mauti's assurance that *DAMN is not expressing support for mainman's mod.

here is a quotation from mautis league news, where BTs_ was announced as winner:

"Unfortunaly the RS ladder died this season due inactivness but may our BL changes for season 5 will bring back exciting CQC battles!"

as i already wrote in the bts forum: mauti called it Close Quater Combat instead of mainmans Close Quater Battles

3rd: back to this Nova posted:

i think a lot of ppl are learning by doing.....
and html is a code for everyone....so copy/past wont be so bad.....
as long as its not protected by a copywirte, or u need a license (like 8 is paying for the btl script)

[MainMaN]

Brain... i didnt bother reading ur horse crap.. Just to let you know... i dont know if ur slamming me or "pro mainman". Looks like he foold u.

TY "pro mainman" Nova or who ever u are..

Mr. Loth, mauti will be hosting the mod not league once this crap is sorted.

The other reason why im not going into detail is that this FORUM IS ON THE BTs FORUMS. *DAMN is prob sick of this allrdy.

-mainman.CTs

[|MP|Buccaneer]

yeaaaaaaaah, there are ppl who are supporting him!!!! omg!!! :shocked:

OMG!! :shocked: someone that supports mainman on this but is afraid to let people know who he is!!  :gasp:  Yeah, that's really showing support.

there are some basic files in ghr, like sounds of weapons, and the weapons itselves......
u have no chance to re-write these files, if u havent done this before....
and even if u re-write them....u will have to type mostly the same stuff again, in order to get the weapon, as it should be.....

Funny, Loth managed to rewrite all those files.  I can understand why a moron would find that too difficult a challenge, but don't pretend it can't be done, because it was.  

And mainman could have used the GhR files, and not all the MP Mod files, but he chose to use all the MP files.

And he lied about taking all the MP Mod files out.  

As for your analogy to the html, there's a big difference.  If you were to say, copy the BTs site, and just change the background colors and put a different clan name on it, it's not learning, it's stealing.  That's basically what the little punk did with that mod, took files from other mods, other peoples work, and slapped them into his and put his name on it.  

He sure didn't seem to learn anything (especially if he can't tell that all the guns were modified.)  And it's not like he tried to make it right, he never asked which files needed to be removed, he just claimed he did it, and expected people to believe him.

[jewb]

Brain... i didnt bother reading ur horse crap..

i didn't know you could read...
wait that was mean, i shouldn't make fun of handicapped people like that.

Anyhow I'm not surprised to see mainman didn't know he needed to take the mp files out. The kid can barely write a sentence, let alone make a kit for ghost recon with no one holding his little hand.

If you take all the files out of the CQB mod (the latest version) that are raped from the MP mod, you'll notice that the mod doesn't work... funny how that wouldn't happen if they are just there as an example.

Anyhow I'm sure you'd have no problems with MP switching to the exact same site as the BTs one, (with mp pasted ontop of bts), because thats the same thing mainman did to us. Needless to say I'm not happy with a few people about because of their actions....
but good-luck in the future  

[jewb]

Brain... i didnt bother reading ur horse crap..

i didn't know you could read...
wait that was mean, i shouldn't make fun of handicapped people like that.

Anyhow I'm not surprised to see mainman didn't know he needed to take the mp files out. The kid can barely write a sentence, let alone make a kit for ghost recon with no one holding his little hand.

If you take all the files out of the CQB mod (the latest version) that are raped from the MP mod, you'll notice that the mod doesn't work... funny how that wouldn't happen if they are just there as an example.

Anyhow I'm sure you'd have no problems with MP switching to the exact same site as the BTs one, (with mp pasted ontop of bts), because thats the same thing mainman did to us. Needless to say I'm not happy with a few people  because of their actions....
but good-luck in the future  

[Fusion]

This is a file included with the 1.2b release:


Notes regarding |MP|Mod by Mr. Loth.

CQB Mod was made from the MP mod originally. From the mod i learned how ghost recon mods work and a better understanding. When i released the 1.1 version of the mod i didn't ask the consent of Mr. Loth since the mod was not gota be Battled with and it was a beta to start out with. This is my formal apology to Mr. Loth, not any other MP member or fan, for using his mod. I didn't know all this crap would happen because of this old version of the mod. Since the mod is practically gone and 1.2 is in i still feel regret  on my shoulders. I will not sink down to jebs, nor buccs level. Ive tryed my hardest removing some of the |MP| Mod files but some may exist. And if they do.. i would like you to know they are not active neither will i give my self credit for that. If you notice i decided not to add my name under the ModsCont.txt. Keep in mind i was not the only one making this mod. And i say thanks to:

* X1|Xavier
* Grantbo
* Kanundro
* SiXshooter
* Fusion
* Smokie
* Gen Xy. (Ur still a gen) =)
*Hopefully i remembered everyone, but if i didn't.. Thanks for helping

Hopefully this will clear this up so more clans may support our mod. I didnt make this mod 2 piss people off...

-mainman

g_b_mainman@softhome.net

[BTs_ST u RM]

For the record, I was one of the early, and enthusiastic beta-testers and supporters of the |MP| MOD.  All hail SquirrelMaster-ST u RM!!!!!!

      BTs_ST uRM  

[MainMaN]

Jewb ur slams Fit ur age fine so keep them coming..


Fusion and i just testing the mod with the nessary mp files out just like i asked and it did work fine.. we found some gun mis matches which were easy fixed. I have no clue where u get all the BS. Wait didnt i just type a sentace?? OMG i did.

"The kid can barely write a sentence" Your right man, next time ill get my self a coke before i do another...

[Brain]

i'd like to point out to pro mainman  that even though the individual tags in  html are not copyrighted, the way they are put together to from a webpage is.  the same way i cant copy right the letter e but i can copyright  a book that i write that is a specific combination of those letters.

as bucc said, those files can be rewritten by hand.  loth didn't have a mod to steal from when he made the mp mod


sorry, bucc and jewb left me pretty slim pickings for a rebuttle

oh yes, and just a shout out to storm that the squirrel leetness is remembered and respected. in reply though
PH34R TEH CHICKEN!

[S.p.i.d.e.r.]

What's the arguement in this?

Someone stole data, that person was caught, the person in particular, did not comply with the creator's specifications, the thief should be banned and removed from anyone who does not want to be involved in such childish idiocy.

If this "Battletek" league supports mainman and his descisions, they will be looked down on by those who actually like to have fun and play legitimately.

There is no arguement. No Justification. No matter what you say, either you're supporting data theft, or stole the data itself.

Why are you doing this, mainman?

[Fusion]

I am working with mainman along with the other people listed above, to remove MP files.

It has been stated that all the files with the MP Mod were created by Loth. Well after looking into this mod, Loth may have renamed them and modified some of them but he didnt create alot of them from scratch.

Examples:

File name                          Created                   Modified
mp_demolitions-12.kit       4/30/02                  4/30/02
mp_demolitions-13.kit       4/30/02                  4/30/02

All that Loth did was rename them so you guys need to becareful what you say about MP creating the files from scratch.

I know MP did alot of work and so is mainman and his crew(including me) to get the CQB mod out, without MP files!

[MainMaN]

Stolen? Why am i doing this? Cause over 100 people say different

Me and fusion are re-modling the mod and adding for 2.0 when the league starts.

"There is no arguement. No Justification. No matter what you say, either you're supporting data theft, or stole the data itself"

Yes their is. It matters everything?

Who the hell u trying 2 fool?

[S.p.i.d.e.r.]

Then simply state what and why it matters, instead of being the child you're appearing to be after every post you make.

As for loth renaming files, that is necessary, I doubt that you will ever get this CQB mod off the ground (legitimately), that is, if you stop checking here and arguing over your nonexistant points. You're never giving any answers, no truth, but you prefer to be the little prick that you are becoming in my mind (and in the minds of a few others as well).

State a reason, answer the question, I am not the one who stole over 800 files in data, I, am not the one being questioned. You are the one who did this, don't question me about this , espicially in your bastardized form of English.

"who ar u tryin to fool"

Fix your caps lock key and get a spellchecker.

[Fusion]

Ok heres an Update.

I went through the 2.0 Beta with mainman. And we removed all files we thought were created/modified by MP. It looks great and I do not think MP guys will have any issues with this one. It will be posted tomorrow night.

[S.p.i.d.e.r.]

I hope you are right, I really do.

[bronto]

Wait didnt i just type a sentace?? OMG i did.

Well, actually it doesn't really count when your 'sentances' are all typos...then it's just a bunch of crap...i'm pretty sure it would still be crap if anyone could understand what you were trying to say. Also, i don't know what the deal is with these BTS guys but it seems that mainman is either tricking them or they're idiots too (that was my second guess).

Oh, and funny story i made this graphic (http://www.hostultra.com/~bronto/ak.gif you have to paste it in browser, or else pron) a while ago and posted it, just making a suggestion for AK (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=40;start=msg48794#msg48794) and not much longer the BTS site came out, with a striking resemblance to my graphic, so it seems that they are familiar with this 'borrowing' (copying) thing. Not that i mind, im flattered. But nonetheless, it's not cool to be unoriginal.

[Fusion]

Also, i don't know what the deal is with these BTS guys but it seems that mainman is either tricking them or they're idiots too (that was my second guess).

Wow thanks for your intelligent and well founded opinion of me.  

Oh, and funny story i made this graphic (http://www.hostultra.com/~bronto/ak.gif you have to paste it in browser, or else pron) a while ago and posted it, just making a suggestion for AK (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=40;start=msg48794#msg48794) and not much longer the BTS site came out, with a striking resemblance to my graphic, so it seems that they are familiar with this 'borrowing' (copying) thing. Not that i mind, im flattered. But nonetheless, it's not cool to be unoriginal.

All i get is a porn site "WHEN I COPY AND PASTE LINK" so i cant really see what you are talking about.

So as of yet I still don't understand why you posted here *NADS bronto, except to talk down at people to try and elevate yourself.

As for the mod, I had a conversation with Loth last-night and I am almost positive we got all the MP files out , but if there are some still there I am confident that Loth, or his Mod Squad will let us know  

I believe all will be well with the 2.0 Version of the CQB mod.

Thank you Loth and company for working with me to help remove your files. And please take mainmans apology seriously, he truly has been working with me to remove your files. And thank your for your nice mod work it helped me learn how modes work. I think you should write some how-to's to help others make mods, if you would like to help give back to the GhR community.

P.S. You should get to know me before you place well rounded, well though opinions about me. So drop by the Bar and Grill sometime to meet me. I sure I will show you how much of an idiot I am.

[just wondering]

I think ANY stolen work is a bannable offence and any group that endourses such things need to be removed from any legitimate things that they might have been doing.

May he who never stole intellectual property cast the first stone!

You have any downloaded mp3 from P2P, ever made a mix tape for one of your friend, copied a movie you rented so you could show it to you friends, downloaded a movie from the internet or captured a DVD audio stream...

Then according to your own rule, you should be banned from society and music stores.

the guy didnt make money with this nor did he prevented anyone from making some by copying them, you do prevent people from making money (artists, not label) when you copy music or movies (or books for that mater).


anyways my 2?

[another thing]

Wow I am still reading trough the whole thing and GOD, these are the same people who will spit on and bash the riaa or metalica for trying to protect their stuff, do you even realize you are destructing your own arguments for stealing mp3 here. But I guess that when somebody's living depend on the sale of his intellectual property its not as bad if you steal him...

Get over it and live by your own code of conduct, integrity is a great value...

[another again]

To answer your question, yes you are a thief (the proper term for it).? You took something, in whole or in part that was not your work you then modified it, however there were still fragments of the original code left intact (you said you copy/pasted).?  Once you claimed that the result was your work you committed a copyright violation.?  Even if there is one line of original code left in your work, you must still GIVE THE ORIGINAL AUTHOR CREDIT!?  
Had we been talking about a paper, what you have done would be called plagiarism.? You're in school now aren't you mainman?? Then I'm pretty sure you know damn well you need to properly cite all your sources in a paper.? The same goes for websites and mods.? Cite your sources or you are no better than a common thief.

I studied copyrights in school and you are wrong, what you are saying is true for certain type of works but HTML is different in the sense that it was concieved to be opened, you actually cannot copyright anything HTML, its part of the standard.