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« Reply #520 on: June 21, 2003, 05:03:16 am »

Just finished up the best M16 plain jane I have ever done. The texture is 14.5mb Grin I am also finishing up an M4 Commando (same 14 mb size) Grin and of course I will finish the M203 tomorrow. Also I have a real cool M16 shorty I think you will like it.
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« Reply #521 on: June 21, 2003, 05:23:28 am »

hmmmm 14 megs huh? I feel a 2048x1024 model coming on  Grin. That should drive coco crazy, not that I would ever want to do that  Wink
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« Reply #522 on: June 21, 2003, 05:39:11 am »

I want to see that one! Grin

Mac that SPR looks awesome!
Is there going to be an SD version?
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« Reply #523 on: June 21, 2003, 05:58:32 am »

Thanks, I worked hard on it. about a hour on piecing the textures and 40 minutes building and texturing the model. I liked it. As for as the sd is concerned, maybe. It would be easy to add, and probably needed.
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« Reply #524 on: June 21, 2003, 03:38:30 pm »

! Mac, that's perfect! I think your the first in the GR community with an in game SPR! can we 2 versions? (with and w/o camo).

might just be me, but it looks like the position of the model needs to be lowered a bit.
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« Reply #525 on: June 21, 2003, 04:54:44 pm »

Yeah, thats a easy fix in max. Glad ya like it. IF the camo scheme from Whisper comes through, it will be very nice.
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« Reply #526 on: June 21, 2003, 07:20:58 pm »

if the camo gonna look anything like this: media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/M4_Carbine/c_spr04.jpg I'll be happy Wink

while i'm being picky, how about an anpeq laser aiming thing on the side?
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« Reply #527 on: June 21, 2003, 08:04:06 pm »

That is exactly what we are going for. I will see about the laser.
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« Reply #528 on: June 21, 2003, 08:52:17 pm »

Mac that is f-in awesome!!! I just love the look of the SPR, I kinda like the A2 stock better but that only a personal preference I guess. Thanks for extending the buttstock.   Grin And I swear I've only seen the 20rnd mags used with it. Maybe JMH can shed some light on the subject.

Cobra, I can't wait to see what you've done. The details just gotta be unbelievable judging from the size of the textures. I hate being a pain but could you extend the stock as well. I think it looks a million times better and is more realistic.

Thanks for all the hard work you guys have done. I really hope that beta drops soon.   Cool
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« Reply #529 on: June 21, 2003, 08:59:13 pm »

Extending the stock is a piece of cake. All I need is for Mac to tell what size he wants it and then I can add it.
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« Reply #530 on: June 21, 2003, 09:02:50 pm »

Im not sure about the mag. My theory is this, if it will take 20, it will take 30. Which would you carry in battle? I know the extra weight and that argument, but realistically I would prefer the extra 10 rds.
Im sure it makes a world of diff, I was really amazed how much weight the rail, red dot scope, and bipod added to my ar-15.
My son is in Tekrit or whatever the name of the town is (saddam's hometown) and doing well. Hes carrying 4 30 rd mags, not counting one in the gun obviously. Says the weapon does get heavy, but likes having the extra ammo  Grin. He needs more in my opinion.
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« Reply #531 on: June 21, 2003, 09:04:48 pm »

Thanks, I worked hard on it. about a hour on piecing the textures and 40 minutes building and texturing the model. I liked it. As for as the sd is concerned, maybe. It would be easy to add, and probably needed.
Actually orge, I do have a m16 already made that is 2048x1024  Grin
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« Reply #532 on: June 21, 2003, 09:10:54 pm »

Cobra - Thanks man. You guys are great.  Wink


Mac - I'm just saying that every pic I can think of that features operators in the field with that SPR all had the 20 rnd mags in the weapon. ogre said he's seen otherwise. I'd really like to see the pic so I'm proven wrong. I just want this to be perfect so other annoying people like me don't bitch and moan.
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« Reply #533 on: June 21, 2003, 09:23:19 pm »

It is not one of my habits to post in a public forum, but I will answer your question as best as I can, Suicide_Commando. Firstly, I posted the official Department of Defence concerning the Special Purpose Receiver used by United-States Army SOCOM :

Special Purpose Receiver (SPR) for the M16/M4-series rifles and carbines

Notice Date : 4/1/2002

Description : This announcement is for the re-initiation of an earlier project that was delayed due to urgent support of current hostilities. This announcement constitutes a Commercial Agency Announcement (CAA) and a synopsis of an upcoming solicitation. This CAA cancels and replaces SOL N00164-01-R-0103. This CAA is advisory only, alerting industry to the government's plans to publish a Request for Commercial Offerings (RCO) solicitation, and summarizing the future RCO for industry information.

The Navy is issuing this CAA on behalf of the U.S. Special Operations Command (USSOCOM) Special Operation Peculiar Modification (SOPMOD) Program and other federal agencies. A solicitation will be published on or about 19 April 2002 that seeks to award IDIQ contracts to vendor(s) who can provide accessory parts and assemblies for performance improvements to the M16/M4-series rifles/carbines.

Specifically required are Special Purpose Receivers (SPRs) for both short and long range precision fire, with improved MILSPEC 1913 rail interfaces, as well as related improved weapons parts and assemblies. These improvements may be Non-Developmental Items (NDI), Commercial Off-The-Shelf (COTS), or NDI/COTs that can be rapidly developed into suitable items for U.S. Special Operations and Law Enforcement.

Background : Special Operations Forces (SOF) operates around the world in extreme conditions including underwater, surf-zone, desert, arctic, jungle, and urban environments. They subject their weapons and equipment to extremely high usage rates and stresses. Due to the manner in which SOF utilizes its equipment, normal military specifications are in many cases not stringent enough to support SOF use. Although the currently fielded M16-series Rifles and M4A1 Carbines meet military performance specifications, these weapons have exhibited performance characteristics that do not meet SOF requirements when subjected to the extreme operational conditions imposed upon them by SOF operators.

General, Objective 1 (SPR Rail Interface) : Sources are sought for new SOPMOD rail interface designs. The SOPMOD program is not seeking alternate sources for the currently fielded SOPMOD Rail Interface System (RIS, NSN 1005-01-416-1089), rather is seeking alternative Forearm rail subsystems with improved operational performance characteristics :

(A) Rail Positions : As with the current SOPMOD RIS, MILSPEC 1913 rails are still required in the 12:00, 3:00, 6:00, and 9:00 positions on the rifle/carbine forearm. As an objective, the SPR 12:00 rail will be continuous and unbroken from the rear of the upper receiver to the forward gas assembly to permit rigid mechanical alignment of eye-axis aiming accessories.

(B) Forward Compatibility With Future EGLM : A rigid or monolithic interface method is desired that will allow a future EGLM to be mounted in the 6:00 position, while

(1) Withstanding the shock of firing all currently fielded 40mm Low Velocity rounds,
(2) Maintaining zero repeatability of the EGLM when removed and remounted,
(3) Allow the EGLM to be mounted as closely to the rifle/carbine barrel as possible without interfering with host weapon barrel harmonics during firing.

General, Objective 2 (SPR Performance) : To ensure system balance, also sought are rifle/carbine parts, components, subassemblies, or modifications that enhance reliability, endurance, safety, and operational performance as compared to the current M16/M4 series rifles/carbines. The Government is not seeking alternative sources of current parts for the current M16-series/M4A1 carbines, rather is seeking alternative parts and subassemblies that significantly increase weapon reliability and performance.

(A) Parts And Subassemblies :

These improvements, listed in priority order of government interest, may include new and improved

(1) Magazines,
(2) Bolt assemblies/bolt carrier groups,
(3) Barrels,
(4) Upper receivers and upper receiver groups,
(5) Trigger, sear, and hammer sets, (6) ambidextrous weapon controls,
(7) Flip-up/spring-up front and rear iron sights,
(Cool Front and rear pistol grips,
(9) Buttstocks, and
(10) Bipods any other components of, or mechanical accessories to, the M16-series/M4A1 carbines, with the exception of the lower receiver.

The government wishes to avoid modifications to the lower receiver.

(B) Versions : The SPR, should be optimized for

(1) Precision fire operations, and
(2) A capability to adapt weapon to mission needs with barrel lengths appropriate to the operational mode.

The barrel lengths are nominally 9 to 11.5 inches for close quarters battle and 16 to 18 inches for precision fire. All versions must fit M16/M4 series lower receivers. Parts commonality between the two versions is a secondary goal.

(C) Other Performance Goals :

(1) Increased reliability, durability, corrosion resistance, ease of cleaning, lubricity/reduced friction; fully functional for a minimum of 15,000 rounds (Threshold)/30,000 rounds (Objective), performing up to the standards and firing rates to be published in the Solicitation, functional reliability exceeding that of the standard M4A1 carbine at high and low temperature extremes as well as other hostile (sand/dust/dirt/mud/surf) environmental conditions

(2) Improved safety- delay cook-off, fail-safe features, fires/functions safely and without delay of draining in the Over-The-Beach (surf zone, weapon flooded with water) environment.

(3) User Acceptance: operational suitability, increased live-fire hit scores, decreased live-fire engagement times, speed/accuracy of engagement, controllability in semi-automatic and full automatic fire, improved handling qualities, light weight, snag free in movement through vegetation and battlefield obstacles.

Now concerning the magazine question, the answer is quite simple. Currently, the civilian clone of the SPR, which is now quite popular, use regular twenty-rounds magazines and pre-ban thirty-rounds magazines. Yet, the military version, can use the issued thirty-rounds magazines and the now rare twenty-rounds magazines. Hope that is what you wanted to know...
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« Reply #534 on: June 21, 2003, 09:33:05 pm »

Yes, that clarifies the matter completely. I just thought there was something more to it, as I've said the only pics I've seen feature the older 20 rnd mags which is odd. Like Mac said I too would want a 30 rnd in the gun as, if I were in the field, my very life might depend on the extra 10 in the gun.

Soo I now fully relent my opinion, and have thus been doubly enlightened.
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« Reply #535 on: June 21, 2003, 10:21:34 pm »

Cobra - Thanks man. You guys are great.  Wink


Mac - I'm just saying that every pic I can think of that features operators in the field with that SPR all had the 20 rnd mags in the weapon. ogre said he's seen otherwise. I'd really like to see the pic so I'm proven wrong. I just want this to be perfect so other annoying people like me don't bitch and moan.

I know what your saying SC. Dont worry SC I listen to your bitches and moans becuase I know you. Other frequent forum goers as well, anyone else, I usually ignore  Grin
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« Reply #536 on: June 21, 2003, 10:37:29 pm »


I know what your saying SC. Dont worry SC I listen to your bitches and moans becuase I know you. Other frequent forum goers as well, anyone else, I usually ignore  Grin

lmao, that's why I love you guys.     Grin

I really can't wait to see Whisper's camo texture on it. I remember I posted a pic of an SPR too way back in the day thinking it was a MK11 Mod 0. It's gonna be great.    Roll Eyes
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« Reply #537 on: June 21, 2003, 11:51:33 pm »

lol, well in that case i should be doubly greatful to you Mac for not ignoring my posts.

Thanks Mac! Smiley
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« Reply #538 on: June 22, 2003, 12:50:19 am »

 Grin just clownin around as usual
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« Reply #539 on: June 22, 2003, 01:03:44 am »

lol, good one JTF.    Grin
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