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I say, honerably retire all the clans, and start form zero again.

There should be trades and draft picks..lol

But serious, if everyone retired, and then started from scratch again. That would be kind of fun and competitive.

Just a thought.
Desta

It might actually be pretty cool, however, never will happen.

i think i'd love it, too bad there would always be people not wanting to or messing it up for their own sick reasons.

that would be a very cool idea, then every clan will have at least one very good player.

However, the bl would probably break down into 2v2 or 3v3 involving the very best players on a team. The rest would just ride the clan name to the top.

Brain,

Isnt that what happens anyways?

bio

that would be cool but what about the players choice? u cant force a player to play for a certain clan.

Exactly, you can't force a player to do it, and I really don't think that it would work at all. I also think that a lot of the top players would retire, I know that if I got drafted into one of the worst clans, I would consider it.

Well, we could do that and have schedules and such, but we feel there shouldn't be that much control.  The players choose the clans, the clans choose who and when to battle.  To set all these controls would make it less fun.

I think it would be neat but like I said it wouldn't be as fun as you think.

Yes, perhaps it would be interesting to split everyone up, then agagin, I think that it would mess the whole thing up, clans would have players they don't like, etc. It wouldn't work.

Heh Dest. ?There's a food for thought. ?Being that all we do is act like this:
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I guess if you were ever to do something like that, it would have to be done at the end of the season with NO OLD CLANS allowed back and have everyone have to start over. ?But if we did that, it would defeat the purpose of a lot of clans that had planned to be around forever. ?Hell, a lot of clans were formed in 2002/late 2001, so a lot of the clans are new anyway! |?K|*R?p1d?*(http://www.fubarclan.org/fubar/forum/images/smiles/2ar15.gif)

Yes, and some clans were formed in June of 2000 ;).

I don't specifically think that having players on one clan that dislike each other is unbarable.  Assuming they care more about making themselves look good they would accept the team and play.  But still, I don't think that is direction we should be looking.

If you tried to do such a thing, you would run into many snafus...

Who would lead the clans?
How could you force someone to stay with a certain clan?
Can you trade players?
What happens when someone isnt chosen, can he pick his own clan?
Who decides on who goes to what clan?

This idea in general will never work.

yea could u imagine rebel, lothario and rapid drafted into the same clan? that wouldnt last so long.

Yeah, and Grifter, Ultimo, and I were in the same clan for MoH despite past issues.  That concern is minor but Sin brings up more serious concerns with the fact that putting it together has many technical difficulties, not just personality difficulties.

Well, I think that we all know that it would never work, Still, some parts of it sound kinda fun. Loth, Rebel and Rapid, Lol! - Rapid, I will refrain from making a really mean joke.

(http://www.fubarclan.org/fubar/forum/images/smiles/cussing.gif)Now why did you go deleting my post! ?

Is this what I can expect from you as a moderator aSs?

(Obvious it's you by the way you replied in the other post about my smileys and being that I had some sweet smiley for this post, doesn't surprise me one bit you deleted it to be a dick.) ? ? Rapid(http://www.fubarclan.org/fubar/forum/images/smiles/mgwhore.gif)Assassin

I deleted your post because it was spam...I deleted 3 posts in a row from this thread - yours, Typhy's, and I think SK's because they were all spam.

Rapid, if you protest against me deleting spam, you can go fuck yourself.

And for saying that to Rapid when it was totaly uncalled for, you can go fuck yourself too Sin. I don't care if you delete my posts from time to time, if you think that it's spam, than as a moderator, it's your job to delete it, however, telling Rapid that he can go fuck himself was totaly uncalled for. Rapid, come on, Please! Limit your smileys to 3 per post, or at least 1 per word!

    Why not institute a second, rigidly controlled ladder, one complete with all the accoutrements of a league such as trades and drafting and scheduled battles? All the players who wanted to participate would be (for the purposes of this league) stripped of their clan affiliations and placed into a pool. The league clans would be formed from that pool.

    This idea for implementation is just off the cuff and likely has many flaws. Regardless, the point is that it's possible to have the best of both worlds: the fun-oriented, spontaneous current BL; and the planned, structured, dynamic second league.

Loth, no matter how you try and do it, it wouldn't work:  Take for example the MaG ladder, a ladder involving schedualed battles, only 2 battles were done, the same is true with the 1v1 tornament, it would be hard enough just to have that, and to have people not be able to pick their clan? It just wouldn't work at all.

    Hmm. Unfortunately, you're probably right, Typhy. So, is there any feasible way to implement the rest of the league-like features without scheduling battles?

    I really think this has a lot of potential. Mixing the clans up could really create a lot more mutual respect than currently exists. Not to mention that it would just be interesting and fun.

here is an idea.  Why not make completly new clans for  the new league, and allow the players to stay in their old clans as well? Then you don't do anything to the  current battle league, and then you dont have an issue with 'sucky clans' because each clan is new and should have aproximately the same amount of skill.

You dont have to schedule battles either. Just say, This clan has to battle these 5 other clans before the season ends.

That sounds like a terrific idea!

 I'm sure new clans that are having trouble and want new and better players would like this but good clans don't want to lose there players and get bad ones that they may not like and therefore this would never happen.  Maybe a clan should have a certain amount of skill or something.  Someway to show that they belong in this ladder.  Maybe a new clan ladder  and clans that prove themselves should be able to join the real ladder.  This would make the real ladder more competetive and have better clans.  This wouldn't let the best clans just beat down on bad clans either because they wouldn't be in the ladder.

Well, I guess what you are saying is a bit like the English soccer leagues, you have your premiership and your first division.  At the end of a season the top teams from the first division move to the premiership and the worst teams of the premiership drop to the first division.  But I don't really think a change is necessary.

Yes, what Bondo says is correct, I also agree that it's not nesscesary. Players have clans that they are very loyal to, and friends in those clans, if you split up the friends, they will get back together, and in doing so, would mess up the whole system. No matter how you figure it, it always has to many flaws, all that it would take is one person not liking the clan that they're in, breaking off, and then others would follow, that idea, would last for at best a week.

    I guess I didn't phrase my post very well, since it seems that my point was missed. My idea was as Brain stated: a second league with teams which bear no relation to the players' normal clans. I'm not suggesting that current clans should be broken asunder or anything. Rather, any players participating in the team league would be placed into teams with no regard to their clan affiliation.

    I just think it would be a very interesting experience, to be part of a team in a league as well as being part of a clan.

Dest...I think its a good idea...It may have its down sides but at least people will have who they want in their clans...Of course everything could go to hell because there's a whole lot of bickering going on in gr...that would f*ck things up pretty bad...Plus we wouldn't have a lot of help from Rapid as he would be trying to undermine everyone to get to the top....
btw rapid...i think you should show assassin some respect....He owns you ;D

DAMN STRAIGHT Pyrex.

This league would be a fun idea, but wouldnt work for the reasons that I listed in a previous post.

I think that we're all in agreement twards this: It's a fun idea, however, it would never work. Perhaps someone should lock this thread, the topic is pretty much over, and it will just turn into another spamming thread, if you want to deal with the spamming troubles, make sure to lock threads before the spamming starts, as soon as the topic is over, everyone has said their opinion, and everything is quiet, go ahead and lock it.

Hmm...is it me or is typhy working at becoming a moderator...HMMMMMMM

Yeah, I think he is. We should all give him a chance. But if you ask me, he's not going be the greatest of them. ;)

Here's a novel idea. Let's just TRY it
Do it as a second league next season. If it fails miserably, junk it. But,  it might just catch on.
If we scrap the idea now we wont know, will we?

Hell people said we would never go to the moon, but after kennedy commited us to it, we did it.

There is no down side to trying out a second 'league ladder'. It wont destroy the current clan structure, and it might even give us suggestions on how to better run the current system.

This idea has promise. We all like it. But, so far all we have done is find problems with the idea. If you realy liked the idea, you would be finding solutions.
All i'm asking is that you put your brains where your mouths are, and actualy try and back this idea, instaid of just paying lip service to it.

    Hear, hear, Brain. A trial would be excellent. As has been noted, it would not disrupt the normal BL ladder, so even if the experiment failed miserably, no harm would have been done to anyone's bragging rights. This could be a truly excellent way to add a little spice to the same ol', same ol'. I say that we give it a shot.

If Seperate i guess why not.

Trying to become a moderator huh? Not really, I am just stating what the moderators should do and how I would handle it if I was a moderator, actually, I do moderator work at 2 boards: The Ambrosia board, by brother and I, and then of course the |?K| board. - Now, back to the subject, I don't understand what you mean by "Giving it a try", Personaly, for myself, I am against trying it, you say that it wouldn't mess up any clans etc, my opinion regarding that is would mess them up a little, not all of their members might return etc. Perhaps if we did a trial starting at the beginning of the next battle league where all the players could sign up if they wanted to be picked, it's like signing up for the draft, and then they could try it for a while, personaly, for me, I need my |?K|, we've been together for a long time, I am ban from GameRanger, and they know that I am a very inportant player, so they will take their time to come onto the Messangers and talk to me, very few clans would have players willing to come onto YIM, help me set up battles, and the battle with me, battling with a ban person is a lot of work, if the server crashes or somthing like that, it takes a while to set everything back up again, my guys know the rutine, etc. For some people though, they might love a chance like that, just for a fresh start, it could be very fun, probaly make 10 person clans, so start 3 clans if 30 people sign up, so on and so forth. It could be very fun, we would have to make sure that the leaders of each clan are people who get along well with most people, and who will not mess up their end of things. I think that it would be interesting to try, not with everyone though, so, perhaps next Battle League, at the start for however long it lasts.

-Typhy

What I mean by giving it a try is that on the next season we create the new league with the new rules and  completely new clans.
Then, before the next season begins, all players who would want to participate in this trial would sign up, via forum thread.  Then the best players are given command of one of the newly formed clans and we have a draft. (For the first season, we could also do random selection.)

Each clan would have to battle each other clan two or three times(or whatever we decide) before the season ended and there would be some penalty for each required cb not completed(a loss assessed to each team perhaps?)

Key points to note that in this trial(and possibly in the final version if this idea takes off) is that each member is still a full member in their respective clan, so typhy would still be in ak as well as clan {KiA} (just a random name i made up).  I would still retain full membership in <FiRE> and could still be in clan {KiA} as well.
Also, none of these victorys/defeats would count toward the 'regular' battle league.

I hope that that cleared some things up typhy.  If any one has any other questions just post them and we'll try to hash out a solution.  (I think what I just described was what everyone else had in mind, correct me if you had something different.)

Other possible suggestions(for this league, or the new one):
Pitched battles: You grab everyone from the 2 clans who is online at that moment and have an 8v6 or a 5v4 or something like that (of course both clans have to agree)

Well, I hardly have any time to play these days, let alone if I was assigned a clan. ?Me and my clan play at our own freedom and we work on tactics and strategies in regular games, along with CB's, to learn from and improve on. ?To team up with a whole different group of people, and have to work on these strategies(which I don't even care to share with anyone that's not in my clan) and have to perfect them with them, can only lead me to believe they will bite me in the ass later when these fools use them against me and my clan!(http://www.spacespider.btinternet.co.uk/emo/rolleyes05.gif) ?I guess you can say that all we have to do is simply not share our |?K| tactics, but then you'll have those thinking that's not what being part of a clan is. ?You see, this involves a lot more than you think and a lot of that is a bit contradictory to how many play this game. ?Also, I would never want to be teamed up with some of the idiots that have talked shit on me. ?You know who you are!(http://www.spacespider.btinternet.co.uk/emo/nono.gif)

rapid, nobody suggested that you HAVE to join the trial.
also why do you have to share all of your tatics?

ths is a totally extra curricular activity out side the current battle league, and i dont  find your objections to be a reasonable argument against the trial.
hell, If you wanted to you could show up, keep  your mouth shut and play.

Okay, we've got no problem with that League, I won't be a part of it, but, I hope that you all enjoy it. My objection though, is that with Bondo's idea of stoping the normal Battle League for a month, that would effect everyone, GameRanger, Rogue Spear, the Battle League etc, is based around fun, and playing with a group of players who you like, under a competitives enviornment, this isn't the NFL, or a Pro sports league. I think that if a bunch of you want to go set up a thing like that, it's fine, however, envolving people who don't want to be involved isn't right. I was a suporter of this idea at first, then came the ideas that it would effect people like myself, who don't want to be a part of it. Just my thoughts.

-Typhy

    When did Bondo put forth that idea? Not in this thread, not that I can see. I think you're mistaken, Typhy.

    Participation would have to be voluntary, of course. No one is suggesting that the BL be scrapped in favor of this, or that all clans be forcibly dismembered. I shall emphasize this point, as it seems to be missed or glossed over. This would be an extracurricular league, to test skill and have fun in a different manner than the current BL. No participation would be forced. The BL would not spontaneously combust. Calm down, everyone.

    Yes, there are technical challenges to overcome in the implementation. We've got a collection of able thinkers here, so let's work on those problems and resolve them as well as possible.

    Yes, there may be personal problems. To that I say, if you will refuse to play with certain people, simply do not sign up. There are people whom I have had arguments with in the past, Rapid most noticably. Past arguments are past, and I would have no problem with being on a team with Rapid. For me, no problem. For others, perhaps a problem. So again, simply don't sign up. Besides which, since we're talking about a team sport here, there will be trades. If there's someone your team can't work with, make a trade.

    On the subject of trading, I think it would add a touch of strategy to the International RS League (the IRSL, heh). If your team lacks, e.g., good snipers, you need to trade for them. If nothing else, it's certainly an idea which is out of the ordinary for us. : )

    As far as making the "best players" the team captains, as Brain suggested, I don't particularly like that idea. I think that a better system would be to simply have open nominations and secret ballots to determine the captains. People who have some positive experience leading clans would be the natural choices, methinks. Being a captain would be a management job, after all, and I bet that quite a few people don't particularly want that responsibility.

Lothario, refer to the other topic about it, started Brain; "Want to try this". I asumed that you had read that.

    ::nod:: Sorry about that. I read the other thread after posting in this thread, and then collapsed into bed, too tired to modify the post in this thread. I should have known better to think that you were imagining things. : )

No problem at all.