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« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2004, 09:29:24 am »

     Two words: yellow cake.
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« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2004, 05:45:52 pm »


Show me a single document that the Republican Party forged in order for us to invade Iraq.  Put up, or shut the fuck up.[/size]

put up ? here it comes.... Forgeries, lies, you name it ! All republican, all about Iraq .

Vice President Cheney
Veterans of Foreign Wars 103 rd National Convention
August 26, 2002

"But we now know that Saddam has resumed his efforts to acquire nuclear weapons. Among other sources, we've gotten this from the firsthand testimony of defectors --including Saddam's own son-in-law, who was subsequently murdered at Saddam's direction. Many of us are convinced that Saddam will acquire nuclear weapons fairly soon.

"Armed with an arsenal of these weapons of terror, and seated atop ten percent of the world's oil reserves, Saddam Hussein could then be expected to seek domination of the entire Middle East, take control of a great portion of the world's energy supplies, directly threaten America's friends throughout the region, and subject the United States or any other nation to nuclear blackmail.

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction."

Secretary Powell
FOX News Sunday Interview with Tony Snow
September 8, 2002

"There is no doubt that he has chemical weapons stocks? With respect to biological weapons, we are confident that he has some stocks of those weapons and he is probably continuing to try to develop more? With respect to nuclear weapons, we are quite confident that he continues to try to pursue the technology that would allow him to develop a nuclear weapon? So there's no question that he has these weapons, but even more importantly, he is striving to do even more, to get even more."

Vice President Cheney
NBC Meet the Press with Tim Russert
September 8, 2002

"What we have seen recently that has raised our level of concern to the current state of unrest, if you will, if I can put it in those terms, is that he now is trying through his illicit procurement network to acquire the equipment he needs to be able to enrich uranium.

"Specifically aluminum tubes. There's a story in the New York Times this morning --this is --and I want to attribute it to the Times. I don't want to talk about obviously specific intelligence sources. But it is now public that in fact he has been seeking to acquire, and we have been able to intercept and prevent him from acquiring through this particular channel, the kinds of tubes that are necessary to build a centrifuge. And the centrifuge is required to take low-grade uranium and enhance it into highly-enriched uranium, which is what you have to have in order to build a bomb. This is a technology he was working on back say before the Gulf War.

"And one of the reasons it's of concern to him is we know about a particular shipment --we have intercepted that --we don't know what else, what other avenues he may be taking out there, what he may have already acquired? So we have to deal with these bits and pieces and try to put them together into a mosaic to understand what's going on. But we do know with absolute certainty that he is using his procurement system to acquire the equipment he needs in order to enrich uranium to build a nuclear weapon."

National Security Advisor Rice
The New Republic (June 30, 2003)
September 8, 2002

"There will always be some uncertainty about how quickly [Saddam] can acquire nuclear weapons. But we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."

Secretary Rumsfeld
The New Republic (June 30, 2003)
September 8, 2002


"Imagine a September eleventh with weapons of mass destruction. It's not three thousand ? it's tens of thousands of innocent men, women and children."

President Bush
United Nations General Assembly, New York
September 12, 2002

"U. N. inspectors believe Iraq has produced two to four times the amount of biological agents it declared, and has failed to account for more than three metric tons of material that could be used to produce biological weapons. Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.

"United Nations' inspections also revealed that Iraq likely maintains stockpiles of VX, mustard and other chemical agents, and that the regime is rebuilding and expanding facilities capable of producing chemical weapons.

"And in 1995, after four years of deception, Iraq finally admitted it had a crash nuclear weapons program prior to the Gulf War. We know now, were it not for that war, the regime in Iraq would likely have possessed a nuclear weapon no later than 1993.

"Today, Iraq continues to withhold important information about its nuclear program --weapons design, procurement logs, experiment data, an accounting of nuclear materials and documentation of foreign assistance. Iraq employs capable nuclear scientists and technicians. It retains physical infrastructure needed to build a nuclear weapon. Iraq has made several attempts to buy high-strength aluminum tubes used to enrich uranium for a nuclear weapon. Should Iraq acquire fissile material, it would be able to build a nuclear weapon within a year. And Iraq's state-controlled media has reported numerous meetings between Saddam Hussein and his nuclear scientists, leaving little doubt about his continued appetite for these weapons.

"Iraq also possesses a force of Scud-type missiles with ranges beyond the 150 kilometers permitted by the U. N. Work at testing and production facilities shows that Iraq is building more long-range missiles that it can inflict mass death throughout the region?

"We know that Saddam Hussein pursued weapons of mass murder even when inspectors were in his country. Are we to assume that he stopped when they left?"

A Decade of Deception and Defiance White House Fact Sheet
September 12, 2002
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« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2004, 07:13:05 pm »

Are you fucking stupid?  I said show me a single DOCUMENT that the Republican Party forged, and you show me interviews?  Dude, you need to go get a grasp of the English language because you just made yourself look like the biggest moron on the planet.  We were going by information and intelligence sources outside of this country.  We sure didn't forge documents to make our case for that war.[/size]
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« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2004, 09:03:20 pm »

     Knowing that the intelligence is bad and publicly supporting it to make the case for war is just as much a lie as forging the original documents yourself--it just provides better finger-pointing security when the lie is discovered.
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« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2004, 09:49:09 pm »

    Knowing that the intelligence is bad and publicly supporting it to make the case for war is just as much a lie as forging the original documents yourself--it just provides better finger-pointing security when the lie is discovered.

Oh, now we KNEW the intelligence was bad?  Give it a rest people.  Nobody goes to war KNOWING there is no reason to go to war.  We had intelligence from Russia, Great Britain, Israel, and numerous other countries, including the United Nations itself, that said our intel was good.  So now all those countries were lying to us and we KNEW it?  I call Bullshit on you Loth.[/size]
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« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2004, 12:10:43 am »

Ghostsniper might be a good idea to take the earplugs out your ears and open your eyes. Knowing what is going on in the world is a lot easier that way.

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Nobody goes to war KNOWING there is no reason to go to war.
Oh my god. Nobody said that there wasn't a reason to go to war. Just had it not occured to you in the little world of GS that the reason might not be becuase suddenly there was this amazing threat that Iraq could launch WMDs on the world in 45minutes and that iraq was a threat to world peace ect.

Oh yes one great element was that it was because Iraq had broken UN Resolutions... hmm of course that dosn't count for Israel now does it. talk about double standards.

??THe UN did not say that the intell was "good"
? Are you honesly telling me you did not know what has been going on over here about the algeged fact that the goverment "sexed up" the inteligence reports? - Yes it seems that we did know that hte intelligence was bad. As for the US intelligence serices having intelligence, well thats just an oxymoron. - satalite images of a couple of lorrys is not intelligence.

Care to explain the quotes that bobby posted? Not documents no but Politicians... talking bullshit

You call bullshit? You talk bullshit
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« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2004, 01:49:45 am »

Here's a good article about the War, called "Baghdad year Zero". http://harpers.org/
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« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2004, 09:22:29 pm »

I go away for a few days and we're back to why the Republican's lied about the dangers in Iraq.

Sheez.  Shouldn't we just forget about Iraq and all the misleading the Republican party has done about it?

As for the pathes of the storms -- any one have the actually paths? If the image I have is dubious, where can I get the real paths?
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