*DAMN R6 Forum

what the hell is this? It said it would be released at MWNY so where is it?  What is going on!

Ive been waiting for some1 else to take notice....WTF IS GOING ON?!

Beats me. I never even heard of it.

ok, behind the spam here, there is a legitamate question, what is Game Smith and why wasnt it released. I can't help on the second question, but I think that I can help clear up the first.

from what I understood, Game Smith was supposed to be a similar product to Game Ranger with a key difference namely that it was integrated into the game(as a library if memory serves). This gives Game Smith several advantages: less memory over head, less problems with one of the 2 programs hogging all the bandwith, the game designers can sustomize the interface, ect.

And that is all I know about it. I hope that helped clear things up.

I really don't think that GameSmith will ever come out, I think that he planed to get it out to early, and now he is in over his head, my guess is that he will just drop it, but we'll see.

This gamesmith, does anyone have a url to check out so I can read up on it???

www.gamesmith.biz

Is it MacOS 10.x only?

 Ok well I emailed support today asking if there was a release date and what was going on.  It seems to be only for os X but I asked that also in the email.

No, it works in OS9, but perhapes they've had to delay,maybe X.2 has some change that they have to modify the programing, or maybe something about the cross-platform got messed up.

I was reading ont he freeverse site news and it said that it was relased in preview stage at MWNY. Ill quote for you:

"GameSmith Preview Release 1, the seemless cross platform community and game-matching service brought to you by Freeverse and IFD.com, in association with MacGamer.com is available now. With a beautiful, OS X optimized interface, server side ranking, and utilizing the latest Apple Technology, GameSmith is one of the biggest things to happen to Mac Gaming in 2002."

So I don't understand where it is...

 Then where can we download it!

 Ok guys I emailed them.  


Infection- Hey, what happened to gamesmith coming out at macworld this summer?  Is a release still planned. ?Also is gamesmith only for mac osX and will it cost money to have? ?It looks really cool and could you just tell me when it's coming out.

Gamesmith-It did happen, it was just overshadowed. Also, we found that everyone
(developer wise anyway) wants a seperate browser app (ala GameSpy and
GameRanger) instead of building the browser in (our first design).

Anyway, GS will not cost money to have. We hope to have the standalone
app out in 6 weeks.

So six weeks guys.

cool.
I wonder if evil sees this one comming?

Like I said in the gamescouter thread, It would be nice if there was some competion to make both of these apps better.

if you read the development notes on the gamesmith site, they say that it's accessed only through the games.  they said they could then set up advertising by publisher, so the user is seeing ad's by that game's publisher while using gamesmith.  

so, i suspect that there is a new game out there with gamesmith functionality.  also, there is a new link on their site to see the preview, but it was giving me a connection error.

Hah. I'd love to see the look on Scott's face when that happens.

as i read through grifts mail and notes on macclans, i saw that both he and a few others (who i wont name, since they didn't want it getting out from grifter) knew about this quite a while ago.  so it would shock me if kevill didn't.  things like this don't stay secret within the development community for long.

the question is, why do you think it would bother evill?  since we haven't seen it yet.  it's not like banned people or may others have ever gone over to mag, which has always been an option.  if his product is better, people will still use it.

yes, this is true, but what if GS is better than gr(less lag less bans, ect.) then ppl will leave GR and force evill to make his product better.

i couldn't care less which game service someone uses, as long as there are 2 competion will (hopefully) drive both to be better.

if gs is better then gr, then it is better, and we, the consumer are better off for it.  but until something actually effects the number of users on gr, that would, in turn, effect the business that evill is doing, i don't see why he should be pissed about it.

as for the lag or bans.  the only lag i've ever seen on gr was the early tests of gr3.  and bans, all i have to say about those is i hear or read about a few of the same people getting banned.  and from what i've read, they have all deserved it from evill's point of view.  honestly, how many people here have actually had a perma ban or other long term ban?  4 or 5 out of the hundreds of members to this board.  how many of those didn't deserve it?  there are things that evill could do better (there are things that everyone can do better).  like posting more news on the web site, and keeping the server up more (not a big problem, but was in the past).  and these are things that good competition could bring about.  

but for as much bitching as so many people do about evill and gr, none of you are using mag, which has been around for years.  you aren't paying for gr, you aren't helping gr, and gr obviously isn't pissing most of you off enough to use other game services.  so why do so many of you bitch so much about it?

i've only talked to evill once, and that was when grifter passed away.  some of you said he's rude or an ass, but i've been on gr for 20 months or so, and never talked to the guy until two weeks ago.  and then it was for him to just say a few kind words about grifter.  so if you don't like talking to him, don't.  seems pretty easy to avoid from my point of view.

Yeah, I knew about Game Smith a longtime ago...the guys working on it asked me to help them test some stuff and give them suggestions on it (*wonders if they used any of them*). Anyway, if GameSmith comes out as planned, look for GameRanger to die out if Kevill doesnt clean up his act.

Deadeye: On Evill...most people were pissed at him (Grift and I included) because of his double standards in terms of banning and answering questions. Evill and his cronies would site the ToS when banning people often (when it related to them) and then when we would site the ToS (say someone is impersonating us) he and his cronies would ignore us or tell us to shut up. Hell, one time that prick banned ME for trying to get someone to change his/her name.

Also, as Grifter pointed out numerous times previously on the forums, whenever you tried to ask him a question, he would try to blow you off. GR3 (OSX GR) was "announced" for about a year before he even gave us a glance at it. It would say on the release "check back for more updates coming soon" yet in nearly a year, nothing would get posted. So Grifter and I would sometimes ask him about it and get ridiculed by Evill and his brown-nosers.

Anyway, in conclusion, yes it is easy to stay away from Evill. That is why I moved the PsYcO's into the rooms away from the Construct (namely B&G) and soon the rest of the RS community followed. (SWAT was already previously in the cubical)

Well it appears that this GameSmith will also be used for Windows...which means that if this online community is activated...(im assuming chat/game hosting/etc...the conveniences of gr) we will be interfaced with pc users...OH MY...expect some humongous conflicts of interest...PLUS...this will definetly cut out all the hackers out there with pirated games as it requires a specific game id provided by the PAYED for software....OH and don't forget the ADS...gr doesn't have annoying ads...but this gamesmith will have them integrated...so that when you sign on..you'll be attacked by ads ranging from "increasing your penis size" to "YOU"VE JUST WON ONE MILLION DOLLARS".........I'm sticking with GR no matter how fucked up evill is or how the program runs....

assassin, i read what grifter wrote.  he basically said that evill was rude to him when he asked a question, and his chief complaint was the lack of info on the web site (both in regards to osx and outages).  but he wrote that those were no reason to hate the guy the way people seem to.

pyrex, gameranger has ads at the top of the page.  what have you been smoking?  how do you know what ad's will be on gamesmith, or how many?  do you know something we don't, or are you just reacting?  

unless one service is head and shoulders above the other, i'll probably use both in the future.  i know that i'll hate the pc v mac wars on gamesmith, but if i can't find a good game on gr, then i'd probably look on gs next.

Well Deadeye if you read the description sheet for gamesmith you'd see that advertisers will be able to throw ads in to gamesmiths service....GR does have ads but only for games....Gamesmith service doesn't specify but I'm assuming that when they say advertisers that means anyone who wants a piece of the action.....so that means an uncontrollable explosion of annoying, pointless ads...

That is fine Pyrex, but you made the hasty and retarded decision of labeling it attacking pop-ups. For all you know, the ads might be placed exactly like Gameranger.

Also, the Mac vs PC thing isnt at all like Mac users make it seem. Odds are that most PC players will stick with the GameSpy's, the Zone's, and the ubi.com's like they do now. Also, I forgot to mention that most PC players dont give a flying fuck about Mac users...only Mac users make it seem like there is a giant battle brewing.

I suppose you're right assassin...pc users really don't give a fuck about us cause they think the Microsoft empire is god. I'm hoping that Gamesmith won't be a place of useless bickering like Gameranger has grown accustomed to...If anything it might be a nice peaceful place for mac and pc users to play each other

 Yea guys the pc users really don't give a flying fuck about us.  As much as I would like this to be a big competetion between us, also possibly set up a pc-mac tounament it isn't really a big thing to them.  They aren't going to just delete Gamespy and get Gamesmith to be with us, just like I'm not going to do that with Gameranger.  Some of my pc friends said they will get both as I'm sure almost all of these mac users will.  But a lot more pc users don't give a shit and wouldn't ever get gamesmith.  Ofcourse there are a lot more of them so there will still be a good amount of them anyway.  Hopefully this will work out though, the pc users don't really dislike us or want to have something to do with us.  They are much more happy just playing regular rogue spear and not even using UO to ip join our games.  So I think it is in our heads, we don't like pc users because they have bad comps but they don't mind us.  I'm sure they wouldn't mind play a pc-mac tourny, which would be much more easier with Gamesmith.  Hopefully Gamesmith will turn out popular.  

yes infection i have a pc and i will not be just giving up gamepsy but i will use gamesmith* too. i plan to spam gamesmith though........ and as infection said in pc world more ppl play regular rogue spear (about 300 on at a time) rather than uo (30 ppl on at a time) so i dont think there r many pc ppl to convert to gamesmith in the first place unless they come from the original rs.

Yes assassin the ads just might be placed nice and tidy as gameranger but my assumption is well placed....look at everything that's been free on the internet...its riddled with ads (ie. angelfire, 150m, etc.)...you can't escape it....

You see, this is all great news. ?Thanks to GameSmith and it's basic idea of letting PC and MAC gamers meet together and join games, it opens the gate for something like "GameTime?" that supports all present programs used by both PC and MAC users. ?(BTW, I just made GameTime? up for this example ;) ) ?GameTime? will support GameRanger, Zone and all different Applications like it and will convert it to one universal chat where gamers from all areas come and meet and play. ?(Look at it like a bigger GameRanger, and the diff "rooms" are all the different applications (http://www.spacespider.btinternet.co.uk/emo/idea.gif)) ?Now wouldn't that be a nifty idea, if not already in the making... ;)

What's also cool, is that you still would have the freedom of simply running the other application by itself(Like hanging out in one room only, like us |?K|'s do in the Bar & Grill since we first entered our first BL in January 2002 :) )

You mean like how you and other clans followed PsYcO into the B&G. Rather funny, but true.

Back on topic: This will likely fail due to patches and what not needed for games. I bet PC and Mac users will still be split apart and cant play in each other's games. Only a few games like RS:UO have identical patches that allow cross platform combat.

And don't forget....with the large influx of noobs into the B&G....the original settlers bmr were run out....partly because of the constant bitching that goes on there >:(

Damn Negative People... ?It will happen just because you're so anti it. ?Technology is surpasing barriers that we thought would take years to conquer, so don't doubt the power of the Creative Mind... ? ? ? ?-Rapid- ?

aSs, we choosed to move to the Bar & Grill for the name and to get away from the Construct's nonsense. ?Main Lobby sounded boring. ?Apple Cubical sounded lame. ?Land of the Lost sounded like just that. ? And Bar & Grill sounded like the place we would hang out in real life. ?Drinking Beers(http://www.spacespider.btinternet.co.uk/emo/beer3.gif) ?It was a coincidence that you guys happen to be hanging out there. ?Hell, I even approached you with a compliment to your clan and gave you props on how organized and cool the players were in hope for a start of a cool relationship. ?In return I got the same bad attitude I get today from you. ?The, "I was there first, and you're a noob, and you're a follower, I own you." <Laughing as I say this> and all this BS crap that your mind unwinds. ?You are way too negative and carry a bad attitude to anybody "new" and act like your too good and that's what's funny here. ?Your "too good to be a positive irie person that socializes with others and helps our time here be more pleasant and productive" attitude is what kills all good that PsYcO might have been. ?At least I haven't lost any respect for Sploosh or Silvio or CoffinDancer or BadBoy(Currently an |?K|) or Sniper. ?I look up to how good they carried themselves and let their game do the talking. ?I look at you the complete opposite, as does a lot of people. ?You got a lot to learn... ?

I have been original at everything I do since day one and simply when I get interested in something, I go out of my way to learn all about it and do anything I can to contribute and get involved. ?I guess when you got an ego as big as yours, you just can't see no one come up and sit next to you at what you call "your view on status". ? Your discriminatory attitude you gave me when you first met me, rather than just been cool and accepted my compliments, is what reflects on the poor character you gotta carry in real life. ?That is more of a punishment than anything(http://www.spacespider.btinternet.co.uk/emo/lol07.gif)

Remember that everything that is "Funny and True" is being viewed by your one mind vision. ?(Yes, others do think on their own aSs, not follow you and your bad attitude(http://www.spacespider.btinternet.co.uk/emo/eek03.gif))

psh I don't know how many of you guys have played on The Zone or Gamespy but i have and they all suck huge balls.  I have DSL on my PC and i get 100-150s on Gamespy and Zone,  i think more people will switch across cause those services suck ass.  I think MAC and PC won't get along at all and we will all bitch about which is better and there will be a mac side and a pc side, remember we are dealing with PC users.  
-moo

Rapid, they (including me) are not being Negative at all - what they've said is exactly right, there will be version conflicts etc. the way you might find if you tried to play RS against PC, and the mod conversion thing apparently isn't right due to the PC updates too.



Now... You really should watch what you say, "Apple Cubical Sounded Lame. Land of the Lost sounded like just that", after all... some decent clans do hang out in there, no matter what game they play. (Come Challenge ifB in the Land of the Lost to a game of MoH:AA sometime soon.)


Before ?K, I was in there in my Hornet Squadron, CMAG11 (Closed down soon after I left)... PsYcO was in there... I think we got pretty pissed when PsYcO kept talking over the top of us(Sorry aSsAsSiN (back then I went by a different name), now I realise GR isn't exactly there to.... lets say sit and watch whats going on

Slowly drifting off topic here again...

If they can get GameSmith to work... to release it soon... Scott Kevill would have competition, I am not sure he would allow people to use both... he has apparently used those tactics before... and most people (including myself) would choose GR over the new thing. Going to go look at the URL to argue a bit more on topic.... ;)
Was Scott at the MWNY this time 'round? Didn't try to 'eliminate' competition ;) [j/k]

jt.

Yeah, that was our little pit stop before we went to the B&G. (Damn flyboys  ;))

Ummmmm.... personally i dont give a crap as long as i can play (ownage is implied) then i am happy. Why mess with the tried and true method???