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Dear Clans who are in the finals....

I need to know if you guys want me to shoutcast during the finals. Some clans are cool with it but some clans still dont understand what shoutcasting is. What i need to know is, is everyone going to want to be shoutcasted? The people who arent in the finals defeninately want me to shoutcast but im trying to figure out which ladders i will shoutcast. I need to hear from those in the RvS and GhR ladders. Could someone tell me if you will allow me to cover the finals. Its up to the clans and i just want to know which ones want me to shoutcast them....those who dont reply i guess i wont shoutcast....your loss. Plz reply here.

I'll have a chat with Twist and see if he's alright with it on cO's behalf (I'll then edit this post later)

Frankly, there is nothing wrong with shoutcasting. Everything is delayed 1 min to prevent cheating, other shoutcasting networks have been bringing shoutcasts live for years and they run great. Im wondering what the mac community sees wrong with shoutcasting, but oh well. Those who want the glory can take it.

I like the concept of shoutcasting and think you have done a good job getting it all together, I assume you do this on your own time and on your own dime.

But in order to make it fun for the GhR community I think you might want to bursh up on tour GhR maps so that you can better narrate the action.

Don't think we have any problem with the shoutcasting for the finals - its been fine in the past and as long as lag isn't an issue (like that little 7v7 with *NRG ;) ) then im sure we'll be up for it

I'll confirm with Sab and check back....

The lag in the 7v7 wasnt due to me...no matter what game i join i will get 1 red bar cause im broadcasting, but once people understand how lag works they will see that i dont pose a problem. Here is how hosting and lag works.

A host computer hosts. A person joins the server. The amount of time between that persons computer sending the data and the host recieving it and sending it back is what we call ping. So therefore, the amount of people will determine how quickly a host computer communicates with them because the more people it has to communicate with the longer it will take. So, if u guys are playing u will recieve decent pings while I am communicating with 20 others while i shoutcast and then commmunicate with the host computer it should only slow up my ping, not yours.

I hope that made sense. If i need to clear things up about lag then i will do so. If your clan wants to see if i make a differance plz set up a practice and i will join and you guys can feel how it would be like.

Actually, Latency is the cause of lag.  Too much latency and you'll be skipping like a little girl on halloween.

Yes....and u havent seen it from my angle...its funny....everyone skips everywhere.....but im not causing others lag just myself.

hehe believe me... i was skipping ;)  ... and ice skating... and parachuting... and just about every activity other than my guy using his two feet as normal ;)

Its all cause GR.....one person slows down the entire game....mb if everyone joined by IP insted of GR it wouldnt lag.....

Nice try. ;)

guys with very low pings definitely slow down respectively lag the game in GhR.


quoting from the BL rules: "Only clanbattles set up through GameRanger are counted towards the ladder." GameRanger doesn?t allow IP joining anymore since some updates ago cuz of several important points... -> sry, but IP joining is not allowed in the *DAMN BL. :)[/color]

That is incorrect Civic.  The Rules state that the clanbattle has to be SET UP through GameRanger, not PLAYED through GameRanger.  If that was not the case, then please tell me how anyone would be able to play an America's Army CB???

It is perfectly legal to open up a room in GameRanger to set up a CB, and then go start Ghost Recon or any other game and let everyone IP join.

-GhostSniper Out.

for AA because there is no other possibility, okay i forgot about that... but definitely not for GhR. there are several reasons... one is the GameRanger GhR anti-cheat protection for example.

That is not very clear in the rules.  Also, how do clans that have members who are not Premium use their voice communication software if they can't IP join for a CB?

Also, from the first line of the Battle League Rules:

"Ip joining as well as other platform players are only allowed if both clans agree."

They don't. basically! sorry that sounds really blunt and short but thats basically it as far as i understand the rules *DAMN only accepts games that have been organised and played through GR


- scratch that. i need to go read the rules again!! ;) -

Now go back and look at what I added to my post right before yours.

So, as long as the CB is set up in GameRanger, and both clans agree, then you can start GhR outside of GameRanger and let everyone IP join.

Ditto ;)

We'll have to clarify all this but from :MoD: point of view i see no problems and as long as we make it we lookforward to some shoutcasting! ;)

I like to hear the shoutcastings, put the server on a good host and Ven, turn your quality down a lot. I want to hear the games in the finals that i won't be participating in. Just play smaller finals matches like 4v4 or 5v5.

It could easily be done. Its just gonna take some cooperation. But it can be done.

K guys ive got a quick update. I recently talked with the guys from TSN (www.tsncentral.com) about there shoutcasting server. It seems that they bought a server online to broadcast off of. I would be willing to do this but im going to need some financial help. I have a paypal donation collector on my site (www.macshoutcastingnetwork.tk) that you can donate on because buying this server will not be cheap. Im hoping that with the support of the guys who really want a non laggy shoutcaster :) will toss in some money to help the cause. This would mean people connect to the server and not me making me not lag and making the game not lag. Hope yall can help.

No chance of some sponsorship from someone? (*cough* gamespy *cough*) ? ;)

Why woudl gamespy be intrested in helpin MSN?

Allright i did some price checkin and this is how it will role. I can get a server that is ALWAYS on with teh quality of 128 kb/s for 3 bucks a month. This comes with a bunch of features etc. I also need 40 bucks to buy the new version of Nicecast. Im hoping that some peeps can throw in a lil money to help me out or mb refer me to someone who might be willing to sponsor me? I could also use some money to get a .com account for my site. Ive got a list of things to do and not the $$$ to do them. Hopefully the older guys who hang here can support a vet trying to bring the mac gaming community back to life.

A quick edit. I just realized thats its 3 bucks PER LISTENER per month. So, basically i can down the quality to 48kb/s and have it 1 buck per listener. Overall i think im going to need money for 40 listeners. This means either semi low quality for 40 bucks a month or 120 bucks per month for high quality. As of now i have no money so untill i get some help i wont know which i will be able to purchase.

Yet again another update. I found another site that will allow me to have 30 peeps listening live for 19.95 a month or 50 listeners listenin live for 25.95 a month. This looks like the place id buy from and I hope i can get some donations to help me along.


To support us, head to www.macshoutcastingnetwork.tk and click the paypal button in the top right. Any donation will do wonders for the project. And if people donate quick enough, ill have the server up for finals!

Shoutcasting sounds pretty cool for the followers..... as long as its not LIVE.... because if it were, I could just leave my iTunes running and hear the whole thing while I cb... and so could an opponent. So to transmit with a reasonable delay (1 or > mins.) sounds safe. :P

Yuo wouldnt need a 1 or 2 mins delay.. just a few seconds of delay is enough... Plus a good shoutcaster (from wat I hear on the PC side of things does not give away any exact positions, Jut the postions of where the firefights are going on.

Im actaully good friends with most the TSN shoutcasters. They use a 1-2 min delay and im learning not to give specific positions away, i try to stick with north south east and west as my directions.

Forwarded from another thread:

Okay, since none of you broke-ass-bitches want to donate to this, I'm paying for it.? Now I would just like to say one thing:

Everyone go fuck yourselves.

Thank-you.

-GhostSniper Out.[/size]

Forwarded from another thread:

I bow to GhostSniper. :D

Ghost thats mighty good off you, as we were discussing on our forum, if so many of us weren't pennyless students without a penny to our name we could have rummeged down the back of the sofa for a few pennies but alas. Mighty good of you to pay for it though

wow. how many times can i say pennies in one post!?

Pennies!

ps. i resent the request to have sexual intercourse with myself, however the statment that i am a broke-ass-bitch seems entirely accurate :D

lol.....im still lookin for some constructive criticism.

Making the shoutcast lag 5 mins or more, would almost definately remove any wrongfull use of it. With one minute, ppl who wanted to camp, or needed to guard the warzone, (or similar,) would not be able to feel sure, that it was not being passed on, and acted upon. It needs to be more of a hazzle, than a possible helper, to have a guy outside connected to his/her team over nF, while listening to the shoutcast.

The finals are almost there!! SPEAK UP!! NOW!! Heh.

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That's why you don't camp!

Crypt its GhR....camping is what u do!

Oh rebel, some of us are greatly offended by that statement. Numbers may be few, but a segment of the community believes that camping has no place, even if it means we get shot more often.

Well I don't know if you have never noticed Rebel, but it's a bit tough to rush someone in GhR and hit him (unless you're in close quarters) and with sensors and all it's destined to be a bit slower . . . but not everyone camps.

Guys it was a friendly joke. After shoutcasting some matches i realized that "camping" is important in GhR. Please take no offense in what i said. I also want everyone to know that the server is up! For all shoutcasts the playlist link will be on my site and for those who dont wanna go there it is http://grace.fast-serv.com:9114/listen.pls . Hope to shoutcast finals here soon.

Heheh.. You had the z][t Vs 2RH game.. Yah! -They did NOTHING but camping.
I am extremely offensive in my way of playing, and know it's not "How to play GhR", so I wasn't offended.  ;D
What I meant is, that the games being shoutcasted, should by NO means make players think, that they have to do something different from how they have trained/like_to/usually_do/SHOULD_do. Shoutcasting should have NO effect on the games. AT ALL! -Then it's never gonna come up, that shoutcasting might be bad. Know what I'm say'n?  ;)

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I think the whole idea sounds great as long as it is delayed to prevent unfair advantages by one side or another. Sounds like fun!

Bah I doubt there are any clans out there gay enough to try to do this. I would only wish for a delay of a minute or so.

Well, after a lot of testing myself and Mysterio have figured out a way to shoutcast RvS matches....and stay within the rules. Basically, all the rules from the DBL are applied. It will take 2 shoutcasters to do a RvS match based on the principles of how to do it. Both shoutcasters would go into the match as observers. As we all know "No death cams" BUT at this screen if i decide to join the green team and the other caster joins red, we can see both teams, we would just have to swap off casting. I see this working now that we have a way to do it. Now all i have to do is find a guy ive known for a while to help shoutcast.....