*DAMN R6 Forum

15 pages on the front of the Times.  Just one little detail, yet so indicative of an entire administration.  Still not convinced that the justification for war was forced?

http://nytimes.com/2004/10/03/international/middleeast/03tube.html?hp

Can someone post it up?

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he means he is too lazy to register for the nyt.

Hilarious GS.  The New York Times is one of the most well-respected news sources available.  Their editorial pages tend left-wards, but the reporting is most assuredly "fair and balanced."

I suppose you consider the Washington Times and USA Today to be less shitty?

Ghostsniper did it ever every cross your tiny little mind that it might not actually be the rest of the entire world that has got it wrong... and that maybe, just maybe it might be you?

Ghostsniper, your friends hardly constitute a fair sample of the US military presence in Iraq.  Unless you have a few thousand friends at least, you're not talking a statistically significant chunk of the ~150,000 troops.  As friends of yours, they likely share your biases ideology.

Plus, it is in the best interest of a soldier abroad to portray his morale as high, unless he's trying to get sent home.  Yet there have been many factual reports of those already out of Iraq (and thus with no incentive to lie) describing their experience negatively.  The media has interviewed both groups of people.

Your roster of news agencies that are out there was a list of some of the top well-respected, non-biased sources in the world.  They have flaws of course, but they're about as good as it gets.  And if you actually read the article I started this thread for, you'd see a very objective consideration of many independent sources.

And CBS did make a mistake, which they acknowledged.  But the reason the memos were seen as credible is that they confirmed data about Bush's guard service that is widely believed true.  Do you honestly think he fulfilled his military obligations honestly?

GS, very convinent of you to ignore all respected sources and instead focus on personal sources who cannot be confirmed or verified, thus forcing us to take you at your word (or think you are full of shit.)

Basically, this article seems to be saying that the administration did have an active hand in lying about the inteligence by removing qualifiers and grasping the unlikely views of a few that fit their ideology and ignoring the more likely views of many that didn't. I'll try to get through more of it but this is my complaint with the NYT...they go on so long and sometimes don't really get to the point. I want to know where this article is going so I have some idea what all the support is building towards.

Lol i can't do anything more these days but laugh at your posts. no offence but it just gets to the point where its nothing but comical.

You seem to be of the inpression that because you were in the army for some given time (yes im sure you will post a great bit list of what you did, where, when, how many halo jumps you did, what active duty you did etc etc) that you have some amazing insight into the issues of the world that there is no way anyone who hasn't been in the military could ever concieve.

But of course, you are the divine all knowing one, the rest of the world is just unenlightend and stupid arn't we. You are the pure defence of the true American way of life, you are a real american man who likes guns and big cars, and you who knows whats right and what is wrong. And right now it appears you are right and everyone else is allways wrong.

Those damn bastards in the liberal media have done it again.....sonofabitch
Ghostsniper, you are completely nuts. I'm not just saying that in reference to this thread....just in general. In fact, you are so crazy that I am starting to suspect that it is all just an act, that in fact you are a completely sane person with an EXCELLENT sense of humor. You're such a caricature, that if its not a joke, it is extremely scary.

Ghostsniper what would be the point in me saying anything? If i could write it coherently most of the guys here seem to tend to agree on the whole with me... but what ever it is you will disregard as "left wing bullshit". Whats the point? I mean you seem determind to help fuck the world up - starting with making sure you get Bush back into power. You seem to support racism and you appear to be homophobic. You seem to have little regard for human life other than for yourself and those in your country - which is ironic given that your President is allowing heavy industry to quite litterally gas your fellow americans with highly dangerouse levels of arsenic, sulpher, carbon monoxide and dioxide to name a few.

What is the point in arguing or debating points with someone who will ignore them? Whatever we right you will ignore if it cannot fit into your narrow minded view of the world.

If a brick wall could be racist homophobic and a christian fundamentalist then i wouldn't see any difference.

So allowing gays so fuck eachothers assholes must also be a sin, right? Do you go around preventing men from engaging in anal sex with eachother? Just curious....
And sorry, but just because your homophobia is religously based doesnt make it any better.....you should absorb some of the nice things the bible preaches like tolerance and etc. rather than picking out the parts about gays.
As for the brick wall thing...GS you are the biggest hypocrite ever. Whenever anyone formulates a thoughtful response to your BS, you ignore and engage in some mindless dribble instead. You've done this to all of the more intelligent people on this forum when they try to discuss your religio-nationalist politics with you on this forum, so you should just go and grab a cup of STFU.

15 pages, i'll get a ban if i do that.

The NY times is accusing the Bush administration of knowing as soon as 2001 that the aluminum tubes were not intended to be used for nuclear purpose. The  newspaper says its sources comes from the current administration.

A tiny mind with a 180 IQ? Count me in.

You regard IQ tests to be a accurate method of understanding an individuals intelligence?  

Right, a IQ of 180? ... right feel free to post up a scan of the  Summery of the IQ Test

180 IQ, damn you must be smarter than Einstein, which is clearly the case. God damn the liberal media, liberal corporations, liberal universities, liberal hollywood, liberal fast food joints, liberal grocery stores and those god awful liberal big oil execs. Please cleanse me of my liberal brainwashing! Help!

Yeah, but who said that those with the higher IQ's in society asked for them?

Shit if I had a 180 IQ, I'd be sleeping instead of studying right now.

Anyway, I didn't mean to go off topic here. :D

Actually, Einstein never took an IQ test, but depending on your source it was estimated at 180 to 200.

There is absolutely no way you have an 180 IQ.  You simply don't write well enough and you have not demonstrated any analytical ability whatsoever.

Furthermore, anyone who feels the need to post test scores unprompted has issues of hubris.

IQ really means nothing except you are good with their tests.  I know autistic kids who could pwn any genious in almost every subject...except for being absolutely normal.

So throw testing out the door and step up to the plate with actions.

The Bible is homophobic, you believe in the Bible...thus you are homophobic. Just admit it. At least come out and say you believe being homophobic is right. Of course then I'll just tell you you are wrong, homophobic, and buying into a book full of worthless shit, but at least you'll be honest with yourself.

BTW, GS, I've said it before and I'll say it again, your millitary service does not substitute for logic in debate. Continually trumping your service as if it makes your points more accurate just won't work.

As to the IQ debate...there are a few kinds of IQ, I wouldn't be surprised if GS could excel in one of them. When I took an IQ test (WISC-III) there was basically a theoretical and a practical element. I think GS would likely be strong in the practical part meaning he can do things well. But from his posts he seems weak on the theoretical part, the logical/analytic reasoning. Rather the opposite of me where I'm great with the theoretical stuff but less strong at applying it.

IQ testing takes into account your verbal skills.  There are autistic people who are very talented in specific areas; they would score well but not phenomenally.  I've seen your attempts at logical argument on this board and I've seen your writing - and I can say with confidence that you are very unlikely to have scored so highly on a valid IQ test.

Mea culpa.  But you still act like it matters.

necessarily.

And you devoted that post to how many times you had to take it because you scored so high.  Since I don't believe that to be true, it rings as arrogant.  Saying  "well, I got this really good score...blah blah....but it's not really important" doesn't portray any sense of you thinking it doesn't actually matter.

I only felt the need to type it out when I saw what BFG said. It's all BFG! Pull out the tar and feathers boys!

I must say GS, you know how to throw gas on a fire.  Have you even been labled hot headed?

Yes.  But no more so than other members of the famed BattleTek Squad who shall remain nameless.  ;)

Ok thanks for clearing that up.  Though I'm still pretty certain that whether it matters or not, you're not a genius  :D

1.No offence but i don't for a minute believe you have ever recorded a score of 180 on a bonified IQ test, whether it is a good measuer of intelligence or not (i believe not, hell ive done 4 of them as part of Educational Pysch Reports - they work in very precise and limited ways, they can never be an accurate and total record of a persons intelligence - hell just the color of your skin and your first language affects the score on some versions)

... Oh and by the way Einstein's IQ has been placed at only 161 by most references, just incase you were interested...

oh and If it "Dosnt' fucking matter" why did you go on about it? seems a bit odd. Thats like me saying that Politics dosn't matter to me, or that i don't care if Dubbya wins the election.

2. Racist because you appear to support Racist Organisations and Charitys - Take Paul Revere Society for example. Becasue i get the disticnt inpression that as far as your concern Americans matter more than eveyrone else - take Iraqi lives or palestinian lives for example.

3. Homophobic. Oh come on are you seriously trying to suggest that your not homophobic? You seek to follow the bible letter for letter, tell us that it is un natural and wrong etc etc and then say your not homophobic? Righto.

4. Hmm i wont say much other than Bristish and World Comody has a lot to thank  people like you GhostSniper for: you have provided us with a constant topic of comedy. - And its a great moral booster. We look at our governments etc and then at Bush and his supporters, and suddenly life seems much better here.

I said you were small minded - all i can go on is your posts on these forums, funny thing is apart from crypt nobody seems to disagree with me.

BFG, crypt just wants GS's money.

Ah rgr, i was getting some weird sick "father figure" thing going on there.... euw - If its just trying to get money thats fine ;)

Well we don't how well crypts family relations are so no comment.

     Oh... my... god. Hello, Mr. Pot! Have you spoken with Mr. Kettle lately?

     This is the funniest thing I've read in a very long time. Strangely, I'm not sure whether I want to laugh hysterically and not stop, or break things.

Seems there are more people on this forum than BFG that I would like to tar and feather.  I can see that humor and sarcasm are lost on you people.[/size]

     Saying something retarded, then claiming that it's a joke is pretty stupid, GS.

Saying something that is a joke, and then nobody getting it is what is stupid.  But then I often forget that I am on a forum where the average age of the members is half of my age.[/size]

Ah hah hah.

This thread = hilarious.

Hmm...so Kerry should be a better president because he's older than Bush, right?

Oh oh oh i had such a good come back but it would just resort to flaming :(

ps... Its a forum, somthing like 95% of communication is done by facial expressions. here there is nothing to portray your emotions other than your ability to write. Had it ever occured to you that its virtually inpossible for people to distinguish between your "sarcasm" and "serious posts"??

This thread should have been locked about 10 posts ago maybe even 20....

Since when are threads locked here for going way off topic?

GS, the ;) smilie comes in handy in conveying a sense of satire, sarcasm, or irony.

I use that damn smilie all the time!  You assholes still don't think I'm joking!!!  ;)