From the prespective of dr, this discussion includes any member of dr quite a lot. Quite a good case could be made that core doesn't deserve the icons, and that dr is next in line. I'm not making that case, just pointing it out.

Frizbee,
the discussion i mention was started up by a group of ppl that didnt even include you.
Sry for not thinking of you all the time, when i write stuff here.
Interesting language and mood you got there, btw.